Manchin: Gun Bill to be Reintroduced

[Robb]

Source: Associated Press

(WASHINGTON) — One of the architects of failed gun control legislation says he’s bringing it back.

Sen. Joe Manchin on Sunday said he would re-introduce a measure that would require criminal and mental health background checks for gun buyers at shows and online. The West Virginia Democrat says that if lawmakers read the bill, they will support it.

Manchin sponsored a previous version of the measure with Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. It failed.

Manchin says there was confusion over what was in the bill.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/28/manchin-gun-bill-to-be-reintroduced/

[baldguy]

1. Hopefully the traitorous renegade Dems who voted against it will have reevaluated their betrayal.

[calimary]

6. Well, maybe. But I heard a report saying heidi heitkamp told Harry Reid flat-out that she would

only vote for it if he needed it - as in, if he had 59 votes, she'd be willing to be the 60th. But not in any other case.

Sorry, heidi, but that's not good enough.

We all have to continue to lean on them - HARD. Face it: they are counting on the uproar to die down. They're fully expecting that enough people will...
- get discouraged and give up
- get distracted when other stuff starts happening and give up
- or the press gives up - SO "old-news" and besides, there's too much else going on
- and if the press gives up, people forget - because they have to be reminded, like eight-year-olds, in order to keep thinking about it
- people get bored and give up (there WILL be people deciding they're tired of seeing these whiny parents always whoring for media attention. "Sheesh, enough already. Get over it and move on." Just you wait. Time passes and does strange things.)
- and you'll see fewer ads for gun controls because donation money will dry up, especially if it's deemed as "not a hot issue anymore,"
meanwhile the NRA finds the field clearing nicely of all those annoying objections and moralists and whiners.
...and it spirals downward from there.

They think the heat's going to turn down on this issue and finally just go away. They think they can wait this out.

Brothers and Sisters, THEY'RE COUNTING ON THIS.

We have to prove them wrong. Defy their logic!

Updated TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers conveniently located in my sig line below.

[Lurks Often]

2. May very well get National CCW this time

got 57 votes last time through.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

5. How many votes would it need?

[Lurks Often]

7. If they use the same rules as last time, they'll need 60 votes. n/t

[graham4anything]

10. This is the poison pen amendment that if passed, will wipe out NY/Calif/NJ/Ill. laws

I would rather all fail than this amendment pass

The NRA has wanted this for decades.

Beware of this.

Someone should inform Manchin that this is not good for states with good gun laws

of course, his is not, so what does he care?

[galileoreloaded]

12. god forbid equal protection gets a foothold.

jeezus.

[graham4anything]

15. Equal to what? SC's laws? Would you be okay w/50states tough as NY?

Equal protection means the worst states law becomes the norm for all 50 states.

don't let the NRA say this is nonsense.

Why do you think the NRA has wanted this for 2 decades?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. If this Federalizes, it would have to be a compromise

Neither Wyoming nor New York would like the results, but they would be uniform from state to state.

[graham4anything]

25. The NRA's dream come true-obliterate the NY/NJ/Illinois/California laws and make it SC x 50

The fate of the entire universe is at stake. And that is not hyperbole. It might even be worse.

The NRA is on the verge of getting 100% of what it wants.

[premium]

29. The fate of the entire universe is at stake?

A little melodramatic dont'ch think?

[galileoreloaded]

31. serious question. how old are you?

[Pelican]

39. I haven't been here long...

... but I lurked for a while and I believe Graham is either special or a social science experiment.

[actslikeacarrot]

49. man, I kinda hope...

...it passes just to witness your head explode on this forum. "Fate of the universe" what utter B.S.

[Hoyt]

26. What's wrong, you avoid states where you can't conceal a gun?

[galileoreloaded]

30. lol. nah, i avoid authoritarianism at all costs

[Hoyt]

32. Your poor pitiful gun plight saddens me.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. Are you allowed to own firearms?

There is a rumor going around about that. Please put it to rest, one way or the other

[Hoyt]

36. Then, I'd be against background checks. Why don't you gungeoneers quit gossiping among yourselves?

[galileoreloaded]

37. im not anything but thats an interesting question. answer it.

[galileoreloaded]

38. personal agendas get me all tingly!

[HockeyMom]

54. I feel the same way

No Poison Pill attachments even if it means that the Background Checks goes down to defeat.

[Thinkingabout]

3. I am hoping given another chance the no voters will see the error of their ways.

I think we will have to flood their offices with calls to vote yes this time. I doubt Crazy Cruz will read this bill either but maybe we can tell him in our phone calls what it says. We don't want criminals, terrorists or those mentally incapable of properly using weapons the opportunity to purchase them. For those who do nit want a national gun register needs to push this bill. The only nuts who says "they gonna come and take your guns" are misinformed by groups like NRA. They need to stop listening to this insanity.

[Robb]

4. Americans for Responsible Solutions (Giffords' group) launched an initiative this week

It's an "accountability campaign," that does nothing more than make sure people know how their Senator voted. It's pretty damning stuff in places like Kentucky and New Hampshire, where big majorities favored the bill and McConnell and Ayotte both voted "no."

[Thinkingabout]

14. K & R

Keep up the good work!!!!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. This should be a good thing and pass

It needs some minor tuning, and without being associated with the underlying anti gun bill (which many seem to have forgotten about), it should stand a markedly better chance of passing.

[HereSince1628]

9. What minor tuning do you think is needed?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. Here is one of them...and its tied to DOMA

http://www.pinkpistols.org/?q=node/5

The emotion mongers will dismiss this as details and trivia, but it clearly is not.

[HereSince1628]

23. Manchin Toomey isn't that bill is it?

Manchin Tooment is The PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT, S 649.

I've read it and I really was wondering what you saw as a minor change.

[graham4anything]

24. Shameful of the NRA to use Gays as shields.The Poison pen MUST be stopped.

The NRA is loving this mass manipulation.

Anything for the gun and the bullet.

See folks? Nothing but a complete reinterpretation of the 2nd, however, 2013 is not the time as the court isn't here.
If THIS court reinterprets, then it will never happen in our lifetime.

it has to wait til the court switches to 6 to 3 democratic

and most don't even realize that.
The NRA needs to be stopped. it's beyond funny.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

34. A gay group is concerned about details in the gun control bill.

Address the concerns...your typical word salad won't do

[graham4anything]

40. Michael Mike Bloomberg needs to get on this right away.

Poison pillpens are like the bullet that the fame seeking killer of John Lennon attain

they twist and turn in many ways, and the intent is to destroy everything in its path by doing just that like a triple edge sword.

Much like the bullet that killed the kind, meek Dr. Tiller by yet another in a long line of people with guns and bullets who were rightwing extremists taking out anything the rightwing don't like.

Most people only see things that are right in front of them.

Poison penpills see things from all angles and blow them up sky high.

A rightwingers dream would be to stop Gay marriage, any control on guns and Abortions all in one shot.

There has never in American history been anything as dangerous as this amendment.

And I would venture a guess that 99% of America does not even realize it.
The ones that want this are the 1% of America. The NRA.

57 people voted for it though 60 was needed.
People now will be so desperate to get anything, that they will rush to do it, and this amendment will sneak in.

The only thing that could save the nation would be a surprise verdict by this supreme court
Much like the Health Care bill was saved only by John Roberts.
But it is doubtful.

It needs a brand new court to decide it.

One thing is good though-the court is through for 2013. So it would be June 2014 at the earliest, and that give much time for Mayor Bloomberg the great equalizer to mobilize the forces.
Because this single bill can do away with Gay Marriage, Abortions and any form of Gun control ever in the USA if the poisonpillpen passes.

I am thinking if this thing passes, what might end up being a wise move would be for
President Clinton in 2017 to name Mike Bloomberg as Homeland Security director.
And make guns the major focus of the next 8 years after.

as they say, be careful what one wishes.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

43. Bloomie the 1%er has nothing to do with this

A minor cleanup to UBCs and other transfers?

More meaningless word salad.

Do you even read what was posted?

[graham4anything]

46. Mike Bloomberg is the great Equalizer, and he can stop the poisonpen.

And watch like a hawk if the NRA pulls a stunt like they did in the regular natoinal bill.

NRA folks want to sleight of hand things through.

Personally, I think any gun laws should now wait for a better court, so there are no tricks.

It's funny how eager the NRA folks are to get this rushed through.

Let's slow it down and see all the words.

And Have The Great Equalizer's team finecomb it to see.

I know the NRA folks hate Mike. With good reason.
Becasue their guns will be gone someday, sooner rather than later.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

48. Again world salad devoid of facts and meaning

The NRA opposes UBCs, we here support it.

Most people here dislike Bloomie and his sycophants due to his actions, which are much broader than just gun control, like his illegal crackdown on OWS

[dsc]

27. I don't see anyway this would happen under Manchin's bill

since you are permitted to lend to pretty much anyone you know under it. On edit, I will state that every adult in a house with guns should have to get a backround check and if anyone fails the guns should go.

[riqster]

55. D minor, the saddest of all keys

(Nigel Tufnel).

[PSPS]

13. LOL. Yes, "the underlying anti gun bill"

We certainly can't have anything that can't be spun as "pro gun" now, can we? Oh, the horrors!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. That is what Harry Reid called it

so whine to him...

[graham4anything]

16. i.e.-If the poison pen passes, and nothing else

and if no one realizes what the poison pen will do (which will take away NY/NJ/Calif/Ill etc.)

and make all 50 states lax like SC and Kansas

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. Its called a poison pill...

And if it goes through clean without riders like DiFis AWB or magazine restrictions, it should pass.

[graham4anything]

22. I myself have contacted Mike Bloomberg and told him to look out for this sleight of hand by NRA

We are going to need major noise to stop this #1 item on the nra want list.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. UBCs? You are aware that is what Manchin put forth?

I am sure Mike was impressed by your concerns about poison pens.

[Union Scribe]

45. I, for one, would love

to read your correspondence with Bloomberg (whom I didn't even realize was in the senate!).

[graham4anything]

47. Part of Team Obama working w/Joe Biden (the VP).Aren't you glad there is 60?I am.

I love Harry Reid.
He stopped the Cronyn Amendment.

I do understand though why the NRA tries to hide that fact.

[DCBob]

11. Many on this board think this guy is a useless DINO.

To me this issue proves them wrong. He could be the difference in making this bill happen.

[beagle72]

20. Double-edged sword?

With Manchin voting against his own party some 30% of the time, would we be better off with a more solid Dem leading this charge?

[link:http://www.congresspedia.us/loyalty_democrats.php|Congresspedia: Most and Least Loyal Democrats
]

[Delmette]

28. Right now!

I'm going to write to Max Bacus. He has nothing to loose now that he is retiring.

[BaronChocula]

41. Only this time,

maybe you can water it down even more.

[Gabby Hayes]

42. But who will speak for the Cattle Hunters?!?

Some dumb ass with a machine gun has been killing cattle in East Texas near where a bunch of my relatives live. A real battlefield machine gun. At night too. One wonders if they are working their way up the food chain.

Eventually a bunch of these hotheads are going to turn their guns on each other at some NRA convention. In the meantime, the rest of us would like to practice our right to sit at home in peace, without the fear of errant bullets killing us in bed. Or tank rounds. That's right, some brain-damaged lead huffers down here are still demanding their "right" to own and bear tanks. Sounds like bad strategy against someone with a kitchen sink nuke. Nevertheless, these pussies in Congress are liable to give them the right because they are scared to death of the kooks they enabled in the first place.

There is simply no way to shame the majority of Congress into doing the right thing. The unarmed majority of Americans will have to designate days to gather and shutdown state and federal legislatures, and the streets of neighborhoods where the cowards live.

Lord help us.

[Union Scribe]

44. Still with the "friends and family" exceptions?

If so, it would still leave fairly massive loopholes.

[rpannier]

50. That's the problem

They won't read it
They'll just reflexively vote against it. Get their A+++ rating from thew NRA and then have the NRA campaign against them

[morningfog]

51. Never give up!

[Progressive dog]

52. Keep making them show their true loyalty

to the gun lobby, not to the people who elected them.

[Cha]

53. thanks Robb