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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:35 AM Apr 2013

Boston Suspects Are Seen as Self-Taught and Fueled by Web

Source: NYT

The portrait investigators have begun to piece together of the two brothers suspected of the Boston Marathon bombings suggests that they were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs but were not acting with known terrorist groups — and that they may have learned to build bombs simply by logging onto the online English-language magazine of the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Yemen, law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

The investigation into the bombings is still in its earliest stages, and federal authorities were still in the process of corroborating some of the admissions that law enforcement officials said were made by the surviving suspect in the attacks, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. But they said some of his statements suggested that the two brothers could represent the kind of emerging threat that federal authorities have long feared: angry and alienated young men, apparently self-trained and unaffiliated with any particular terrorist group, able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft.

Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who serves on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters after emerging from a two-hour classified briefing with F.B.I. and intelligence officials Tuesday evening that the suspects were most likely radicalized over the Internet, but that investigators were still searching for possible sources of inspiration or support overseas.

“The increasing signals are that these were individuals who were radicalized, especially the older brother, over a period of time — radicalized by Islamist fundamentalist terrorists, basically using Internet sources to gain not just the types of philosophical beliefs that radicalized them, but also learning components of how to do these sorts of things,” Mr. Rubio told reporters.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html?_r=0

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Boston Suspects Are Seen as Self-Taught and Fueled by Web (Original Post) Turborama Apr 2013 OP
So a "lone wolf?" Pholus Apr 2013 #1
To be 'lone' requires there to be just one. Lone does not mean 'the two' it means 'the solitary' Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #14
Really. See the definition that is actually used.... Pholus Apr 2013 #20
No orders from overseas. No terror cell. Just fucked up people with gunpowder and guns. onehandle Apr 2013 #2
And I live near quite a few IrishAyes Apr 2013 #18
"..angry and alienated young men...able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft." FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #3
They weren't looking at enough eggplant Apr 2013 #5
Of course that's what I meant FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #11
Here comes a wave of internet censorship quotes from the experts... n/t Earth_First Apr 2013 #4
Censor the NYT cprise Apr 2013 #16
So no reason to blame the FBI treestar Apr 2013 #6
Except that the Russians warned the FBI several times about their radical Islamic ties (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #7
What radical ties? treestar Apr 2013 #8
See Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #9
... treestar Apr 2013 #10
This is the balancing act a lot of people simply refuse to acknowledge. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #12
Exactly! treestar Apr 2013 #13
Self Taught and Fueled by the Web ?? Deny and Shred Apr 2013 #15
Charlie Rose IrishAyes Apr 2013 #17
yeah the media warrprayer Apr 2013 #19

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
1. So a "lone wolf?"
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:38 AM
Apr 2013

Just kidding. That's only true if they're white and Christian. This is terrorism of course.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. To be 'lone' requires there to be just one. Lone does not mean 'the two' it means 'the solitary'
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

These guys were not lone anything. There were two of them.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
20. Really. See the definition that is actually used....
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:50 AM
Apr 2013

refers to the tactics, not the head count. A "lone wolf" acts without material support from outside groups, without orders coming from a command structure and without personal contact with the group with which they identify. That makes them hard to catch by classic law enforcement techniques (since they work by watching who is talking to who through surveilance).

To continue cribbing from Wikipedia and adding the emphases...

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the term "lone wolf" was popularized by white supremacists Alex Curtis and Tom Metzger in the 1990s. Metzger advocated individual or small-cell underground activity, as opposed to above-ground membership organizations, envisaging "warriors acting alone or in small groups who attacked the government or other targets in 'daily, anonymous acts.'"[1] He referred to these warriors as "lone wolves".


Now in the U.S. both Timothy McVeigh and John Allen Muhammad were both deemed classic examples of lone wolves by law enforcement. Neither acted completely alone. I seem to remember both had helpers (Terry Nichols and Lee Boyd Malvo).

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. No orders from overseas. No terror cell. Just fucked up people with gunpowder and guns.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:10 AM
Apr 2013

Militias are full of these types.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
18. And I live near quite a few
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:19 PM
Apr 2013

In the MidWest boonies. They've made it plain enough that their first targets in the race war they anticipate and try to provoke will be whites who stood against them. I make it quite clear right back that if they ever try any such foolishness (which privately I figure they will someday), then they will find out what federal power can do.

A few weeks ago I sent in another of my usual polite letters to the editor of our local weekly (wide regional circulation) with my standard pro-Democrat stance on things, and the next week there was a reply from another reader whose screech could be heard around the world. Besides calling everything out of a Democrat's mouth untrue, he bellowed that we were "LYING HYENAS OF SOCIALISM!" (My knees really shook at that one.) Oh, and we're all lazy and greedy too, just in case you didn't know.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
3. "..angry and alienated young men...able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft."
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:30 AM
Apr 2013

THat's NOT what young men should be using the internet for...

cprise

(8,445 posts)
16. Censor the NYT
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:07 PM
Apr 2013

They are mostly Web-based these days, and they play a key role in inciting senseless violence.

You see how easy that is?

It amazes me how establishment corps like these turn into propaganda organs for the knee-jerk set.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. So no reason to blame the FBI
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:20 AM
Apr 2013

for not realizing a mere trip overseas to a location where his family is from should not have informed them he would commit a bombing in the future.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. ...
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:47 AM
Apr 2013
The FBI acknowledged Friday that it had investigated Tsarnaev in 2011, even interviewing him and his family, but “did not find any terrorism activity,” either domestic or foreign.


Some on DU would be screaming about the government surveilling people just because they were Muslim.

The FBI can be interviewing people today. They have no idea what those people will do in 2015. This practically calls for a surveillance state.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. This is the balancing act a lot of people simply refuse to acknowledge.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:55 AM
Apr 2013

It's remarkable how many people went from "government surveillance is tyranny" to "why didn't they have a wiretap up this guy's ass wherever he went?"

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Exactly!
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

I've been listening/watching MSNBC a lot more since the bombing and I am tired of hearing about the FBI "dropping the ball" - as if the government can have a wiretap up the ass of everyone they get any information on, and as if the government was supposed to think there was something super suspicious about someone traveling to a country their family is from.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
17. Charlie Rose
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013

had a guest last night who was former CIA, and his opinion was that the bombing had just as much Columbine in it as jihad, because neither of the two brothers had a deep intellectual understanding of history and background. They were alienated young men who seized upon jihad as a handy excuse to wreak the havoc they wanted to inflict just for its own sake. Whereas the older al Qaeda captives were soaked to the bone in ideology and would never repent of their evil, Charlie's guest believes the youngest brother this time probably will eventually. Not that it will do him much good on earth, because he's probably going to get the death penalty.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
19. yeah the media
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:30 PM
Apr 2013

seems to be pounding the "no outside connection" drum very loudly. Which sets off bullshit alarm in my head, especially since they are pounding it just days later before any in depth investigation could possibly be made.

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