Mother of Boston bombing suspects arrested last year for 'stealing $1,600 worth of clothes

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Source: Daily Mail Reporter

The mother of the two Chechnyan brothers suspected of setting off two bombs at the Boston Marathon was arrested last year for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of clothes from the upscale department store Lord and Taylor.

Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, was charged with two counts of malicious/wanton damage and defacement to property after allegedly swiping the merchandise from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, Mass. in June 2012.




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Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, mother of the terrorist suspect brothers Dzokhar and Tamerlan






Mug Shot: Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva's two sons have been accused of planting the two bombs that exploded at the Boston Marathon on Monday. She was arrested last year for allegedly shoplifting from a Lord & Taylor

[DirkGently]

1. Interesting. Some of the critical video was from a Lord & Taylor

... so presumably one of the bombs was set near a Lord & Taylor?

[PerceptionManagement]

37. Lord & Taylor has done more good in the battle against terrorism than all of Chimpy's torture

[hedgehog]

47. Can I copy that to my Facebook?

[LovingA2andMI]

2. No wonder the Hubby and Wife high tailed it...

Back to Russia. They should have took their murderous pair of Son's with them.

[JimDandy]

22. Wouldn't that have been a felony

and therefore have made it impossible for her to become a U.S. citizen, if she had wanted to become one? And the oldest son assaulted his girlfriend. Also a felony and citizenship eliminating event?

For the father to go back to Russia, after immigrating under an amnesty application, is almost unheard of, according to a local newscaster, Anastasia Bolton, who is from Russia. The whole thing is odd--Jahar is the only one left eligible to become a citizen and does so on 9/11/2012.

Such a lot of symbolic dates he chooses: 9/11 and Patriot's day.

[City Lights]

40. I thought the mother was still living here.

Father went back to Russia.

On edit - Just read that mother also went back to Russia, so never mind...

[diabeticman]

3. Seriously what does this have to do with the suspects? Are we actaully going to start

judging people by relatives actions? This isn't real journalism it is gossip

[Trajan]

6. it wasn't 'we' til you decided to jump in

Why did you do that? .... correcting errant children?

[lolly]

18. Seriously.

We should be scolded for looking a public arrest records for the closest relatives of the objects of the biggest manhunt in years.

[midnight]

7. I agree....

[FBaggins]

10. The mother has been pretty vocal

Insisting that her sons were set up and couldn't possibly have done anything wrong. That they've been controlled by the FBI for years now.

It's certainly relevant to see that she's a less-than-credible witness.

[davidpdx]

15. I agree, though I wouldn't categorize her as a witness necessarily

but more as a source of information. She's making some strong accusations that her sons were victims of the US Government. Did the government force her to steal clothes as well?

The uncle seemed to have some very harsh words for his nephew. He seemed very creditable.

So yes, I definitely agree with you the mother's creditably is sketchy at best.

[brett_jv]

25. OH, GOD, please ... no ... is she really working that angle?

Then you KNOW ... that's ALL we're going to hear about from the paranoid Freeper-types all over the internet for the next 3 years.

I dunno know about you, but I, for one, can't WAIT

I'm sure it'll go totally over their heads that this exact 'conspiracy theory' has been circulated (by both sides of the aisle) in like 20 different cases, dating back to the Kennedy Assassination (at LEAST) ... they'll no doubt be convinced that there's just NO WAY she could've come up with a story like this on her own, like it's completely unprecendented ... and therefore, it MUST be true, and all part of a grand conspiracy by Obama to strip us of our civil rights.

[jessie04]

43. Could have been worse.

she could have blamed "imperialist and zionist" control.








off topic
She tried to steal $1600 and her 2nd son was proud of his $ 1000. 00 shoes.
The family likes good clothing.

[defacto7]

23. Two words...

Genetics... Upbringing...

They are not a judgment just indicators of possibility. There's nothing wrong with information.

[MADem]

26. Well, Mother is a thief. It's not a distant relative--it's mama. And that is probably why the

parents had to leave the country--it's all very well and good to immigrate, but if you misbehave in a felonious fashion -- and that was some serious larceny--we tend to not want to keep ya.

I know plenty of eighteen and nineteen year olds who can still benefit from the guidance of parents, and are not ready to live totally on their own. Maybe the young 'un would have avoided his fate if he had good parental role models around.

It is "real journalism" because it happened and it is part of the total picture.

Here's the police report in the Natick Patch: http://natick.patch.com/articles/arrests-1-600-in-clothes-stolen

7:42 p.m.: Loss prevention from Lord & Taylor called to report they had detained a shoplifter. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, of 410 Norfolk St., Apt. 3, Cambridge, was arrested and charged with larceny over $250 (women's clothing valued at $1,624), and two counts of malicious/wanton damage/defacement to property.

[Theyletmeeatcake2]

32. So f$)(&ing what....

Should we keep an eye on Wynona Ryders progeny ! This is Bullshit!!

[blue neen]

39. Winona Ryder and false equivalencies have nothing to do with this.

The fact that the mother of the Boston bombing suspects is a thief, left the country, and is making strange statements is relevant and noteworthy.

[MADem]

45. It's not bullshit. If you don't want to participate in this discussion--don't.

Anyone with a scintilla of national security or law enforcement experience understands the value of forensics--to include forensic examination of personal and family dynamics. And this family plainly had some fucked up dynamics--anyone watching the interviews with the relatives can see that, plain as day.

And when Wynona's progeny bombs an international marathon based in a major US city, we can talk. Or not--I really don't think you will have anything to contribute that I will find even remotely interesting or salient.

[BeyondGeography]

48. +1,000

Seeing your mom getting busted for shoplifting will do plenty to confirm that you're headed for a lifetime of fuckuppery yourself, especially if you are so inclined to have those fears. The older brother was lashing out at this country, felt he didn't fit in, wasn't going anywhere good and then Mom gets busted? Pass the ammunition and praise Allah. At the very least, the mother's arrest is relevant to any scenario of personal unhappiness that could explain his actions.

[freshwest]

28. This might explain Ruslan Tsarni's talk of a family rift.

He seemed pained describing it and it may have been he didn't want to be involved with them. That happens in families and it can tear them apart.

Some may think this story is the reason for the behavior of the sons but I don't. Because what they are accused of doing is much more serious than theft or domestic violence.

Nothing about this family or her sons should be used to incite prejudice against the many legal emigrants arriving here. And the family all came legally, no matter what happened later.

I understand your point but I guess some want details on the environment these two boys grew up in. Many people from criminal backgrounds don't commit mass murder, although they may get into other crimes.

What the two did, is their own responsibility and not that of the family, unless a connection is made to them. I don't think anyone is leaning that way.

[MADem]

46. No one is saying it is the "reason," however, shitty parenting produces shitty kids, often as not.

The child who is able to "rise above" is always looked to as a shining example of someone who "overcame" their lousy environment. They are regarded as rare because they ARE rare. For every Antwone Fisher, there are countless individuals serving long stretches in jail, some with no hope of parole, ever, who had a similar upbringing. No man--or woman, or child--is an island.

Children do learn what they live. If they're raised by selfish people, they will often be selfish. If they are raised by Republicans, they will--sometimes after a youthful rebellious dalliance--often return to the GOP fold. If they are raised by people with no moral center (lying, cheating, stealing is A-OK) they will learn that this is the way to go through life. Screw everyone else, just get yours. I think that's why uncle called that branch of the family "losers." And my sense was that his biggest issue wasn't with the father, but with the mother and the eldest son.

I think this youngest kid had a cheery, people-pleasing personality, but he was easily led, by a brother with no moral compass. And that shit is learned. He's 19--and he seems, based on his tweeting and interests, to be a "young" 19, as many kids are these days. The adolescent brain isn't fully integrated until age 26, so the scientists say. Time might reveal more--we'll just have to wait -n- see. JMO, but that's what it smells like to me.

In any event, the most he can bargain for is his life in a supermax. His only real hope of forstallieng a death sentence in a federal trial is if he coughs up a huge amount of intel, and if the families of the dead as well as the living victims show charity and compassion and ask that his life be spared.

[marshall]

31. These are their patents, not third or fourth cousins

They came here together and lived here together.

[diabeticman]

41. May I remind you of the strange lives of Steven and Cary Stayner

Steven was kidnapped held for several year before his escape/rescue... He unfortunately died a few years later in a car accident. NOW his brother Cary became "famous" in his own right--Cary was the man that killed those 4 women in Yellowstone park.

Had Steven lived would it be fair to just him by what his brother did?

Should the "sins" of the parent be visited upon the child?

How about this: Just because Jane Doe's father is a Drug addic does that mean Jane should be put in prison because of her "could be acts"?

I understand trying to understand the background of the family rift BUT I think the article was going for something different.

[MADem]

51. If one was kidnapped, then he wasn't raised by the parent(s) that raised the other kid.

The point is that both children were raised by the same parents, not different ones.

And they learned lessons from those parents.

[marshall]

55. I don't think one of the suspects as kidnapped

The uncle says the elder one was radicalized on a recent trip abroad, presumably in Chechnya.

[MADem]

62. The other poster is trying to insinuate an apples to oranges comparison and deny the influence of

parenting on the behaviors of individuals. He wants to divorce this influence from the discussion with a false "sins of the father" argument. The "kidnapped" child in his example was "parented" by a different individual. The persons he's talking about have nothing to do with these two brother-terrorists.

It's just a shitty analogy. The "sins of the father" (or the mother) are salient if the children are raised without any moral standards, and are taught to "get theirs" and be selfish and uncaring about everything from personal property to human life. That is the point I am making.

The older brother (Suspect Number One, the dead one) took a voluntary trip (as a mature married with child adult, not as a youngster) to Russia and it is believed he received "paramilitary" training in a radical AQ/AQ style training camp--something a bit more sophisticated than the old "monkey bars" footage we saw post-nahn wun wun.

Had he been raised in an atmosphere where diplomacy and compromise and high minded ideals held sway, as opposed to by a "loser" who, after being granted coveted refugee status with an understanding that good (i.e. non-criminal) behavior was part of the bargain, engaged in felony shoplifting and violent behavior when caught, he wouldn't have looked to violent solutions to "avenge" his feelings of cultural oppression.

[lolly]

60. So, we're being mean, persecuting them because their mother was a shoplifter?

And here I thought it was because they set off two bombs at the Boston Marathon.

Sorry, but none of those analogies make sense or have any application whatsoever to this case.

We wouldn't arrest Jane Doe for her father being an addict; if she were arrested, and it turned out her father was an addict, it might help us understand where her problems started.

We wouldn't hold it against the kidnapped brother that his younger brother became a killer--why would we?

OTOH, knowing what happened to Carey Stayner's brother gives us some hints about how and why he became to messed up.

[marble falls]

33. Thank you. My thought exactly.

[Posteritatis]

61. DU's always been a big fan of collective family guilt. (nt)

[amuse bouche]

4. Both parents were lawyers back in their country

The dad was nearly beaten to death by the KGB for helping his people. They were then

allowed to move here as political refugees

So, It's not like they were a couple of crack dealers

A tragedy all around

[lanlady]

8. not necessarily true

The aunt in Toronto stated that the father worked for law enforcement -- may imply he worked FOR the Russians (and against his own people).

And don't forget, the parents returned to Dagestan. Who ever heard of political refugees returning to the place they supposedly fled?

It's not called the KGB anymore -- it's the FSB (Federal Security Service).

But I agree with you that this is a tragedy all around!

[amuse bouche]

20. I'm going by an interview

I saw on MSNBC by a family who lived next door to them for years here

So go call her a liar

[John2]

30. Wait a minute now.

You said an aunt in Toronto, aren't the posts being further moved when it becomes now may imply?

This country has given asylum to people who escape countries we disagree with ideologically and listed as anti government in their countries. So is the implication Russia planted them in this country?

Chechnya was against Russia authority. I don't think anyone knows these guys motives and why they did this but as long as we are guessing, their motive could be political and maybe they wanted to influence Policy in this country.

Killings are going on every day in this World and in this country. Look at Sandy hook and look at Chicago. I live in a neighborhood being terrorized every day by some gang. Even some police terrorize sometimes. It is very easy to use knee jerk reactions and get people to do something that you want them to do. Like go out and attack Iraq. I think the news media is over playing this. So i would take this as guess work, just like I said in the above.

[JimDandy]

54. I think the felonies

committed by his family members dramatically changed the trajectory of his and all of their citizenship opportunities.

I don't know why he was initially granted asylum in the U.S. His wife's felony theft made her no longer eligible for U.S. citizenship, though, which meant SHE had to be deported. Perhaps he simply wanted to keep her in his life, more than he wanted citizenship here, or feared reprisals from Russia, if he accompanied her back to Deghan.

Yeah, NO... Russian reprisals can kill you. Something is off. But, never fear, the media will get the story soon and we won't have to speculate anymore.

[LisaL]

14. So he was supposedly badly beaten and yet he went back to Russia?

Why would he do that?

[amuse bouche]

19. They went back years later

I don't know the whole story. Only what I read online and an interview on MSNBC with a woman who used to live next door to them in the U.S

[meaculpa2011]

29. Every cab driver in NYC used to be...

a cardiologist in Minsk.

[amuse bouche]

36. I bet good money every cab driver does not say that

Clearly, you look down on them. Why lie?

[shanti]

59. not quite what i read

i read that the mother was a cosmetologist, not a lawyer. the father was a lawyer though.

[dmrtndl1]

5. kids do a bad thing, lets find a mug shot of any family member we can

[blue neen]

13. This woman's sons are not "kids".

IMHO, her own criminal activity is noteworthy.

[MjolnirTime]

9. was she deported for this?

[Lucky Luciano]

11. I guess we see where the "loser" genetics the uncle speaks of comes from. nt

[SoapBox]

12. So...I'm confused.

Where are the biological mother and father?

I think I've heard that the father is in Russia (or some area of the region)...and the mother?

Were the sons (and were there only 3?) living with any one that was related?

[LisaL]

16. Parents are back in Russia-actually Dagestan.

They returned there recently from US.
They had four children total, two males, two females.
The children stayed in US even after parents left and went back to Russia.

[SoapBox]

17. Thanks for the update.

[MADem]

27. The shoplifting mother is also in Russia. nt

[Mopar151]

21. "Ma" Barker

"They're always tellin' lies against my boys!"


To be fair: The Boston office of the FBI has a really lousy record on running informants - "Whitey" Bulger committed multiple murders when under FBI control.

[Ash_F]

24. Well, here comes the part where they put the family through the wringer. /nt

[freedom fighter jh]

34. What kind of person steals?

One who feels she can't get what she deserves through legitimate means. If she's stealing from a high-end store, maybe she feels Lord and Taylor is what she deserves.

Young adults often carry more of their parents' values and attitudes than they know. Maybe the brothers felt they weren't getting theirs, an attitude that had rubbed off from their mother. They lived in Cambridge, MA, a small city that is home to two of the very most prestigious universities in the country -- yet one went to community college and the other, the one who wanted to be a "great doctor" (I read somewhere) to State U. What kind of message did that send them about themselves? Harvard is for those smart/rich/lucky ones; you go to this other place. So maybe they grew up with this attitude of "We deserve more than the system gives us" and then the system started treating them like losers. Rather than respond the way their mother had, by just taking more for themselves, maybe they decided instead to prove to the world that they were not, after all, losers. And they did it by making headlines, even if it cost one his life and the other his freedom.

[kelliekat44]

35. And the only immigrants the GOP worries about are Mexicans! nt

[aaaaaa5a]

38. That's right! Be on the lookout for "dark skinned men"

Sincerely,

John King and the fine staff of CNN
"The most trusted name in news"

[Sunlei]

42. wonder if she also was trying for citizenship and then one crime you lose that chance.?

Her choice. You get deported if you do any crime when under visa.

I did read both brothers wanted American citizenship, younger brother got his 7/2012. Older dead brother had his citizenship refused because he had a domestic violence charge.

Then the Feds, CIA/FBI?? starts gloming on the older brother and just watches him take trips to russia. He had to take the trips, I guess required to update the visa. He spent 6 months there once. That is very expensive 6 months in another country. Wonder who funded that kind of extended trip?

[RebelOne]

49. That is true that if you commit a crime while here on a visa,

you can be deported. My next door neighbor was from Ukraine and was convicted of drug charges. The US tried to deport him, but Ukraine would not take him back. I have not heard from him in several years so I do not know where he is now, but he is truly a man without a country.

[Sunlei]

53. your poor neighbor probably was deported and then got killed because they didn't want him.

Unless he was one of the lucky few who live for years in those immigration prisons (private for profit, costing billions in federal money) begging for permanent resident visa or just goes underground.

[MADem]

50. The younger brother swore his allegiance to the USA on 9-11 2012.

Which makes you wonder....

[jsr]

44. When did Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get in med school?

From link:

Dzhokhar A Tsarnaev is believed to be a legal immigrant to the U.S., who arrived in the country one year ago from the Russian region of Chechnya which has been plagued by an Islamic insurgency stemming from separatist wars.

The 19-year-old, who attended Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, is an amateur wrestling champion...

'My son is a true angel,' Anzor said. 'Dzhokhar is a second-year medical student in the U.S. He is such an intelligent boy. We expected him to come on holidays here.'

[Marrah_G]

52. Nursing student

Maybe there was a language thing.

[LisaL]

57. Never.

He wasn't in medical school.

[zeeland]

56. Credit scam that took place during the Bush years with

many Russians due to the cheap credit money available, was applying for multiple credit cards,
maxing them out on merchandise disirerable in Russia, shipping it overseas where it sold
at a premium. The people responsible returned to Russia leaving the credit card companies
holding the debt. I remember Escalades were one of the most desired vehicles and they made
A fortune shipping them over there. Home Depot, Lowes and other retailers were also targets.

[athenasatanjesus]

58. Who cares!

Stealing isn't the worst thing on earth,especially a few clothes from a fancy store that were probably not worth 1600$ in the first place,and just because she looks angry here doesn't mean she is as bad as she looks.