Parents of Boston Suspect Describe His Russia Trip.
Source: nyt/ap
MAKHACHKALA, Russia (AP) The parents of Tamerlan Tsarnaev insisted Sunday that he came to Dagestan and Chechnya last year to visit relatives and had nothing to do with the militants operating in the volatile part of Russia, with his father saying he slept a lot of the time. But the Boston bombing suspect couldn't have been immune to the attacks that savaged the region during his six-month stay.
Investigators are now focusing on the trip that Tsarnaev made to Russia in January 2012 that has raised many questions. His father said his son stayed with him in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, where the family lived briefly before moving to the U.S. a decade ago. The father had only recently returned.
"He was here, with me in Makhachkala," Anzor Tsarnaev told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "He slept until 3 p.m., and you know, I would ask him: 'Have you come here to sleep?' He used to go visiting, here and there. He would go to eat somewhere. Then he would come back and go to bed."
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/04/21/world/europe/ap-eu-russia-boston-suspects.html?hp
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)crim son
(27,462 posts)Not knowing a thing about the healthcare system in his native country, I still assumed his return had something to do with that. Mom's shoplifting charge may also have had something to do with it.
No Vested Interest
(5,157 posts)and leaves his American wife and baby, who apparently returned to her parents during his absence. Unless she's worked, her parents were likely supporting wife and baby.
Tamerlan reportedly told one of his relatives that his work was fixing cars. Again, not sure how he and brother got income for rent, food, car, gas, let alone money to make weapons of mass destruction.
Very peculiar goings-on.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)I heard this early on after the suspects were identified, so I have no idea if it's true.
No Vested Interest
(5,157 posts)Tonight I heard Tamerlan delivered pizzas.
Wife's parents live in RI and are (according to report) a physician and a nurse.
Tamerlan's wife converted to Islam when she married him.
Perhaps it's all of the above and more.
I believe they are one of those families that say whatever fits the moment most appropriately.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)story was full of shit.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Warpy
(110,913 posts)My parents simply decided they didn't want to know since they'd had their own misspent youths. Good thing, I might have put them into early graves with mine.
Likely he "visited" with people who worked all day and assembled bombs and booby traps all night.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)"Truthers" if you will.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The Russian government had spotted him for some reason which they failed to explain to our government. Had the Russians cooperated with our authorities, this could have been avoided. Or, alternatively, if we had a better relationship with the Russian government on these issues?
Or as another alternative, was the Russian government involved in the entire thing? Was this an attempt to get the US involved in Chechnya?
This is a can of worms.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)AnneD
(15,774 posts)other countries report our goverments goings on more truthfully than our local media.
I give the BBC, Al Jeezera, and RT more credit on coverage of the US, but I don't trust their local country coverage, or their reports in our country if they might have self interests.
My very wise Great Grandfather was fond of saying don't believe anything you read and half of what you hear or see.
csziggy
(34,120 posts)By Tim Lister and Paul Cruickshank, CNN
updated 6:14 PM EDT, Sun April 21, 2013
(CNN) -- Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev appears to have posted and then removed a video of a jihadist leader who was later killed by Russian troops.
A CNN analysis of Tsarnaev's YouTube channel has established that one deleted video under a sub-heading "Terrorists" featured a militant named Abu Dujana, whose real name was Gadzhimurad Dolgatov. CNN has located a video clip of the footage in question.
Russian security services killed Dolgatov in December during an assault on an apartment in Makhachkala, the capital of the Russian Caucasus republic of Dagestan. Dolgatov led a small militant group in Dagestan that had links to the main Islamist militant group in the region, Imarat Kavkaz.
Tsarnaev created a YouTube channel in August 2012, shortly after returning from a visit to Russia. Two videos posted under a category labeled "Terrorists" were deleted, but it wasn't clear when or by whom.
More: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/brother-religious-language/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Apparently Tamerlan Tsarnaev had computer links to Caucasus Emirate the group that Dolgatov led. He may not have been an "official" member of the group but he did seem to have an interest in their philosophy.
appleannie1
(5,044 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,477 posts)Geez, they think we're stupid. Maybe we are. Not this time.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)they claimed was out to kill them. Who the hell does that? What changed? There's something very shady about these folks, and I don't believe anything out of their mouths.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)Where do they currently live and what contact have they had with the family recently. Age wise I believe they are sandwiched between the two sons. I'm surprise they have received no attention.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)youngest was still a minor, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your kids in the care of responsible relatives, but it just seems weird that they would have left the youngest. I understand the father is terminal, and wanted to die in his home country, and he's returning here on Wednesday.
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)These boys did not get their ideology in a vacuum. I think this dad is up to his eyeballs in the craziness his sons were into. That is why their uncle (apparently the only sane member of the family) cut ties with the whole family.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Except the uncle. The more we know, the worse it gets.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'm not going to touch that one with a 10 ft pole. That one is ripe from some additional jokes.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Based on what I've seen they seem like an unstable bunch. I think even the uncle has walked back the initial comments he made on CNN (unless it was perhaps another uncle I saw in a subsequent interview).
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)in foreign country's? Many forget that we have a spy agency that for the most part, try's to do good. If I was an agent, I would find out who knows these people in their home town and buy them a shot a vodka, several shots. Peace.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The bombs he made are identical to the bombings in Bangalore, Pune and Hyderabad in India, planted by ISI sponsored terrorists.
The same bomb-maker taught them how to make the bombs.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)are pro-Taliban.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Pakistan's intelligence agency InterServices Intelligence. It is responsible for cultivating, recruiting, training, funding and arming a whole lot of terrorist groups such as Al Q'aeda, Taliban, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad etc.
It has also been involved in training terrorists all over the world like in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Yemen, Sudan, Kashmir, Xin Jiang, Chechnya, Dagestan and Mindanao.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There is an uneasy alliance (or truce) with all the nations that can nuke each other. Thanks for that information.
Pakistan is a cinder keg that bears being closely watched. 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer' applies when you can't conquer an adversary of some kind.
hexola
(4,835 posts)A video and some simple instructions should be sufficient...what would be gained by all the intrigue?
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)as simple as some in the media make it out to be...Especially making two bombs explode seconds apart. This takes practiced & even then some do not get it right like the Times Square wannabe bomber who we know went to Pakistan for training.
I personally think he got training from other radicalized Chechens while he was there for 6 months...Supposedly sleeping everyday while his wife & kids were alone.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)perhaps the FBI will now review the info, the warning they got from the Russian authorities back in 2011.?
We put enough billions into 'Homeland security' to sink our country.
The FBI needs to get off their focus on script kiddies, the occupy people and animal rights people, get to more important things FIRST.
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)thought he was. Apparently, they initially got wind of Tamerlan through email communications with someone in Russia. And how do you know these two brothers weren't part of "occupy people" or "animal rights people"? Do you know every participant personally?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)the bombs went off. All the Boston Police in the pic were facing away from that side of the street. You think they would be trained to watch the people on both sides, notice heavy backpacks and a bag placed in the road.
The FBI got 'wind of him' through info sent to them from Russia. They should have been watching the changes of his lifes situtation, loss of citizenship chance,Mom deported for shoplifting, 6 month trip to a bad area of Russia.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)End of story. We have a strained, to say the least, relationship with Russia. It's anyone's guess as to why Russia stopped cooperating with us on this guy. Either they decided he wasn't a threat, or they chose not to help us follow through with the necessary intelligence. We don't have agents on the ground in Russia, and the sharing of information is purely voluntary.
It's amazing to see DU's amateur sleuths, with the benefit of full hindsight, saying what "The Feds" should've done. Mike Rogers, Intelligence Committee Chair, claims that Russia just stopped sharing information on this guy. And then there's confusion about a typo.
Article from Slate:
Did the FBI Miss Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Trip to Russia Because of a Typo?
By Josh Voorhees
Posted Monday, April 22, 2013, at 12:14 PM
Over the weekend, lawmakers from both parties raised questions about why Tamerlan Tsarnaev's six-month trip to Russia in 2011-12 apparently went unnoticed by the FBI, despite the fact he had already been investigated for possible ties to extremist groups. GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, who was among the FBI's most vocal critics on Sunday, thinks he now has the answer to that question: Tamerlan Tsarnaev's name was misspelled by the airline. Politico snags the relevant quotes from Graham's Fox News interview this morning:
"He went over to Russia, but apparently when he got on the airplane, they misspelled his name, so it never went into the system that he actually went to Russia," Graham said on Fox News, saying he spoke to an assistant director of the FBI. ... "One of two things happened," Graham said Monday on Fox News, "the FBI either dropped the ball or our system doesnt allow the FBI to follow this guy in an appropriate fashion. I think once the Russians made the request, the FBI did a good job of looking at him. The reason we didnt know he went to Russia is because the name was misspelled."
The FBI has confirmed that it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two brothers authorities say were behind last week's Boston Marathon bombings, in 2011 at the request of a foreign government, which officials have since identified as Russia. The FBI, however, says that its agents didn't find any evidence of sucpicious activity and, as a result, closed the case. Here's the official statement from Friday night: ..........
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/22/tamerlan_tsarnaev_russia_trip_is_an_airline_to_blame_for_the_fbi_not_knowing.html
moondust
(19,917 posts)As such, he may fear some kind of legal or "extralegal" consequences brought to bear on the family if he admits to anything.
I *heard* that he worked as a mechanic in the U.S. because he was not trained in U.S. law.
elleng
(130,156 posts)wherever he was before he left, ?Russia? due to some sort of difficulty, sought and received asylum and worked on cars here, and then back 'home' again, where #1 worked with him on cars. Couldn't go back to practicing law there.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)For 6 months? I haven't heard anything to the contrary. An attorney for the wife claims she knew nothing.
When he left did she know that it would be for 6 months? She has a lot of explaining to do. And all of this is after he beat the crap out of her. What was her relationship with her family as all of this was going on? They had to be extremely troubled by these events. Have the authorities spoken with her parents? The attorney is currently blocking the authorities from speaking with the wife but that block cannot last long. Will she then take the 5th Amendment? That would probably lead the authorities to consider her as having at least a passive role in the plot. Her attorney better know what he is doing and it is not about making a name for himself.
elleng
(130,156 posts)DallasNE
(7,392 posts)I read that she worked 70-80 hours a week to support the family. She must have worked two jobs because nobody would fork out that kind of overtime pay. Rather than walking away from him after he beat the crap out of her she married him and gave birth to his child. Frankly, I feel sorry for her the way she was used and abused. And that is why I am curious with the relationship she had with her parents prior to the Marathon terrorist attack. After all, her friends all abandon her after she went back with him after the assault. How deeply did he draw her into this?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The rest of his family I have no sympathy for.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)And the Father as well IF it is determined he knew nothing about this. YES, the Father has made some outrageous statements but he is used to the Russian authorities framing Chechens for bombings in the past they did not do. They were his boys so I am not surprised he tried to stick up for them...It will take time for this to sink in if it ever does.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)They are saying the same exact thing. I think even the uncle has started towing the family line with the conspiracy shit.
The wife and child of the older brother, they deserved better.
HowardTheDuck
(8 posts)How do we go about 40 replies or so and counting, talking about a couple of dudes from Russia in Cambridge Mass., but no one here mentions the Russian spies(protected by the FBI for 10 years since 2001) that were rounded up in 2010 in Cambridge Mass.
HowardTheDuck
(8 posts)I would think it would be an interesting angle to understanding what is going on in Cambridge? The fact that under Bush, the FBI allowed the Russian spies to freely move around in the U.S.A. and only ended in 2010. Kind of odd for the FBI to do that? And that when they were doing their business, the spies were targeting Democrats. This benefits two groups. Republicans and Russians as far as I can tell while definitely harming Muslims. But of course, it is perfectly ok to connect the dots with Muslims and trace deeper conspiracies... if this has been Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan or Yemen or Somalia, or some third world place, it would be ok. Maybe the perpetrator has to be X pigmentation before it is ok to trace a nasty conspiracy back to the host country? Dunno... just thought the connection here is worthy of a deeper look. Guess not. Anyone taking a look at that Aunt of the bombers who was doing their paperwork around 2001? Don't see her mentioned anywhere on this page. She seems interesting too.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)wasn't he on a no fly list there? what steps did russia take to monitor his activies when he was there?
LisaL
(44,962 posts)He was born there.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)travelled to Russia. I can't remember which panelist it was, but he seemed to think there's a strong indication that Tamerlan didn't enter the country as Tamerlan.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)But other than that, I don't believe he used an assumed identity.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)Lindsey Graham: Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Name Misspelled On 2011 Russia Trip Records
04/22/13 12:06 PM ET EDT
WASHINGTON -- A Republican senator says the name of Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv ) the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing who died in a firefight with police was misspelled on his 2011 trip to Russia.
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Tsarnaev's correct name never went into "the system," and this thwarted the FBI in discovering the six-month trip. Graham said on Fox News that he spoke to the assistant director of the FBI on Sunday night.
Graham's spokesman, Kevin Bishop, confirmed the senator's comments on Monday
Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee, had said Sunday that Tsarnaev may have used an alias to travel to Russia. Rogers made the comments on NBC.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/lindsey-graham-tamerlan-tsarnaev_n_3132495.html
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)as someone who suffers from bad depression that description of his son sounds like it could be depression to me. I know in recent months all that I can do is sleep, do a few things here and there before getting exhausted again. Not that this excuses anything he did in the slightest. Just my 2 cents.
elleng
(130,156 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)the wacko religious fringe. Of course he might already have been indoctrinated by then and might not have been depressed. We don't have much to go on.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)How did he draw his brother in then. And where was his wife through all of this. She is in the medical field, after all. Lots of implausible items floating around that currently make no sense.