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elleng

(130,156 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:09 PM Apr 2013

Parents of Boston Suspect Describe His Russia Trip.

Source: nyt/ap

MAKHACHKALA, Russia (AP) — The parents of Tamerlan Tsarnaev insisted Sunday that he came to Dagestan and Chechnya last year to visit relatives and had nothing to do with the militants operating in the volatile part of Russia, with his father saying he slept a lot of the time. But the Boston bombing suspect couldn't have been immune to the attacks that savaged the region during his six-month stay.

Investigators are now focusing on the trip that Tsarnaev made to Russia in January 2012 that has raised many questions. His father said his son stayed with him in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, where the family lived briefly before moving to the U.S. a decade ago. The father had only recently returned.

"He was here, with me in Makhachkala," Anzor Tsarnaev told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "He slept until 3 p.m., and you know, I would ask him: 'Have you come here to sleep?' He used to go visiting, here and there. He would go to eat somewhere. Then he would come back and go to bed."



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/04/21/world/europe/ap-eu-russia-boston-suspects.html?hp

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Parents of Boston Suspect Describe His Russia Trip. (Original Post) elleng Apr 2013 OP
I don't believe a word they say, on general principle. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #1
Anyone else find it strange that his father "recently returned" to Dagestan? nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #49
Sort of. And if the mom was a shoplifter, maybe she got deported. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #53
I read that he was ill with cancer. crim son Apr 2013 #54
So he goes to Russia for six months No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #2
I thought Ruslan said the father worked on cars. Didn't know Tamerlan did, but it makes sense. freshwest Apr 2013 #3
I heard his wife worked and he was a stay-at-home dad. City Lights Apr 2013 #10
The stories change and grow. No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #17
her family said she hadn;t seen him at all in over a year, so whoever fronted the stay at home dad bettyellen Apr 2013 #19
Got a link for that? LisaL Apr 2013 #22
Parents are often deluded about their kids. Warpy Apr 2013 #4
these parents of of the variety who believe Muslims are always victims of conspiracies. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #40
Why should we believe his parents' story. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #5
We should believe it because RT News says so davidpdx Apr 2013 #27
Good Rule of thumb..... AnneD Apr 2013 #38
Did the Russians know of Tamerlan's interest in this terrorist and his group? csziggy Apr 2013 #31
And why should we believe anything they say? appleannie1 Apr 2013 #6
Yeah. Right. Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #7
I'm sorry, but there's a reason these alledged "refugees" returned to the country.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #8
What About The Two Sisters DallasNE Apr 2013 #25
Good question. The media hasn't focused much on the sisters. When the parents returned, the.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #41
This from the same loon who threatened that "all hell would break loose" if Dzhokhar was killed. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #9
Exactly, this whole family sounds bat shit crazy. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #12
When I heard/saw the mother, she reminded me of Orly Taitz spewing her crazy conspiracy talk. nt DeschutesRiver Apr 2013 #18
Oh geez davidpdx Apr 2013 #29
I said something very similar yesterday davidpdx Apr 2013 #28
The CIA can operate GiveMeFreedom Apr 2013 #11
$20 says he went to Pakistan from Dagestan for a few weeks cosmicone Apr 2013 #13
*raises hand* What it the 'ISI'? Indian, Insurgent, huh. Please say who this is. freshwest Apr 2013 #14
ISI = Pakistan's version of the FBI and CIA all in one. Some of the ISI are pro US and some stevenleser Apr 2013 #32
ISI is cosmicone Apr 2013 #43
That is bad news. Not the greatest 'ally.' But they are in the nuclear club, so we can't avoid it. freshwest Apr 2013 #47
Why go all that distance to learn to do this? hexola Apr 2013 #16
Because making bombs is not... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #34
He went 'somewhere' that's the important info Sunlei Apr 2013 #15
Nice talking points, but even the Russians eventually decided that this guy wasn't the threat they.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #42
I meant the Feds didn't pay enough attention to him. Lets also get to the main pic when Sunlei Apr 2013 #48
The information they got initially from Russia was followed up, and then Russia stopped cooperating. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #55
The father has studied law and may be a lawyer. moondust Apr 2013 #20
He is/was a lawyer 'back home,' elleng Apr 2013 #21
He Left His Wife And Infant Child Home Alone DallasNE Apr 2013 #23
'SHE' has a lot of explaining to do? elleng Apr 2013 #24
Was She Really This Passive? DallasNE Apr 2013 #26
If that's true, she is the only victim in that family davidpdx Apr 2013 #30
I have sympathy for the Uncle... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #35
The father is just as nutty as the mother davidpdx Apr 2013 #36
Help me out here peeps HowardTheDuck Apr 2013 #33
Those Russian Spies in Cambridge 2001-2010, not interesting eh? HowardTheDuck Apr 2013 #56
If the russian government was fearful of him, why did they allow him to come to russia? bushisanidiot Apr 2013 #37
I believe he still was a Russian citizen. LisaL Apr 2013 #39
Someone on Diane Rehm's show posited that he may well have used an assumed identity when he.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #44
The name might have been spelled somewhat differently. LisaL Apr 2013 #45
Apparently, you're correct. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #46
Not that we should necessarily trust anything the father says but as someone who suffers from... Locut0s Apr 2013 #50
Good point and thank you. elleng Apr 2013 #51
And being depressed would leave him more open to being influence by... Locut0s Apr 2013 #52
That Is The "Loner" Profile DallasNE Apr 2013 #57

crim son

(27,462 posts)
54. I read that he was ill with cancer.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

Not knowing a thing about the healthcare system in his native country, I still assumed his return had something to do with that. Mom's shoplifting charge may also have had something to do with it.

No Vested Interest

(5,157 posts)
2. So he goes to Russia for six months
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

and leaves his American wife and baby, who apparently returned to her parents during his absence. Unless she's worked, her parents were likely supporting wife and baby.

Tamerlan reportedly told one of his relatives that his work was fixing cars. Again, not sure how he and brother got income for rent, food, car, gas, let alone money to make weapons of mass destruction.

Very peculiar goings-on.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
10. I heard his wife worked and he was a stay-at-home dad.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
Apr 2013

I heard this early on after the suspects were identified, so I have no idea if it's true.

No Vested Interest

(5,157 posts)
17. The stories change and grow.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:43 PM
Apr 2013

Tonight I heard Tamerlan delivered pizzas.
Wife's parents live in RI and are (according to report) a physician and a nurse.
Tamerlan's wife converted to Islam when she married him.

Perhaps it's all of the above and more.
I believe they are one of those families that say whatever fits the moment most appropriately.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. her family said she hadn;t seen him at all in over a year, so whoever fronted the stay at home dad
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:55 AM
Apr 2013

story was full of shit.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
4. Parents are often deluded about their kids.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:21 PM
Apr 2013

My parents simply decided they didn't want to know since they'd had their own misspent youths. Good thing, I might have put them into early graves with mine.

Likely he "visited" with people who worked all day and assembled bombs and booby traps all night.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
40. these parents of of the variety who believe Muslims are always victims of conspiracies.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

"Truthers" if you will.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. Why should we believe his parents' story.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:22 PM
Apr 2013

The Russian government had spotted him for some reason which they failed to explain to our government. Had the Russians cooperated with our authorities, this could have been avoided. Or, alternatively, if we had a better relationship with the Russian government on these issues?

Or as another alternative, was the Russian government involved in the entire thing? Was this an attempt to get the US involved in Chechnya?

This is a can of worms.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
38. Good Rule of thumb.....
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

other countries report our goverments goings on more truthfully than our local media.
I give the BBC, Al Jeezera, and RT more credit on coverage of the US, but I don't trust their local country coverage, or their reports in our country if they might have self interests.


My very wise Great Grandfather was fond of saying don't believe anything you read and half of what you hear or see.

csziggy

(34,120 posts)
31. Did the Russians know of Tamerlan's interest in this terrorist and his group?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:28 AM
Apr 2013
Dead Boston bomb suspect posted video of jihadist, analysis shows
By Tim Lister and Paul Cruickshank, CNN
updated 6:14 PM EDT, Sun April 21, 2013

(CNN) -- Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev appears to have posted and then removed a video of a jihadist leader who was later killed by Russian troops.

A CNN analysis of Tsarnaev's YouTube channel has established that one deleted video under a sub-heading "Terrorists" featured a militant named Abu Dujana, whose real name was Gadzhimurad Dolgatov. CNN has located a video clip of the footage in question.

Russian security services killed Dolgatov in December during an assault on an apartment in Makhachkala, the capital of the Russian Caucasus republic of Dagestan. Dolgatov led a small militant group in Dagestan that had links to the main Islamist militant group in the region, Imarat Kavkaz.

Tsarnaev created a YouTube channel in August 2012, shortly after returning from a visit to Russia. Two videos posted under a category labeled "Terrorists" were deleted, but it wasn't clear when or by whom.

More: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/brother-religious-language/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Apparently Tamerlan Tsarnaev had computer links to Caucasus Emirate the group that Dolgatov led. He may not have been an "official" member of the group but he did seem to have an interest in their philosophy.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
8. I'm sorry, but there's a reason these alledged "refugees" returned to the country....
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:32 PM
Apr 2013

they claimed was out to kill them. Who the hell does that? What changed? There's something very shady about these folks, and I don't believe anything out of their mouths.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
25. What About The Two Sisters
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:28 AM
Apr 2013

Where do they currently live and what contact have they had with the family recently. Age wise I believe they are sandwiched between the two sons. I'm surprise they have received no attention.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
41. Good question. The media hasn't focused much on the sisters. When the parents returned, the....
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:21 PM
Apr 2013

youngest was still a minor, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your kids in the care of responsible relatives, but it just seems weird that they would have left the youngest. I understand the father is terminal, and wanted to die in his home country, and he's returning here on Wednesday.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
9. This from the same loon who threatened that "all hell would break loose" if Dzhokhar was killed.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:16 PM
Apr 2013

These boys did not get their ideology in a vacuum. I think this dad is up to his eyeballs in the craziness his sons were into. That is why their uncle (apparently the only sane member of the family) cut ties with the whole family.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. Exactly, this whole family sounds bat shit crazy.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

Except the uncle. The more we know, the worse it gets.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
29. Oh geez
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:10 AM
Apr 2013

I'm not going to touch that one with a 10 ft pole. That one is ripe from some additional jokes.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
28. I said something very similar yesterday
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:08 AM
Apr 2013

Based on what I've seen they seem like an unstable bunch. I think even the uncle has walked back the initial comments he made on CNN (unless it was perhaps another uncle I saw in a subsequent interview).

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
11. The CIA can operate
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:02 PM
Apr 2013

in foreign country's? Many forget that we have a spy agency that for the most part, try's to do good. If I was an agent, I would find out who knows these people in their home town and buy them a shot a vodka, several shots. Peace.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
13. $20 says he went to Pakistan from Dagestan for a few weeks
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Apr 2013

The bombs he made are identical to the bombings in Bangalore, Pune and Hyderabad in India, planted by ISI sponsored terrorists.

The same bomb-maker taught them how to make the bombs.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
32. ISI = Pakistan's version of the FBI and CIA all in one. Some of the ISI are pro US and some
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 07:12 AM
Apr 2013

are pro-Taliban.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
43. ISI is
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

Pakistan's intelligence agency InterServices Intelligence. It is responsible for cultivating, recruiting, training, funding and arming a whole lot of terrorist groups such as Al Q'aeda, Taliban, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad etc.

It has also been involved in training terrorists all over the world like in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Yemen, Sudan, Kashmir, Xin Jiang, Chechnya, Dagestan and Mindanao.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
47. That is bad news. Not the greatest 'ally.' But they are in the nuclear club, so we can't avoid it.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:57 PM
Apr 2013

There is an uneasy alliance (or truce) with all the nations that can nuke each other. Thanks for that information.

Pakistan is a cinder keg that bears being closely watched. 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer' applies when you can't conquer an adversary of some kind.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
16. Why go all that distance to learn to do this?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:27 PM
Apr 2013

A video and some simple instructions should be sufficient...what would be gained by all the intrigue?

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
34. Because making bombs is not...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:11 AM
Apr 2013

as simple as some in the media make it out to be...Especially making two bombs explode seconds apart. This takes practiced & even then some do not get it right like the Times Square wannabe bomber who we know went to Pakistan for training.

I personally think he got training from other radicalized Chechens while he was there for 6 months...Supposedly sleeping everyday while his wife & kids were alone.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. He went 'somewhere' that's the important info
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:18 PM
Apr 2013

perhaps the FBI will now review the info, the warning they got from the Russian authorities back in 2011.?

We put enough billions into 'Homeland security' to sink our country.

The FBI needs to get off their focus on script kiddies, the occupy people and animal rights people, get to more important things FIRST.

.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
42. Nice talking points, but even the Russians eventually decided that this guy wasn't the threat they..
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

thought he was. Apparently, they initially got wind of Tamerlan through email communications with someone in Russia. And how do you know these two brothers weren't part of "occupy people" or "animal rights people"? Do you know every participant personally?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
48. I meant the Feds didn't pay enough attention to him. Lets also get to the main pic when
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:31 PM
Apr 2013

the bombs went off. All the Boston Police in the pic were facing away from that side of the street. You think they would be trained to watch the people on both sides, notice heavy backpacks and a bag placed in the road.

The FBI got 'wind of him' through info sent to them from Russia. They should have been watching the changes of his lifes situtation, loss of citizenship chance,Mom deported for shoplifting, 6 month trip to a bad area of Russia.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
55. The information they got initially from Russia was followed up, and then Russia stopped cooperating.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:33 PM
Apr 2013

End of story. We have a strained, to say the least, relationship with Russia. It's anyone's guess as to why Russia stopped cooperating with us on this guy. Either they decided he wasn't a threat, or they chose not to help us follow through with the necessary intelligence. We don't have agents on the ground in Russia, and the sharing of information is purely voluntary.

It's amazing to see DU's amateur sleuths, with the benefit of full hindsight, saying what "The Feds" should've done. Mike Rogers, Intelligence Committee Chair, claims that Russia just stopped sharing information on this guy. And then there's confusion about a typo.

Article from Slate:

Did the FBI Miss Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Trip to Russia Because of a Typo?
By Josh Voorhees
Posted Monday, April 22, 2013, at 12:14 PM

Over the weekend, lawmakers from both parties raised questions about why Tamerlan Tsarnaev's six-month trip to Russia in 2011-12 apparently went unnoticed by the FBI, despite the fact he had already been investigated for possible ties to extremist groups. GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, who was among the FBI's most vocal critics on Sunday, thinks he now has the answer to that question: Tamerlan Tsarnaev's name was misspelled by the airline. Politico snags the relevant quotes from Graham's Fox News interview this morning:

"He went over to Russia, but apparently when he got on the airplane, they misspelled his name, so it never went into the system that he actually went to Russia," Graham said on Fox News, saying he spoke to an assistant director of the FBI. ... "One of two things happened," Graham said Monday on Fox News, "the FBI either dropped the ball or our system doesn’t allow the FBI to follow this guy in an appropriate fashion. I think once the Russians made the request, the FBI did a good job of looking at him. The reason we didn’t know he went to Russia is because the name was misspelled."

The FBI has confirmed that it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two brothers authorities say were behind last week's Boston Marathon bombings, in 2011 at the request of a foreign government, which officials have since identified as Russia. The FBI, however, says that its agents didn't find any evidence of sucpicious activity and, as a result, closed the case. Here's the official statement from Friday night: ..........

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/22/tamerlan_tsarnaev_russia_trip_is_an_airline_to_blame_for_the_fbi_not_knowing.html

moondust

(19,917 posts)
20. The father has studied law and may be a lawyer.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:02 AM
Apr 2013

As such, he may fear some kind of legal or "extralegal" consequences brought to bear on the family if he admits to anything.

I *heard* that he worked as a mechanic in the U.S. because he was not trained in U.S. law.

elleng

(130,156 posts)
21. He is/was a lawyer 'back home,'
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:07 AM
Apr 2013

wherever he was before he left, ?Russia? due to some sort of difficulty, sought and received asylum and worked on cars here, and then back 'home' again, where #1 worked with him on cars. Couldn't go back to practicing law there.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
23. He Left His Wife And Infant Child Home Alone
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:23 AM
Apr 2013

For 6 months? I haven't heard anything to the contrary. An attorney for the wife claims she knew nothing.

When he left did she know that it would be for 6 months? She has a lot of explaining to do. And all of this is after he beat the crap out of her. What was her relationship with her family as all of this was going on? They had to be extremely troubled by these events. Have the authorities spoken with her parents? The attorney is currently blocking the authorities from speaking with the wife but that block cannot last long. Will she then take the 5th Amendment? That would probably lead the authorities to consider her as having at least a passive role in the plot. Her attorney better know what he is doing and it is not about making a name for himself.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
26. Was She Really This Passive?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:42 AM
Apr 2013

I read that she worked 70-80 hours a week to support the family. She must have worked two jobs because nobody would fork out that kind of overtime pay. Rather than walking away from him after he beat the crap out of her she married him and gave birth to his child. Frankly, I feel sorry for her the way she was used and abused. And that is why I am curious with the relationship she had with her parents prior to the Marathon terrorist attack. After all, her friends all abandon her after she went back with him after the assault. How deeply did he draw her into this?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
30. If that's true, she is the only victim in that family
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:12 AM
Apr 2013

The rest of his family I have no sympathy for.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
35. I have sympathy for the Uncle...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:20 AM
Apr 2013

And the Father as well IF it is determined he knew nothing about this. YES, the Father has made some outrageous statements but he is used to the Russian authorities framing Chechens for bombings in the past they did not do. They were his boys so I am not surprised he tried to stick up for them...It will take time for this to sink in if it ever does.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
36. The father is just as nutty as the mother
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:36 AM
Apr 2013

They are saying the same exact thing. I think even the uncle has started towing the family line with the conspiracy shit.

The wife and child of the older brother, they deserved better.

 

HowardTheDuck

(8 posts)
33. Help me out here peeps
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:38 AM
Apr 2013

How do we go about 40 replies or so and counting, talking about a couple of dudes from Russia in Cambridge Mass., but no one here mentions the Russian spies(protected by the FBI for 10 years since 2001) that were rounded up in 2010 in Cambridge Mass.

 

HowardTheDuck

(8 posts)
56. Those Russian Spies in Cambridge 2001-2010, not interesting eh?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:09 PM
Apr 2013

I would think it would be an interesting angle to understanding what is going on in Cambridge? The fact that under Bush, the FBI allowed the Russian spies to freely move around in the U.S.A. and only ended in 2010. Kind of odd for the FBI to do that? And that when they were doing their business, the spies were targeting Democrats. This benefits two groups. Republicans and Russians as far as I can tell while definitely harming Muslims. But of course, it is perfectly ok to connect the dots with Muslims and trace deeper conspiracies... if this has been Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan or Yemen or Somalia, or some third world place, it would be ok. Maybe the perpetrator has to be X pigmentation before it is ok to trace a nasty conspiracy back to the host country? Dunno... just thought the connection here is worthy of a deeper look. Guess not. Anyone taking a look at that Aunt of the bombers who was doing their paperwork around 2001? Don't see her mentioned anywhere on this page. She seems interesting too.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
37. If the russian government was fearful of him, why did they allow him to come to russia?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:44 AM
Apr 2013

wasn't he on a no fly list there? what steps did russia take to monitor his activies when he was there?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
44. Someone on Diane Rehm's show posited that he may well have used an assumed identity when he....
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

travelled to Russia. I can't remember which panelist it was, but he seemed to think there's a strong indication that Tamerlan didn't enter the country as Tamerlan.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
45. The name might have been spelled somewhat differently.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

But other than that, I don't believe he used an assumed identity.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
46. Apparently, you're correct.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013
Lindsey Graham: Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Name Misspelled On 2011 Russia Trip Records

04/22/13 12:06 PM ET EDT

WASHINGTON -- A Republican senator says the name of Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv ) – the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing who died in a firefight with police – was misspelled on his 2011 trip to Russia.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Tsarnaev's correct name never went into "the system," and this thwarted the FBI in discovering the six-month trip. Graham said on Fox News that he spoke to the assistant director of the FBI on Sunday night.

Graham's spokesman, Kevin Bishop, confirmed the senator's comments on Monday

Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee, had said Sunday that Tsarnaev may have used an alias to travel to Russia. Rogers made the comments on NBC.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/lindsey-graham-tamerlan-tsarnaev_n_3132495.html

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
50. Not that we should necessarily trust anything the father says but as someone who suffers from...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:47 PM
Apr 2013

as someone who suffers from bad depression that description of his son sounds like it could be depression to me. I know in recent months all that I can do is sleep, do a few things here and there before getting exhausted again. Not that this excuses anything he did in the slightest. Just my 2 cents.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
52. And being depressed would leave him more open to being influence by...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

the wacko religious fringe. Of course he might already have been indoctrinated by then and might not have been depressed. We don't have much to go on.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
57. That Is The "Loner" Profile
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:16 PM
Apr 2013

How did he draw his brother in then. And where was his wife through all of this. She is in the medical field, after all. Lots of implausible items floating around that currently make no sense.

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