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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:32 PM Apr 2013

Sex Superbug Could Be 'Worse Than AIDS'

Source: CNBC

An antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea—now considered a superbug—has some analysts saying that the bacteria's effects could match those of AIDS.

"This might be a lot worse than AIDS in the short run because the bacteria is more aggressive and will affect more people quickly," said Alan Christianson, a doctor of naturopathic medicine.


"Getting gonorrhea from this strain might put someone into septic shock and death in a matter of days," Christianson said. "This is very dangerous."

SNIP

This gonorrhea strain, HO41, was discovered in Japan two years ago in a 31-year-old female sex worker who had been screened in 2009. The bacteria has since been found in Hawaii, California and Norway.

Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883



Evolution at work. More diseases that we thought we had conquered are back, and meaner than ever. This version of gonorrhea is going to spread like wildfire.
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Sex Superbug Could Be 'Worse Than AIDS' (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 OP
Time to start putting more money into research on bacteriophages. n/t Ian David Apr 2013 #1
Yes, study them more, but I am not long-term optimistic. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #4
Norway?!!! nt kelliekat44 May 2013 #75
Calling Stephen King and Cap'n Tripps ... Myrina Apr 2013 #2
Baby can you dig your man, he's a righteous man... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #36
'septic shock and death in a matter of days' Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #3
In the grand scheme of things, any superbug that kills in a matter of days is... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #5
Seriously. Some things are TOO successful and become victims of their own success. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #11
A female sex worker who had been screened in 2009. SheilaT Apr 2013 #6
That's when she was found with it. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #8
Just what mankind needs, more killer easily transmittable bacteria. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #7
Funny how every time there's a little advance in sexual freedom the media says, "This'll kill ya." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #9
Plenty of sexual freedom in the 70s, and nothing that would kill you. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #34
yes, avocado green and harvest Carolina Apr 2013 #35
I still have one harvest gold appliance Ms. Toad May 2013 #74
It was the golden age of macrame too.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #41
maybe we should quit giving antibiotics to the cow industry nt msongs Apr 2013 #10
Yep. cliffordu Apr 2013 #19
Or simply posses a predicated trust for those with whom we are intimate with. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #23
Thanks for the info! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #12
gonorrhea skin lesions out of control. protect yourself people. Sunlei Apr 2013 #13
meh. sex is overrated flamingdem Apr 2013 #14
Agreed. Throckmorton Apr 2013 #32
It's peaceful to live a life that's not dictated by our little friend. DCKit May 2013 #66
It's true. The hormones are little dictators flamingdem May 2013 #67
You're doing it wrong Blue_Tires May 2013 #61
give us some direction kemosabe flamingdem May 2013 #71
Indeed it is. nt SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #70
We were hearing shit like this all the way back to when I was in Vietnam madokie Apr 2013 #15
I remember that strain. Nasty stuff. alfredo Apr 2013 #16
Yup...it was supposed to be the "clap that killed" jaysunb May 2013 #48
Funny how that works madokie May 2013 #49
Gives a whole new meaning to "dirty fxxking hippies" and "free love"? n/t alp227 May 2013 #52
I'm glad I partaked as much as I did when I was a young free loving hippie madokie May 2013 #54
My empathy to those that may become infected with this bacteria..... Swede Atlanta Apr 2013 #17
"could kill in a matter of days"; "has never killed anyone" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #18
It's waiting for the cello music to become sufficiently creepy before striking cliffordu Apr 2013 #20
Coinfections, other lesions, loss of treatment options and limited resistance (immune suppressed) Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #37
A shortage of critical antibiotics? KamaAina May 2013 #72
No conflict between the two. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #56
Notice the "could kill in days" comes from a naturopath, ie quack muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #59
OK. I didn't notice that it was a "naturopath"... GreenStormCloud May 2013 #62
And if it kills that quickly, won't that limit the spread of the disease? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #73
Unprotected sex with people with questionable sexual histories geek tragedy Apr 2013 #21
Abstinence Only! another_liberal Apr 2013 #22
Gonorrhea isn't the only disease that has become antibiotic resistant. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #24
Too true. another_liberal Apr 2013 #25
Yep. Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #38
They are cheap and widely available. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #40
Well, it now looks like being old and unpopular has an up side. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #26
LOL! Politicalboi Apr 2013 #27
Yup. At least I'm not going to get the Clap of Death. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #28
Not to be confused with "the clapper" - as seen on TV ... agracie May 2013 #53
YOU'RE A PEACH, TVO!!! Skittles Apr 2013 #30
you got that right! shanti Apr 2013 #31
Ha! LOL n/t OneGrassRoot May 2013 #58
lol Little Star May 2013 #64
Okay corporate america, lest get to work figuring out how to make a fortune on this. olddad56 Apr 2013 #29
as long as my hand doesn't get it first, I'm safe corkhead Apr 2013 #33
If it's bacteria... Junkpet Apr 2013 #39
Dying in a couple of days from septicemia is not worse than AIDs? n/t Psephos Apr 2013 #42
Depends how you want to die I suppose... uriel1972 Apr 2013 #44
AIDS isn't the killer it used to be. Psephos Apr 2013 #46
As of now, I'm taking a vow of celibacy. Beacool Apr 2013 #43
I didn't have to take a vow /sigh... nt uriel1972 Apr 2013 #45
Aaahhhhh........... Beacool Apr 2013 #47
Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel... Heh heh agracie May 2013 #55
Never thought I'd say this but... XVI_Eyes May 2013 #50
Thank you Goddess that I am old. WheelWalker May 2013 #51
doctor of naturopathic medicine tabasco May 2013 #57
A quack - see #59 (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #60
If it kills within days, then it's self-limiting. Frank Cannon May 2013 #63
Might kill within days. LisaL May 2013 #76
My apologies to all. I didn't notice the so-called doctor was a naturopath. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #65
From 2 years ago "Kyoto hooker’s nasty case of clap nothing to applaud " FarCenter May 2013 #68
Same story, different source, different doctor. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #69

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
4. Yes, study them more, but I am not long-term optimistic.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013

If we develop widespread use of bacteriophages that will put strong evolutionary pressure on the bacteria to evolve defense against them. We will be back where we started from.

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
3. 'septic shock and death in a matter of days'
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:38 PM
Apr 2013

may seem merciful in comparison to the rest of your life in constant pain, which would be the result of a chronic infection with this organism.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
5. In the grand scheme of things, any superbug that kills in a matter of days is...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:57 PM
Apr 2013

...much better than one that kills in a matter of weeks or months- or years.

Looking to the parasite/host relationship, the quicker the host is killed off, the worse for the parasite.

I'm grateful such a thing is transmitted through sexual contact and not, for instance, through sneezing.

PB

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Seriously. Some things are TOO successful and become victims of their own success.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:32 PM
Apr 2013

Sounds like this bacteria will be exactly that once word gets around..

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
8. That's when she was found with it.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

It has since spread. Many countries have no screening at all. The U.S. has screening only in Nevada (In some counties) because everywhere else prostitution is illegal.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. Plenty of sexual freedom in the 70s, and nothing that would kill you.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:39 PM
Apr 2013

That really was the golden age. Except for fashion. And kitchens.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
35. yes, avocado green and harvest
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

gold appliances, bell bottoms, micro minis, platforms... ah the good ole days.

Ms. Toad

(33,999 posts)
74. I still have one harvest gold appliance
Wed May 1, 2013, 05:35 PM
May 2013

And I plead the 5th on elephant bells and micro minis...little pitchers have big ears, and they occasionally post on DU. Just sayin'

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. Or simply posses a predicated trust for those with whom we are intimate with.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:46 PM
Apr 2013

Or simply posses a predicated trust for those with whom we are intimate with.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
66. It's peaceful to live a life that's not dictated by our little friend.
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:09 AM
May 2013

My last ten years have been the best.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
67. It's true. The hormones are little dictators
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:21 AM
May 2013

and when they go on vacation things get peaceful! No mas rollercoasters

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. We were hearing shit like this all the way back to when I was in Vietnam
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

thats was 40 some odd years ago.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
48. Yup...it was supposed to be the "clap that killed"
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:00 AM
May 2013

Funny thing though, it went away as soon as we left, and from what I can tell, there has been no "die off" from it in Nam since either.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
54. I'm glad I partaked as much as I did when I was a young free loving hippie
Wed May 1, 2013, 01:42 AM
May 2013

cause later in life, now, my part doesn't cooperate at it used too
Not much lead left in my pencil now.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
17. My empathy to those that may become infected with this bacteria.....
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:40 PM
Apr 2013

but it underscores the fact that what was told to us about the HIV virus applies universally.....

(1) Practice safe sex
(2) Know your partner's sexual and medical history

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
18. "could kill in a matter of days"; "has never killed anyone"
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:15 PM
Apr 2013

This is not an article that tells a comprehensible story. What is going to make this bacteria, which has been around for at least 2 years, start killing people in a matter of days?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
37. Coinfections, other lesions, loss of treatment options and limited resistance (immune suppressed)
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

The recommended treatment options for gonorrhea in the US have already dropped since 2010, and now with doxycycline in short supply the recommended treatment is going to be 250 mg of ceftriaxone intramuscularly plus 1 gram azithromycin orally.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6131a3.htm?s_cid=mm6131a3_w

Plus retesting in a week, plus testing and treatment of sexual contacts.

You have to expect that in 2 to 4 years you are going to start seeing resistance against these drugs. Fluoroquinolone and cephalosporin resistance has emerged in the US in the last decade.

Any bacteria that gets into your blood can kill you. Suppose you are one of the people with GERD, and you get gonorrhea of the throat. If you have open lesions in the esophagus, the bacteria can easily infect through that route.

Right now the shortage of doxycycline and the outright inability to get tetracycline has left syphilis treatment for penicillin-resistant treatments in a very problematic arena:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/doxycyclineShortage.htm

Safe sex is looking better and better!!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
72. A shortage of critical antibiotics?
Wed May 1, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013

What's the matter, Big Pharma not raking in a big enough profit margin on them (as with vaccines)?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
56. No conflict between the two.
Wed May 1, 2013, 06:28 AM
May 2013

"Could kill in a matter of days" would refer to untreated. "Has never killed anyone" is because there is still treatment available, but it is limited and requires hospitalization. Back when I was young the treatment of clap was a few pills, or maybe a shot. Now that doesn't work on this strain.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
59. Notice the "could kill in days" comes from a naturopath, ie quack
Wed May 1, 2013, 07:55 AM
May 2013

You are assuming that "there is still treatment available, but it is limited and requires hospitalization". The article doesn't tell us that. It just says the strain is resistant to antibiotics. It doesn't say there's any treatment for it at all.

It would help if it wasn't a quack telling us it could kill in days, because they we could assume they weren't talking rubbish. Now, it can kill, if it does get into the blood:

Untreated gonorrhea causes serious, painful and costly medical conditions in both men and women. In
women, gonorrhea can spread into the uterus or fallopian tubes and cause pelvic inflammatory disease (PID).
PID is a leading cause of infertility and can increase the risk of ectopic pregnancy. In men, gonorrhea may
be complicated by epididymitis, which may also lead to infertility. If left untreated, gonorrhea can also
spread to the blood and cause disseminated gonococcal infection—which can be life threatening, infecting
the joints, the skin, the heart valves and even the brain.

http://www.ncsddc.org/sites/default/files/docs/final_gonorrhea_resistance_emergency_funding_request_4.24.pdf


but it's more useful to hear that from a real doctor, rather than as a quote from a naturopathic quack.

Principles
The Healing Power of Nature (Vis Medicatrix Naturae): Naturopathic medicine recognizes an inherent self-healing process in the person which is ordered and intelligent. Naturopathic physicians act to identify and remove obstacles to healing and recovery, and to facilitate and augment this inherent self-healing process.

http://naturopathic.org/content.asp?contentid=59


Those really aren't the kind of people to talk to about drug-resistant bacteria. They'll encourage the patient "to pursue their personal spiritual development" instead.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
62. OK. I didn't notice that it was a "naturopath"...
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:31 AM
May 2013

...nor did I know what one was. I just saw the word and assumed it was some sort of specialist.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
22. Abstinence Only!
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

The powerful Christian Right will insist on no new STD funding of any kind, except for lavish spending on their pet "Abstinence Only" projects (which have been proven to be ineffective at preventing the spread of disease). The funding so clearly needed to fight this new gonorrhea will not be forthcoming unless and until liberals take back the House of Representatives.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
24. Gonorrhea isn't the only disease that has become antibiotic resistant.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013

TB is back, staph is resistant, E. Coli is becoming a problem, Enterococcus, Staphylococcus, Klebsiella, Acinetobacter, Pseudomonas and Enterobacter are drug resistant.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
25. Too true.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:58 PM
Apr 2013

But most other such diseases can't be prevented by the use of something as cheap and reliable as a rubber. They should be free and available everywhere.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
38. Yep.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:39 PM
Apr 2013

Spending some money on an education campaign to that effect would really pay off.

Yeah, it should be common sense, but the young have very strong hormones and very little common sense.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
40. They are cheap and widely available.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:21 PM
Apr 2013

Just abut all convenience stores carry them, and the price is fairly low. The problem is that men hate them.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
44. Depends how you want to die I suppose...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:14 PM
Apr 2013

But really just because it's bacteria doesn't make it any better or worse than if it was a virus since the antibacterial methods are failing on this one.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
63. If it kills within days, then it's self-limiting.
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:35 AM
May 2013

The problem with HIV was that you could walk around a long time without any symptoms, transmitting it all the while.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
65. My apologies to all. I didn't notice the so-called doctor was a naturopath.
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:45 AM
May 2013

I simply saw the article was by CNBC. I had never heard of a naturopath and when I saw the word I just assumed it was by some sort of specialist.

Still, antibiotic resistant bacteria are becoming a major problem.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
68. From 2 years ago "Kyoto hooker’s nasty case of clap nothing to applaud "
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013
Uh oh. It has just been learned that a female sex worker in Kyoto came down with a nasty new strain of a social disease that appears resistant to conventional treatment.

Nikkan Gendai (July 22) reports that a 31-year-old hooker was found to be harboring the nasty bug, a strain of gonorrhea called HO41, in January 2009.

The woman had sought treatment after noticing a burning sensation in her urethra during urination. She had also begun excreting pus.
...
It is believed the Kyoto sex worker contracted HO41 while receiving oral sex from a customer.

...

While gonorrhea is unlikely to be transmitted by kissing, it can be transmitted by unsafe sex, including fellatio and cunilingus.

Without use of a condom, the chances of catching something unpleasant are said to be about 30 percent. Forewarned is forearmed, the tabloid cautions its readers.


http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2011/07/22/kyoto-hookers-nasty-case-of-clap-nothing-to-applaud/
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