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alp227

(32,018 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:27 PM Apr 2013

Records: Texas plant hadn't told feds about explosive fertilizer

Source: CNN

The fertilizer plant that blew up in Texas last week warned state and local officials but not federal agencies that it had 270 tons of highly volatile ammonium nitrate on site, according to regulatory records.

The April 17 fire and explosion at West Fertilizer Co. killed 14 people and devastated the small town of West, Texas. Investigators have said they're not sure how much ammonium nitrate was actually on site at the time of the explosion, however, since plant records were destroyed in the blast.

The company sold ammonium nitrate and anhydrous ammonia, both commonly used as fertilizers. It had notified state and local emergency management officials of its stock of both in its most recent declaration of hazardous chemicals, filed in February.

However, the risk management plan it filed with the federal Environmental Protection Agency in 2011 mentioned only anhydrous ammonia, which produces suffocating fumes and can cause burns if mishandled. The plan listed as a worst-case scenario "the release of the total contents of a storage tank released as a gas over 10 minutes" and did not warn of the risks of explosion.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/us/texas-explosion-plant/index.html

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Records: Texas plant hadn't told feds about explosive fertilizer (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2013 OP
Texas? Hold 'em? Brimley Apr 2013 #1
At the risk of sounding like a mad tinfoil hatter MynameisBlarney Apr 2013 #2
If you're going down the conspiracy route adieu Apr 2013 #3
Sure, but where's the fun in that? MynameisBlarney Apr 2013 #4
The ammonia was going to be used to enhance LanternWaste Apr 2013 #9
See...now THAT is a great conspiracy theory!!! MynameisBlarney Apr 2013 #12
Regulations? In Texas? tonekat Apr 2013 #5
Can we start putting corporations on the terrorist watch list? baldguy Apr 2013 #6
so arrest warrants for negligent homicide will be shortly forthcoming.. frylock Apr 2013 #7
I'm sure the fines levied Mr.Bill Apr 2013 #8
"America needs towns like West" GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #10
They should be charged with murder. The firefighters died because THEY lied blm Apr 2013 #11
Read. Igel Apr 2013 #13
Silence to not report is the same guilt. leanforward Apr 2013 #14

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
2. At the risk of sounding like a mad tinfoil hatter
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013

Been thinking about this whole thing.
And while it is most likely a case of zero regulatory oversight and greedy business owners, I thought of something else that could be possible.
Maybe this was something else. No, not terrorism, though that's a possibility, however remote...but what if they were hiding the amount of this fertilizer from the feds because they were gonna be selling to people that weren't exactly farmers.

Like militia types.

Ok...talk me down now, please, lol.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
3. If you're going down the conspiracy route
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:43 PM
Apr 2013

I'd say a simpler claim would be insurance fraud or help in disposing of some unkind documents.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
4. Sure, but where's the fun in that?
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

I thought conspiracy theories were supposed to be more complex than that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. The ammonia was going to be used to enhance
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:48 PM
Apr 2013

The ammonia was going to be used to enhance the intelligence of flying monkeys for the eventual U.S. Flying Monkey Army to be ferried up the Trinity river to DFW and lead an assault against the forces of Mordor-- who live in Fort Worth and weekend along the gulf coast (be stupid to put the monekys into the Air force because super-intelligent flying monkeys can't pilot very well-- duh!).

The nitrate was to keep the monkeys happy during their weekend leave to vegas.

Somehow, those militia types were one step ahead of the Flying Monkey Army of Texas. Damn them to hell.

tonekat

(1,814 posts)
5. Regulations? In Texas?
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

Heck, they don't need no damn regulations. If'n you got a problem, you settle it like adults. With guns blazing.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
6. Can we start putting corporations on the terrorist watch list?
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:02 PM
Apr 2013

They have Mama Tsarnaeva listed, and she's only guilty of shoplifting & believing weird CTs.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
7. so arrest warrants for negligent homicide will be shortly forthcoming..
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

or is Holder too busy trying to figure out how to fuck over CO and WA.

blm

(113,043 posts)
11. They should be charged with murder. The firefighters died because THEY lied
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 05:55 PM
Apr 2013

because those firefighters would have cleared the area if they had known the actual contents of that building.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
13. Read.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:26 PM
Apr 2013

"The fertilizer plant that blew up in Texas last week warned state and local officials but not federal agencies that it had 270 tons of highly volatile ammonium nitrate on site."

The locals had the information, or at least sufficient information. So did the state.

Whether they shared it with the fire dept. is another question.

Note that the Federal Fire Department (if there were such a thing) had nobody on the ground.

It's also highly dubious that every time a small-town fire department is called to a fire they check a series of federal databases to see what's been listed as being stored there.

Now, when the owner was contacted as the fire was raging--assuming he was, and that there was enough time--he might have offered the information. Perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't. Haven't seen that discussed.

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
14. Silence to not report is the same guilt.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:01 PM
Apr 2013

These managers need to be put away. When I say "hang'em" I mean throw the book at them. They were taking a shortcut, which I'm sure made the shareholders (owners) smile. Greed needs to be penalized. To me their income needs to be reduced to the poverty income level for that county. Records were lost.

To repeat, their short sightedness, caused irreparable harm. What about the Volunteer Firemen? Why weren't they dealing in a more educated manor? Lack of Information? Was there any of the plant staff hanging around? Waving them off? I'm sure there is an insurance company involved? I would hope that every negative from the insurance company hits the blogs.

Doesn't anyone remember Texas City, TX, 1947?

Business lobbying through the GOP is too heavy handed.

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