U.S. has evidence chemical weapons have been used in Syria, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says.
Source: CNN
U.S. has evidence chemical weapons have been used in Syria, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says
Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/24/world/asia/syria-minaret/
Breaking headline, no other info provided.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed to varying degrees of confidence that Syria has used small amounts of chemical weapons, according to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
Hagel told reporters in Abu Dhabi today that the White House has informed Congress about the assessment. He said the weapons may have included the nerve gas sarin.
Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, told reporters in Washington that Syria has crossed a red line set by President Barack Obama by using such weapons.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-25/hagel-says-syria-chemical-use-found-with-varied-confidence-1-.html
Hagel must of gotten the memo from Tel Aviv this morning...
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in Syria? Why? Because Assad is such a prince? I mean, it's not like he hasn't already killed around 50,000 of his own people but you're right - let's blame somebody else because, why the fuck not? It's simple minded thinking like this that makes this board intolerable sometimes and makes it same as Alex Jones. Where's the smiley that shows absolute disgust?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)trust not one damned word that comes from the netanyahu government.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You were asked who did it and you posted A VERY LARGE picture of Bibi saying he was your guess. I don't trust Bibi either but blaming Israel for all the shit happening in Syria is just dumb.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)really care less.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)There is a HUGE difference from "IS" and "to varying degrees of Confidence".
I have been reading the many stories of Israel "claiming" proof that Syria had used chemical weapons - and here - the CNN headline that seems to lead to Hagel saying they did.
Here, from yesterday is more detailed coverage of what Kerry said about it
US officials declined Tuesday to confirm Israeli charges that Syria used chemical weapons against insurgents threatening to topple the government in Damascus.
US Secretary of State John Kerry said there was no direct evidence that Syria had used any chemical agents, such as sarin gas, against rebel fighters in its increasingly desperate effort to retain power.
"The information that I have at this point does not confirm it to me...as a fact," Kerry said, according to the CNN.
Kerry's statement followed public charges leveled earlier Tuesday by a top Israeli military official who said Syria had used chemical weapons "on a number of occasions" in its war against insurgents, now in its third year.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14471554-us-cannot-confirm-israeli-claim-that-syria-used-chemical-weapons
Note that the Israeli claim was given on CNN.
Other accounts say that Netanyhu himself did not confirm what an Israeli military official said - per Kerry who spoke to Netanyahu - http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-cant-confirm-syrian-chemical-use-says-kerry/
CNN does not seem to be reporting these comments that are contrary to their own position.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)Geez, on a story as important as this you'd think CNN would do a better job of reporting. They've turned into Fox Lite.
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Is dangerous. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)alert status.
Sentath
(2,243 posts)Brown Pants
What is a BN status? Bullshit News?
P.S. and the only part where I'm on topic:
My first reaction was "I don't believe you." Kinda sad.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Scored a major victory against the rebels and broke their weapon supply line, according to Huffpo. What a coincidence.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)The accusatuons are a few weeks old and already verified by the Brits, Israel and France...
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)We didn't get varying degrees of "proof" until now.
I think the timing is hinky, I think the "varying degrees" is hinky, I don't trust Chuck Hagel, and I don't trust our military brass.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Though France, if you recall, opposed UN action in Iraq because if the illegal dealings it had with Sadam. The evidence is this cause is fairly certain though (video of the casualties and soil tests)...
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)And I ended getting spend a lovely 13 months in Iraq because of W's goof. Sarin found in blood tests from victims seems a little more convincing than a memo about yellow cake and satellite pictures of abandoned trailers. Just saying...
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...but the Poodle ignored it and had a leading critic 'suicided'...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Close enough for gov't work.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)A fellow DUer right on this thread has concluded that Israel is responsible for the chemical attack. Case closed.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)(In seriousness) both sides have their conspiracy theorists. Why exactly it would benefit Israel to have a hot war at their border is not something I can understand.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and it's embarrassing that such a moronic claim is made on this board.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)A war at the border and all the weapons left over would make things even worse.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Not this again.
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TrogL
(32,822 posts)Where is the truth in this?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)By PAUL D. SHINKMAN
France, Israel and the U.K. believe that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons on its own people during its two-year-old civil war, but the U.S. needs more proof than intelligence from its closest allies, officials say.
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, said during his Middle East tour Wednesday that the U.S. is still assessing the situation in Syria to determine if the regime of President Bashar al-Assad has crossed the "red line" that President Barack Obama has frequently referenced.
This follows reports on Tuesday from an Israeli official that forces loyal to Assad had gassed Syrians with lethal sarin. Hagel said he has not yet discussed this report further with anyone, including U.S. intelligence agencies.
"I have not talked to anybody about the Israeli assessment or report," he told reporters in Egypt on Wednesday. "What I rely on is specific U.S. intelligence agency assessments. Any recommendations I would make to the president would have to come from those assessments."
more...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/24/us-remains-undecided-on-syrian-chemical-attacks-hagel-says
hoosierlib
(710 posts)Let the coalition airstrikes begin...no ground troops
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)oh uhm wait ...
http://americanlivewire.com/white-phosphorus-bombs/
Israel seems to like using them too...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israeli_military_confirms_the_use_of_white_phosphorus_bombs_in_the_Gaza_Strip
Of course it would be better if they would join in our capitalism for a change and buy some drones. Do the United Corporations of America sell drones yet? Maybe they could hire Eric Prince's band of cookie sellers.
Yes folks it's the usual bad if they do it and good if we do it USA show where contestants win government contracts and losers get their children blown up.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)Sorry, that really shouldn't be funny...but it is...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)David__77
(23,367 posts)The US should not intervene in Syria militarily even if chemical weapons are used.
pampango
(24,692 posts)We should however stop pretending to care if dictators gas their own people. We should tell future Democratic presidents to stop making high fallutin' speeches pretending to care about the welfare of people in other countries.
Sovereign dictators can do whatever they want to their own people, I suppose.
David__77
(23,367 posts)I think contribution to medical and food aid funds is important. That is an important expression of "care" on the part of this country.
Like FDR, I think opposing colonialism in all its forms is important. Peace through development and mutual assistance.
The people have every right to make revolution. But the country has every right to independence.
pampango
(24,692 posts)And the provision of medical and food aid will be of little solace to the Syrian people under those circumstances. Can't say that I would blame them. If I thought someone had the power to stop chemical attacks, did not do it, then showed up offering food and medical aid, I am not sure that "Thank you" would be the first words out of my mouth.
Fortunately at this point this is all hypothetical since Obama seems unconvinced that chemical weapons have actually been used. Let us hope that it remains that way.
The people have every right to make revolution. But the country has every right to independence. - I agree. And people are sovereign, not their rulers.
David__77
(23,367 posts)But the cries of those fabricating the "crossed red line" are not. Continued rejection of those demands is the right thing for the Obama administration to do. And I certainly hope that there is a political solution to the problems of the war.
Alamuti Lotus
(3,093 posts)I guess egging everybody on from the sideline isn't producing enough of a profit..
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)However, in a letter to Congress the administration made it clear that it did not believe that the evidence was conclusive, saying it only had "varying amounts of confidence" in its reliability. Nor did the evidence prove beyond any doubt that the Syrian government had been responsible for using sarin, though this was "very likely" to be the case.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/25/us-intelligence-confidence-syria-sarin-gas
Jake Izzy
(130 posts)chemical weapons are banned internationally.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and most likely the annihilation of the Shia crescent in the ME?
If he did it, he'd lose his Russian benefactors (although its not clear he'd lose his Chinese "friends" .
It makes FAR more sense that the revolutionaries (cough*) would do this (posing as members of the Syrian Army) to provoke a massive reaction by the West against Assad and his regime....
The accounts are sketchy at best. There's no clear picture of what's happened and how many (if any) people were injured.
The US MIC industry would win I guess if this is true and we are provoked into another war. Our allies - the Sunni dominated Saudi and Gulf states would "win" as well as they'd get their holy war on during the genocidal bloodbath that would happen in the region.
I am deeply skeptical Assad would do anything like this.
tralala
(239 posts)When reports of a chemical weapons attack in Syria first emerged, like a month ago, the signs pointed to the rebels being responsible for it. And tHe US government issued a vague denial that chemical weapons were even used.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)When Saddam used them in the 80's it was hard to cover-up, because thousands of people died at once, and thousands more were injured or suffered from the consequences.
My bullshit detector is starting to go off.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)along with Russia and China. We should do nothing.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)And for decades the US refused to ratify the ban on using Chemical Weapons for it wanted to retain the right to use tear gas even in Combat. When the US did ratify the ban on the use of Chemical Weapons, the US reserved the right to use tear gas.
Thus, the Chemical Weapon used in Syria may be Tear Gas, which the US would use in combat situations.