FATHER OF BOSTON SUSPECTS PLANS TO FLY TO US

[DonViejo]

Source: AP

MAKHACHKALA, Russia (AP) — The father of the two Boston bombing suspects says he will travel from Russia to the United States this week to seek "justice and the truth."

Anzor Tsarnaev told The Associated Press that he has "lots of questions for the police" and he wants "to clear up many things."

In the interview on Sunday he said only that he planned to go in several days, but the suspects' mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, told journalists on Monday that the father plans to fly to the U.S. on Wednesday.

She said the family would try to bring the body of their elder son back to Russia.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/father-boston-suspects-plans-fly-us

[onehandle]

1. Weirdly written headline. nt

[geek tragedy]

2. Maybe Joe Arpaio or Orly Taitz can join him. nt

[Thinkingabout]

4. K & R

[Raven]

3. Um, I think Anzor has this backwards...

the police probably have "lots of questions" for him in order to "clear up many things" in order to get to "justice and the truth." Oh, and Anzor, your son's body is not going anywhere soon.

[dballance]

13. Thanks! Exactly What I Was Thinking. The Police do the Questioning.

Anzor seems to forget that it's the police who do the questioning. Not the suspect or the suspect's family. In fact, since Dzhokhar is NOT a minor Anzor has no legal standing in this at all. He may as well be me as be the parent. The authorities are under no obligation whatsoever to even talk to him, much less answer his questions. That's pretty much going to be reserved for Dzhokhar's attorney in the discovery phase of any trial.

On Edit 1 & 2: I'd also expect the US Attorney and the DA to tell the police not to speak with him or answer any of his questions. Even trying to interrogate him is probably not worth the effort. He's been in Russia for some time so he likely has no useful information and he's definitely not going to be cooperative. They may try to interrogate him just to be thorough and avoid the public outcry that might ensue if they don't. But I doubt it will produce anything useful.

[LisaL]

17. His older son visited him in Russia not that long ago.

[harmonicon]

53. Oh, yes, because familial relations equal guilt. Sins of the father, x-number of generations, etc.

Give me a fucking break. The "body is not going anywhere..." yeah, because we're going to use fucking CSI TV-Magic (tm) to use a fucking dead body to solve mysteries. That, or it's just good to get lulz by inflicting suffering on the family members of criminals. This man has a dead son. His dead son will never get a chance to defend himself in court, because... ta-da! ... he's dead. You don't like him though, so you think his family can fuck right off. Do I basically have this straight?

[BeyondGeography]

5. Utter cluelessness

runs in the family.

[peace13]

6. Interesting how this man said his son slept all the time he was on his visit home.

Sounds like depression to me.

[marshall]

23. Or maybe he just thought the son was sleeping

He was probably out all night with whomever he was hooking up with, then sleeping all day.

[tblue]

27. If my son was imprisoned

I'd hop a plane to go there in about 10 seconds. This is a devastated, desperate father. Let's grant him some grace during the worst family crisis imaginable, please.

[peace13]

37. I meant funny as in odd!

[Dollface]

43. Thank you tblue. It may turn out that he is in some way culpable but shouldn't we hold off on the

snark and chest-thumping until then?

Why should he be any less shocked then many of the others who knew his sons? Why should he believe that his Muslim sons will receive fair treatment in the U.S.?

[treestar]

7. I wonder if he has also become a U.S. citizen

If not, he might not be able to come so freely.

[iandhr]

8. I guess its not uncommon for a family member to be in denial.

[Travelman]

9. He'll need to get a visa first

Unless he already holds a visit visa, he'll need to get a visa from a US consulate before they'll let him board a plane to the US. Given his sons' apparent ties to al Qaeda (at least according to the last reporting I saw), that visa might not be forthcoming.

[gussmith]

22. The Bad Guy Perks

Of course everything from VISA, plane fare and accommodations will be expedited and paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.

[DonViejo]

30. Do you have a link to some information...

to back that up, gussmith? It might be worth its' own thread.

[Marrah_G]

46. Oh bullshit

[2ndAmForComputers]

61. Please elaborate.

This should be fun.

While it lasts.

If you know what I mean.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

54. There are ways to bypass inadmissibility issues - such as ties to terror groups - and

get visas.

He may be granted admission to the U.S. in a variety of ways, including by special permission of law enforcement, as a material witness, etc. etc.

He probably won't have to go through the regular procedures that other foreign nationals go through when they apply for a visa. I'm pretty sure the Department of State will use internal channels to ensure he is admitted to the U.S., unless there are major impediments not publicly known.

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. I will hold off on ridiculing their parents for now

These are people who spent most of their life in either the Soviet Union or Russia. Much more so than many Americans who tend to assume that there might be a government conspiracy involved when tragedy strikes, they have lived through times and places where reality firmly backs that up, where people get framed and/or prosecuted on trumped up charges, where completely false narratives get sold as truth and are validated by the media. I don't blame them for being suspicious, and without further evidence I don't blame them for the radicalization of their sons. They are their parents and whatever good is or was in those two men, that is what they instinctively hold closest to their hearts. The truth will be hard for them to take in, especially from several thousand miles away. Let the father ask his questions and let's wait to see what he finally says after they are answered.

[kickysnana]

12. Now that sounds like a Democrat. n/t

[coffeenap]

15. Yes, it does. Thanks. nt

[Cracklin Charlie]

19. Good point!

I find this whole event really sad. That man's twenty six year old son is dead, and his nineteen year old son is hospitalized in critical condition. Citizens of Boston have been killed, hundreds injured, and millions affected by this tragedy.

Now is not the time for knee-jerk, emotional reaction. A reasoned, measured response will bring the best outcome for all concerned.

[tblue]

29. Not the time to beat up on the dad either

I can't imagine how heartbroken he is.

[AtheistCrusader]

34. You know, I don't see anything in the party platform about that.

Do you?

Seems like it might be mute on the subject.

[Dollface]

45. That sounds like a reasonable, thoughtful, full-fledged member of humanity.

[harmonicon]

55. I've noticed a pretty big lack of that around here lately. (nt)

[Posteritatis]

20. Yep. That background brings a whole lot of baggage

Even if they may be 'nuts' by a lot of standards people recognize around here, I'd challenge anyone to spend their lifetime in or near the Caucasus and not be deeply suspicious of even the most absolutely justified uses of force by the government.

(And on top of that, anyone who just lost one or both of their children gets some leeway points, period.)

[Igel]

40. Except that you start with "deeply suspicious."

That's in the ground rules. All that's left is to find something to be deeply suspicious about, because there's no way a perfect stranger is likely to be anything less than an enemy.

This is the Caucasus, with dozens of ethnicities and languages in a small area mostly because of rivalries and conflict between clans and tribes. It's been this way probably since before the Kingdom of Urartu tried to stretch north into the area.

Helping it all is a deeply held sense of honor. You can screw a pig nightly but you absolutely must deny it in public and threaten to kill anybody who dares to say it out loud. Rather like having it rumored that a general's wife in Georgian England is being humped regularly by the general's aide, it's one thing for everybody to know about it but a completely different thing to offend honor by actually uttering it. It's not "real" and doesn't have to be dealt with if it's not on the record.

Tamarlan (an interesting choice of names) has to be innocent in order to preserve family honor. The uncle was furious that Tamarlan and Djohar brought shame upon them. I have to assume that there was some falling out between the brothers (uncle and father here) that allows the uncle to so easily accept the dishonor--but, like many DUers who accept insults to the US, duck the insult by insisting that the *real* dishonor or blame falls on those that they so strongly disagree with.

As for "Russia"--apparently the family started in Kirgyzstan, then wound up in Dagestan in Makhachkala. Now, Makhachkala was in the news in the early 2000s because of some attacks apparently by Chechens against oil refineries, pipelines, and the like. Just about then they moved to the US. I have trouble considering any of those "Russia." Djohar was born after the fall of the USSR (might be named after Djohar Dudaev, the one-time president of Chechnya and for independence of the one-time break-away region, might not be). Tamarlan would have been born under Gorbachev's USSR.

Sometimes when you check up on the parents of a little apple all you find is a big apple.

[Dollface]

50. There you go, being all reasonable.

[uppityperson]

25. I imagine he does have lots of questions as most any parent would. I can not imagine having a child

do this and would have lots of questions about it all also to help me figure out why my child did this.

It doesn't mean necessarily he is questioning how the police reacted, but to figure out the whole thing.

[grantcart]

39. I am sympathetic to your point of view, but their is one big problem with it.

They sought refugee asylum in the US.



They did so because of what they went through but also because of where they wanted to go. They could have just as easily, in fact in many cases much easier, petitioned to go to NZ, Canada, Australia, or any of the Nordic countries.


They chose the US because of the fairness and the financial opportunities here.


Once they were received here they were treated with enormous fairness. They were welcomed, provided support and the people of Boston welcomed them as one of their own. The only reason that the older brother is not a citizen is because he beat the hell out of his wife and has a criminal conviction.


The younger brother was well loved and admired. He was given a huge scholarship to go to College. He gave all of that up to murder innocent people who wanted to race on a spring day. They murdered a young cop who was in a car.


So there is another explanation that explains the parents reaction to all of the wonderful things that happened since they were refugees here and their wild statements since the tragedy.


The parents are jerks and it appears that the older brother inherited all of that from both of them and that the younger brother was gullible. Its unfortunate because this apparent otherwise sweet person is going to spend the rest of his life looking at cement walls because of it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

41. Good points but my bottom line was "I will hold off on ridiculing their parents for now"

I think the points that both of us made are based on different logical deductions, and as such boil down to speculation. Even your comment about why they chose the U.S. for refuge has elements of speculation in it, it could have swung on them personally having known more ex-pats living in the U.S. than anywhere else as another possible explanation. The parents may or may not be jerks. Unlike their sons they spent much more of their lives in lands where one might want to seek refuge from - I don't know what that does to a person's ingrained fears since I haven't been in those shoes. Prior to reading about their suspicions regarding the U.S. Government and their sons I haven't seen any reporting about them being anti-American. There is room on the spectrum between completely embracing a new homeland without reservations and damning it instead.

Their sons killed Americans but they did not, and based on what we know so far there is no evidence that they were/are sympathetic to others, let alone their own children, doing so. I simply am reserving judgement on the father, based on this OP, at least until more is known about him or we see how he reacts to what he learns once he arrives in the U.S. with his questions. I think it is still premature to conclude; "The parents are jerks and it appears that the older brother inherited all of that from both of them". I agree though that it is possible.

[grantcart]

42. No there is no speculation regarding the refugee part of it.

I moved 500,000 refugees and am intimately involved in all aspects of refugee migration from all parts of the world.

Once a person claims refugee status they then go through an extensive process where they have to proof "a well founded fear of persecution".

Once they have refugee status they are not immediately put in a conveyor belt for a permanent stay in the US. There is one golden rule to refugee resettlement: Family reunion. If there is any relative in an asylum country they are first processed with an offer of asylum to that country. There are two reasons for this: When extended families are resettled together they have better support systems and it helps keep every single refugee from trying to get to the US.

Because the family's sister was already a resident in Canada six years before and had a law degree and the refugee apparatus would have made sure that they had an offer to Canada before processing them for the US.

They were very clever about coming here, coming under a tourist visa. These is not a family that is uneducated or illiterate, they are very sophisticated and well populated with lawyers.

The father is not unfamiliar with the US, having lived here an extended period of time before returning to his homeland. He left his sons here and his youngest son became an American citizen at a very quick rate.

Obviously I am not advocating ridiculing anyone but the idea that this family's statements should receive special consideration because of baggage from Russia and their ignorance of the US doesn't hold. They conspired to come here after 9/11 and were very savvy about it. They stayed here and received tremendous hospitality from the people of Boston.

The ridiculous statements of the father and mother (and to a lesser extent the aunt in Canada) should be judged on what they say.

On the other hand statements by the uncle from NJ (?) who is praying for redemption for his nephew should be applauded for being compassionate to the victims and his nephew under very difficult circumstances in a second language.

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. Thanks for your insights on the refugee process

It clearly establishes that the family chose the U.S. for some specific reason that was more important to them than family reunification. I wasn't suggesting any glaring unfamiliarity with the U.S. on their part. I was observing that there are many born and bred here, including friends of mine with advanced degrees, who harbor deep suspicions about our government ("Truthers" in their case) so I do not rule out that people who are refugees from a more totalitarian state than the U.S. might harbor suspicions about what our Federal government is capable of doing also.

[Cha]

68. Interesting. thanks grantcart

I agree..

The uncle, Rusian Tsarni lives in Maryland.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/04/ruslan-tsarni-uncle-of-boston-bombing-suspects-lives-in-maryland-87719.html

[frylock]

44. very reasonably stated

[Trajan]

11. This needed the "BIG LETTER" treatment?

I think not ...

[DonViejo]

14. I posted it exactly as the AP published it...

under their "BIG STORY" section but, I agree with you

[SunSeeker]

26. LBN posting rules require you post the title of the article exactly as it appears.

And the article has the title in all caps. Seems that's the way all stories' titles are styled on that AP site.

[Marrah_G]

16. Maybe he should take some time to visit his youngest son too!

[yellowcanine]

18. Anzor Tsarnaev told The Associated Press that he has "lots of questions for the police"

Likewise I am sure.

[Sunlei]

21. I guess he's allowed to visit his son.

[Beacool]

24. Mr Tsarnaev: SHUT UP!!!

You and the aunt in Canada just shut the f*ck up already!!!

Your precious kids blew up dozens of people, killing 3 of them, then shot and killed a police officer and left a host of other people with life threatening injuries and amputations.

The hell with both your kids!!!

[tblue]

31. Have a heart.

Can you imagine how he feels? Sadness, anger, desperation, fear. This dad is not the one who committed these crimes. He's a father who loves his kids. I can't fault him for trying to help them. There's nothing I wouldn't do for my kid.

[AtheistCrusader]

33. Little late for him to be worrying about 'helping them'.

[tblue]

35. He's doing what he can.

At least in his own mind. My gosh, I don't understand the invective directed at the parents. Let them go through the stages. They will, whether you like it or not.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. I don't have a problem with the parents insofar as they are responsible.

They aren't, most likely. (Unknown at least)

Where I feel they jumped the shark was to start looking for excuses, and blaming the FBI.

[Papagoose]

38. I hate watching family members take punishment for the crimes of others

My father and mother were convicted of several crimes and spent some time in prison (my dad died there). I have never been suspected or accused of a crime in my life other than a speeding ticket. Twenty years later, I still get treated like crap by people for the crimes of my parents. People, particularly on the internet, get some sort of pleasure from hating others - and in this case, I guess it's easy for them to throw hatred at the person who gave life to these men.

[AtheistCrusader]

57. Did you ever deflect or deny, blaming Law Enforcement for setting your parents up?

I don't believe in the 'sins of the father' either, and wouldn't cause you trouble over that.

If you went through the world pretending your parent's problems were anyone other than their problems, I might think negatively of you. That's all.

[Ash_F]

63. This just happened, chill out.

They'll probably come to their senses in time.

[Beacool]

67. My post was not about hating the father.

My anger at him and the aunt is at their belief that the two darlings were set up. The aunt was saying that the videos were fake and a lot of other crap. They are not at fault for the actions of their relatives, but at least show remorse for their actions. I would be devastated if a close relative committed such a horrible crime.

I'm sorry if people were cruel to you, that was uncalled for. I hope that you have moved on and have a good life now.

[Beacool]

65. It's not his pain that angers me.

It's his insistence that his boys were framed. Ditto for the aunt.

[harmonicon]

56. I guess everyone you've ever loved has never made a mistake. (nt)

[Beacool]

66. A mistake??????

Blowing up people at a marathon is a mistake? It's a heinous act that is inexcusable. That was not a mistake. A mistake is having a few drinks too many and coming home drunk after curfew, not setting bombs that killed and maimed people. One can get a kid grounded, the other one can get him on death row.

I understand the father's pain, but not his insistence that his kids were set up.

[Dollface]

47. Speaking of filling heads with hate...

[SunSeeker]

52. I'm sure this guy who threatened us with "all hell breaking loose" appreciates you defending him.

Per ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspects-dad-tells-son-surrender-hell/story?id=18995936):

The elder Tsarnaev, in a series of conversations with ABC News, insisted his sons were innocent, but said he would appeal to his son to "surrender peacefully."

"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia," the dad said.

The father warned, however, "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."

"If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame," the father told ABC News. "Someone, some organization is out to get them."

[AtheistCrusader]

58. +1

[closeupready]

60. Is that so, Latoya? Can I get tomorrow's lottery numbers, while

you are at this crystal ball bullshit, reading people's minds, having the facts nobody else has yet discovered? Wow.

[AtheistCrusader]

32. Who gives a shit what this moron thinks.

The Uncle said all that needed saying.

[Dollface]

48. I'm surprised you didn't spell it moran.

[AtheistCrusader]

49. I can't identify his political affiliation.

So giving him the benefit of the doubt on that score.

[harmonicon]

59. *sigh* (nt)

[AtheistCrusader]

62. *shrug* (nt)

[DeschutesRiver]

64. If Daddy comes to the U.S., he may not leave - they are searching a parking lot in Cambridge he used

to repair cars here in the U.S. Just read this on another thread here.

Don't know what they are looking for - but if they find something linked to daddy, then maybe daddy was behind this in some way. And if that is the case, daddy will be regretting his visit to "clear up things" with the police here.

Or maybe daddy's real reason for a visit is to make some more bombs to ignite so he can avenge his son's death, you know, that whole "all hell is going to break loose" statement he made. Just speculation of course, but it will be interesting to see if the searchers find what they are looking for in daddy's former business here in the U.S. and to learn what if anything was going on under everyone's noses. I am not sure yet which years daddy lived here, ie how long ago.