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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:26 PM Apr 2013

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Signs Bill Banning Destruction Of Guns Surrendered At Buyback Events

Source: Associated Press

PHOENIX — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill into law that bars cities and counties from destroying guns turned over to police at community buyback events and instead requiring that they be resold.

The bill signed Monday was supported by Republicans and the National Rifle Association and opposed by Democrats.

Backers in the GOP-controlled Legislature argued that destroying any property turned over to the government is a waste of taxpayer resources.

Democrats argued that destroying the guns keep weapons owners no longer want off the streets.

Read more: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/f09ec71c9441492896d4a1d609bac628/AZ-XGR--Gun-Buybacks

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Signs Bill Banning Destruction Of Guns Surrendered At Buyback Events (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2013 OP
That's real gun worship for ya! nt MrScorpio Apr 2013 #1
Can't kill a gun. Guns kill people. Cha Apr 2013 #7
She's right of course! Turbineguy Apr 2013 #2
Oh FFS Mz Pip Apr 2013 #3
+1 sakabatou Apr 2013 #39
+1 n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #59
Corporations are "people", and ... Plucketeer Apr 2013 #68
Four people to vote out of office ASAP: Brewer, Bachmann, Walker, Gohmert... Tx4obama Apr 2013 #4
The four horse's asses of the apocalypse nt Xipe Totec Apr 2013 #10
This should be a t-shirt Android3.14 Apr 2013 #47
Brewer is term limited. former9thward Apr 2013 #61
How much longer in office? efhmc Apr 2013 #71
Jan. 2015 former9thward Apr 2013 #72
WHAT BULLSHIT! elleng Apr 2013 #5
Buying weapons only to resell them and buy them back again kiranon Apr 2013 #6
Of course, it is designed to kill buy backs. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #14
I'm not sure buy backs were a good idea to begin with... rwsanders Apr 2013 #84
Gun nuts' mastubatory fantasies come true. onehandle Apr 2013 #8
My contempt for this woman knows no bounds. crim son Apr 2013 #9
Maybe Gov. Brewer has a favorite South American rebel group in mind? nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #11
What of the scam perpetrated on the owners who turned them in? They didn't expect this. freshwest Apr 2013 #12
Well as far as the owners are concerned Riftaxe Apr 2013 #30
Why do you disparage them? freshwest Apr 2013 #36
Funny, someone who has spelling mistakes in a post former9thward Apr 2013 #62
Why waste a gun when a gun can still waste people? hay rick Apr 2013 #13
You have to understand ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #15
What a Pro-Life concept. I wonder if they'll extend their beliefs to bullets and bombs next. freshwest Apr 2013 #38
Guns Don't Kill People! Guns are People! Wolf Frankula May 2013 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2013 #16
OR, just move them across state lines and melt them down Coyotl Apr 2013 #34
Lawd, yes. Don't let 'em kidnap those little babies! freshwest Apr 2013 #43
good luck continuing step 3 on the inside. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2013 #40
very simple to enforce . any agency of the state that ... quadrature Apr 2013 #49
That's just ugly! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #17
From a public-safety perspective, there's no difference whether the firearms are destroyed petronius Apr 2013 #18
I'm sure she'd... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #26
Even then....it means less Half-Century Man Apr 2013 #37
Shouldn't their philosophy be, if I pay for the Gun I now own it so I can do anything I want with it MiniMe Apr 2013 #19
What's Wrong With These People? colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #20
They still enjoy the stories about Grandpa killing Indians, Coyotl Apr 2013 #31
the single stupidest fucking thing I've heard in...well, quite a while. pnwest Apr 2013 #21
Well let me honor you with something from AZ that is much stupider grantcart Apr 2013 #64
omg....... and people in other threads dare to give me a hard time when I pnwest Apr 2013 #67
I just moved to Tucson, and quite like it. grantcart Apr 2013 #70
I could not agree more ... I am honeltly thinking of leaving the country. I've had enough. YOHABLO Apr 2013 #73
I used to vacation in AZ every year. Bette Noir Apr 2013 #22
Thats fine! Lets do it her way! Veilex Apr 2013 #23
That's destroyed... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #25
One person's destroyed Veilex Apr 2013 #28
Yeah, but remember... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #29
Then bury them in a pit somewhere... n/t EC Apr 2013 #24
Well then, encase them in carbonite! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #27
They should just build an altar with them. blackspade Apr 2013 #32
Boycott Arizona! Coyotl Apr 2013 #33
a travel boycott will hurt liberal areas more than conservative areas Mosby Apr 2013 #60
I guess you have never been to AZ Coyotl Apr 2013 #63
Your reply didn't address anything I said. nt Mosby Apr 2013 #65
I thought the gun makers wanted to make and sell more guns ErikJ Apr 2013 #41
dumb shit PD Turk Apr 2013 #42
Next up...Governor Brewer gives amnesty to two guns. chelsea0011 Apr 2013 #44
It's hard to believe the "buyback" guns are worth much JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2013 #45
Never know what might turn up PuffedMica Apr 2013 #48
most of the time PD Turk May 2013 #85
my god the gun lovers are bunch of fucking morons. bowens43 Apr 2013 #46
Does the bill dictate the price? If not, sell them unreasonably high. bloomington-lib Apr 2013 #50
Wow, Jan takes crazy to a whole new level. City Lights Apr 2013 #51
She really is nuts, isn't she? Myrina Apr 2013 #52
??? heaven05 Apr 2013 #53
Man offers to destroy guns for free HockeyMom Apr 2013 #54
OMG, the uproar really suggests gun worship AZ Progressive Apr 2013 #79
Little Miz"Second Amendment Solution" strikes again. Paladin Apr 2013 #55
That border state must have a great used junk gun market. Sunlei Apr 2013 #56
why does that scene from Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" where Javaman Apr 2013 #57
This quote caught my eye LannyDeVaney Apr 2013 #58
Easy loophole. "Sell" the guns to a firearms disposal company. mwooldri Apr 2013 #66
USED GUNS for SALE! Git your slightly used guns here! WHy pay for new? benld74 Apr 2013 #69
Seems like even the NRA would be against this. Captain Stern Apr 2013 #74
Shouldn't it be up to the people turning in their guns to decide what they want done with the guns? kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #75
She gives good weather a bad name BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #76
the reason wet.hen88 Apr 2013 #77
"...keep weapons owners no longer want off the streets." Jenoch Apr 2013 #78
buy back fiasco umt9 Apr 2013 #80
Those guns must live so they can kill Botany Apr 2013 #81
Aren't these the same people that want a "Nanny State" Norbert Apr 2013 #82
SICK! SoapBox Apr 2013 #83
Wow I'm shocked..... lupine25 May 2013 #87
And in other news: Every child in Arizona is amply fed, educated, healthy, and loved! VPStoltz May 2013 #88

Mz Pip

(27,432 posts)
3. Oh FFS
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:29 PM
Apr 2013

It's not like there's some huge shortage out there.

I doubt surrendered pets are given asuch of a second chance.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
68. Corporations are "people", and ...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:49 PM
Apr 2013

guns deserve compassion and respect. Damned gunpassionate rethuglicans!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. Four people to vote out of office ASAP: Brewer, Bachmann, Walker, Gohmert...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:33 PM
Apr 2013

there are tons more but those four come to mind first

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
6. Buying weapons only to resell them and buy them back again
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:42 PM
Apr 2013

makes no sense at all. This game is a waste of money not to mention a danger to its citizens. Why buy them back in the first place or is that the intent of the law?

SunSeeker

(51,520 posts)
14. Of course, it is designed to kill buy backs.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:59 PM
Apr 2013

Funny, but the gun worshippers claim those buybacks only result in inoperable junk being bought back. Looks like those buybacks have them quaking in their boots.

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
84. I'm not sure buy backs were a good idea to begin with...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:59 PM
Apr 2013

I'll never forget a front page article of the St. Louis Post Dispatch probably around 91 or 92 announcing that $10,000 had been used to buy back about 1200 weapons of various sorts.
Then on page 11 where the National and International news started... there was an article announcing that the U.S. Department of Commerce had just approved the import of 100,000 hand guns from China.

The whole thing is an insane mess. China is also our 6th biggest customer for military weapons (what type I don't know) while we publically criticize their human rights record.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
8. Gun nuts' mastubatory fantasies come true.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:50 PM
Apr 2013

Hopefully the bill provides them with enough lube to prevent chafing.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
9. My contempt for this woman knows no bounds.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:53 PM
Apr 2013

The people of Arizona have my condolences, those who did not vote for her and those who, in their ignorance did.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. What of the scam perpetrated on the owners who turned them in? They didn't expect this.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

It defeats the entire purpose. But I'm getting used to outrageous things from these Teahadist governors.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
30. Well as far as the owners are concerned
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:20 AM
Apr 2013

we are talking about people to dumb to operate a screwdriver, hacksaw or hammer....

ThoughtCriminal

(14,046 posts)
15. You have to understand
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:07 AM
Apr 2013

Guns are sacred, holy objects in this state. The state legislature has a hard time understanding why guns are not allowed to vote.


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
38. What a Pro-Life concept. I wonder if they'll extend their beliefs to bullets and bombs next.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:55 AM
Apr 2013

Like The Holy Bomb in Planet of the Apes:



ALL HAIL THE BOMB

Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.

I can see all it now...


Wolf Frankula

(3,598 posts)
86. Guns Don't Kill People! Guns are People!
Wed May 1, 2013, 04:06 AM
May 2013

How long before guns have the right to vote, own property, get married? Do you Winslow Teagbagger take this gun to be your lawful wedded wife?

Wolf

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
34. OR, just move them across state lines and melt them down
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:32 AM
Apr 2013

Then they can submit a bill to ban inter-state commerce in guns

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
35. good luck continuing step 3 on the inside.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:36 AM
Apr 2013

All three acts you describe are illegal in their own right.

Also unnecessary. A private owner can destroy his property with near immpunity.

Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #35)

petronius

(26,598 posts)
18. From a public-safety perspective, there's no difference whether the firearms are destroyed
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:19 AM
Apr 2013

or not. The number of guns collected at buybacks is infinitesimal compared to how many exist, so whether they're melted or sold is really irrelevant. The only meaningful benefit of a buyback is the opportunity for a person to remove a gun that they no longer want and perhaps are not able to store safely - that benefit occurs no matter what the ultimate disposition is. And there's certainly something to be said for a city making use of any available resources (i.e., surrendered or confiscated property) in the most efficient way possible.

People who are turning in firearms that they really really want destroyed will still have the option: they can take a hacksaw or a sledgehammer to the firearm, and forgo the gift certificate.

Of course, the donors for these events may really want the firearms destroyed, but I wonder if these donors can run the same sort of event without involving the police at all: collect the guns, and arrange privately to have them melted...

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
26. I'm sure she'd...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:59 AM
Apr 2013

send some goons to arrest them for "dealing" in firearms without a license or some damn thing... and if somebody had an unlicensed machine gun, the operators would get nailed for that.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
37. Even then....it means less
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:51 AM
Apr 2013

I am far from an expert on firearms, but I have a good working knowledge of the mechanical aspects of common firearms. In many photos I have seen in the press (daily, monthly, and internet) of bought back guns on tables, I see damaged, partial, or toy (BB guns) guns. Removing these ...items...from society doesn't impact gun violence one whit. But it does provide visual camouflage for the ineffectiveness of buy back programs. If we want programs to reduce violence I'm all in, I just want truthful effective programs.

MiniMe

(21,709 posts)
19. Shouldn't their philosophy be, if I pay for the Gun I now own it so I can do anything I want with it
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:33 AM
Apr 2013

Of course these guys don't make sense very often

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
20. What's Wrong With These People?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:45 AM
Apr 2013

I don't get it and I never will. Jan Brewer is nutty as a fruitcake.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste and that's what these tea party folks are doing.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
31. They still enjoy the stories about Grandpa killing Indians,
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:28 AM
Apr 2013

and how the West was stolen by guns and genocide.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
21. the single stupidest fucking thing I've heard in...well, quite a while.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:46 AM
Apr 2013

WTF kinda stupid-ass, sneaky, backhanded, money-wasting fucking bullshit is this? It seems like I'm constantly saying this: every day I think these idiots have reached their zenith of childish, churlish, hateful stupidity...and every day they prove me wrong.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
64. Well let me honor you with something from AZ that is much stupider
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

The same people behind this legislation also want to help reduce crime in crime ridden neighborhoods by, wait for it, handing out free shotguns to every single resident of the neighborhood.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/29/us-usa-guns-arizona-idUSBRE92S0II20130329


(Reuters) - A non-profit group plans to hand out free shotguns to residents of Tucson, Arizona in an effort to show that more guns mean less crime.

The Houston, Texas-based Armed Citizens Project has raised about $12,000 or enough to fund about 36 weapons, Shaun McClusky, a Tucson realtor who launched the Tucson effort, told Reuters on Friday.

The group has begun tracking illegal activity in three crime-ridden neighborhoods and will continue to monitor the crime rate after guns are distributed.

"This is about public safety. This is about people protecting themselves," said McClusky, a Republican who unsuccessfully ran for mayor in the city's last election.



Now you have to admit this takes stupid to a whole new level.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
67. omg....... and people in other threads dare to give me a hard time when I
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:38 PM
Apr 2013

say AZ is one giant shitstain. I am SO happy I left. The heat just bakes people's brains, I swear to Gawd! The stupid there is just so rampant.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
70. I just moved to Tucson, and quite like it.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:03 PM
Apr 2013

I find it more liberal than San Diego.


AZ has 6 Democratic Reps and only 5 and is turning blue.


I have come to the conclusion that while people in AZ adore their children, they love their guns.

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
22. I used to vacation in AZ every year.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:47 AM
Apr 2013

Stayed in motels, ate in restaurants, shopped mostly in museum gift shops. Spent a fair deal of money.

Funny that they don't see me, or my money, any more.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
23. Thats fine! Lets do it her way!
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:53 AM
Apr 2013

Oh but, the bill doesn’t say the guns cant be reconditioned first! Only not destroyed... so ya know, add a decorative steel rod in the barrel...and we wouldn’t want that decoration to get loose, so naturally it'll need to be welded into place. That firing pin should be welded as well...dont want it possibly rattling around or anything.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
29. Yeah, but remember...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:04 AM
Apr 2013

this is Jan Brewer's idea of destroyed.

I'm sure we can accidentally lose some firing pins or bolt faces and turn them into something, though, hehe.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
33. Boycott Arizona!
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:30 AM
Apr 2013

Their economy relies on out-of-state visitation. Make them feel the pain of being so frikkin' stupid and out of touch with reality.

Mosby

(16,263 posts)
60. a travel boycott will hurt liberal areas more than conservative areas
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:42 PM
Apr 2013

The repukes will still fill up hotel rooms in scottsdale, PV, cave creek/carefree but hotels in less expensive areas like central phx and tucson will suffer.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
41. I thought the gun makers wanted to make and sell more guns
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:17 AM
Apr 2013

This doesnt make any marketing sense from the gun manufacturers viewpoint.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
42. dumb shit
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:09 AM
Apr 2013

The dumbest part to all this is, just about every time I see one of these buybacks when they show the pile of guns, it's always a pile of old rusted junk that nobody wants anyway. Ill maintained crap that I'd be scared to shoot, afraid they would blow up in my face. They never pay enough to get anything else so I don't know who the hell she thinks would buy all that old junk anyway? It's just typical RW posturing, another "solution in search of a problem" that these idiots are so adept at whipping up

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
45. It's hard to believe the "buyback" guns are worth much
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:03 AM
Apr 2013

It's probably a pile of rust. If there were any treasures in the mix, the cops have already "liberated" them.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
85. most of the time
Wed May 1, 2013, 01:45 AM
May 2013

Most of the time, that's exactly what turns up,a bunch of old junk nobody wants anymore. Haven't been cleaned or oiled in years and half of them might not even shoot. The other half I'd be scared to shoot

Every once in a while a valuable antique may find its way in from an unaware owner but that's the exception rather than the rule. Every time I see the "pile of guns" publicity pics from these things 90% of the guns on the table are just old crap people bring in because they are offering cash.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
54. Man offers to destroy guns for free
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:15 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.kjonline.com/news/Offer-to-destry-.html

Apparently, he got threats from the gun owners and rescinded his offer. The attitude seems to be if you don't want your guns, you MUST sell them to keep the "babies" around in circulation. They don't want you to destroy your own PROPERTY, and this is what guns are, PROPERTY.

I can't find the article but one legislator said the NRA was contacting them to support this Arizona law. Surprised????? If I should inherit my husband's guns, I will not sell them. I want them destroyed and out of circulation, even if I have to find a way to do that myself. Far easier to just hand them in to the police IF they will destroy them, but I won't if the police would resell them.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
79. OMG, the uproar really suggests gun worship
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

A lot of people are angry at a guy offering to destroy guns at their owners request!? And the readers equating it to book burning!? American right wingers are the stupidest people in the world!

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
55. Little Miz"Second Amendment Solution" strikes again.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:32 AM
Apr 2013

Thanks a lot gov. More appropriately, the street gangs in Phoenix and Winslow thank you sincerely for the additional armaments source.....

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
56. That border state must have a great used junk gun market.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

Mexico said recently, 70% of the guns their police recover came from the USA.

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
57. why does that scene from Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" where
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

Michael Palin sings "every sperm is sacred" comes to mind?

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
58. This quote caught my eye
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013
Backers in the GOP-controlled Legislature argued that destroying any property turned over to the government is a waste of taxpayer resources.


Interesting. Do they apply this logic to the use of the death penalty as well?

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
66. Easy loophole. "Sell" the guns to a firearms disposal company.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:36 PM
Apr 2013

I don't know if they exist but I'm sure someone could set up such a company. Cities and counties can then sell their weapons to said company, who would dispose of them properly and maybe make some money on the scrap metal. I guess the company would have to be a licensed gun dealer to remain within the law. I might be wrong but becoming a licensed gun dealer is something at the federal level, no?

Captain Stern

(2,199 posts)
74. Seems like even the NRA would be against this.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:40 PM
Apr 2013

Why would the gun manufacturers want more used guns on the market?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
75. Shouldn't it be up to the people turning in their guns to decide what they want done with the guns?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

If sold, the people turning in the guns should get the money.

wet.hen88

(64 posts)
77. the reason
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

It's the fault of that big fluffy bang in front of her face...it's pullin out her brain! See how sucked up her face looks?

 

umt9

(9 posts)
80. buy back fiasco
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:05 PM
Apr 2013

One of the most popular ways for criminals to dispose of firearms used in the commission of a crime, is community buy back programs. Not only do they get rid of incriminating evidence, but the state pays them for it. Such programs went out of style, in California, because police found that theyed been looking for 50% of the guns turned in.
If safeguards are kept in place, the state could profit from resales. Especially if some of the guns have historical or collector value.

lupine25

(33 posts)
87. Wow I'm shocked.....
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:01 PM
May 2013

.... criminals and gangsters (aka Republicans) want to keep guns on the street. Wow, I'm so shocked!

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
88. And in other news: Every child in Arizona is amply fed, educated, healthy, and loved!
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:51 PM
May 2013

Must be because the legislature has so much time on its hands to play with this insanity.

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