It's HIM--Body (or BLOOD--conflicting report) found in boat in Watertown backyard on Franklin Street

[MADem]

Source: WCVB CH 5 Boston

They've found a body in a boat in a backyard in Watertown. More as I get it.

You can watch WCVB live at the above link.

Three SWAT vehicles have arrived on the scene. The crawl says "Potential suspect on boat in backyard in Watertown."

Just now WCVB have said there was BLOOD, not a body, in the boat.

Crawl reads: ABC News Reports Ambulances have also moved in. Authorities are telling residents to stay indoors. Potential Suspect on a boat in backyard in Watertown.

Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/

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They found him using thermal imaging. He is still in the boat. He is "pinned" according to the reporter.

They are afraid of IEDs so they are taking their time.

[Purveyor]

1. Scanner link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022715465

[Tx4obama]

2. Live blog link about the boat below

Here: http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square

[lexw]

3. Been watching CNN all day, and they missed this completely...

still the Wolfman blabbering and blabbering.

[Tx4obama]

4. It just now happened. n/t

[lexw]

6. I was watching CNN for a good 5 minutes and nothing...

Channel 5 was well into it.
And 10 minutes before that, Yahoo had a headline: gunfire in Watertown.

[Enrique]

7. they did get that barking dog scoop

no one else reported on that one.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Watch this...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/

[lexw]

5. I think he'll take his own life.

It seems these guys being chased down always do this.

[MADem]

10. I hope they get him. There's another "scene" a quarter mile away

at a parking lot in an office park on Maple Street.

For all we know that could be the poor homeowner in the damn boat...

I hope that isn't the case.

[lexw]

12. Oh wow!

[MADem]

71. Well, no, he's not dead. He's in hospital.

I think they used a few flash-bangs to discombobulate him...but no "non-lethal" bullets.

The bullets he had in him were from last night in the encounter where he ran over his brother.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html

[FailureToCommunicate]

72. This was written before we knew he was still alive. Press kept replaying the massive

gunfire into the boat in the back yard. At the time (and still) it seemed impossible he would live thru that.

I'm relieved we can go get some sleep now...

[MADem]

73. I don't think they shot at the boat. I think they used flash-bangs.

They wanted to freak him out, not kill him. That's why they wanted everyone around the area to kill their headlights--so there would be more contrast.

I think--don't know, but think--all his blood came from bullets the night before...

[FailureToCommunicate]

74. THey replayed the footage over and over tonight. Clearly automatic weapon fire

then later there were reports of flash bangs used also. My brother was a few street away and heard it too.

Anyway, just relieved it over for now.

[MADem]

26. Four or five shots fired--two more, then two more...I think Joker is trying for Suicide By Cop. nt

[lexw]

47. Yes.

[FailureToCommunicate]

48. Wouldn't the police be smart enough to NOT oblige him that? Did they not want to take

him alive? Of course he was going to shoot back at them. So wait. Wait till hi runs out of bullets. Or go the flash bang route.
Now, while they wait for caution, he will just bleed to death. If he isn't dead already.


Thanks for the thread MADem

[Hekate]

8. MSNBC's on it. Nothing yet

[SoapBox]

9. If it's him...

what a waste of a life...and only 19.

How the fuck can you study at Dartmouth and have such mental "illness".

Bizarre.

[lexw]

11. Maybe they can get some of those relatives there or on the phone.

...just not the uncle, he might be a bit harsh.

[Brigid]

51. That uncle seems to be the only sane one in the family.

[lexw]

66. I totally agree...

If that aunt is in law, she's going to have a hard time finding work now. Wow.

[WinniSkipper]

14. UMass Dartmouth

totally different school

[MADem]

15. Not Dartmouth. UMass Dartmouth. Fine school, but not "that" Dartmouth. nt

[Sunlei]

16. Even in the marathon vids, he followed his big brother.

[smirkymonkey]

78. He was at UMass Dartmouth, not the Ivy League Dartmouth.

but still.

[Sunlei]

13. police look much more relaxed, several are leaving.

He must be suicided.

[MADem]

29. Someone is shooting...two pops at a time, about ten shots....he must be low on ammo.

They're suggesting it is coming from the boat, but that's not entirely clear.

A state police helo is overhead.

[Sunlei]

35. No more shots just the flurry, cops are still relaxed, grouped chatting.

The homeowner reported blood in the driveway and boat tarp looked moved. The police arrived, sound of shots(from the boat, not towards the police) and then nothing.

[freshwest]

17. Watching it right now, aerial view here:

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

Still an active scene, volley of shots and ambulance there with rapid resonpse crew. Bomb squad had left and officers crouched down now hiding behind trees going to the boat. Also says Putin called to give condolences and that Obama thanked him.

[freshwest]

24. Confusing. Hiding in boat. Body? Moving? Found by aerial thermal imaging.

They say it is definitely Suspect #2. I hope he's not dead. Some talk of sighting with him in a body vest. Police afraid of IEDs. 67 Franklin Street in Watertown.

[MADem]

18. ATF on scene--they were edging towards the boat. Then the pic (from helo) was lost

because there is a tree over the boat.

I wonder if someone in law enforcement was wounded because they called for another ambulance.

EDIT--that shot might be of the office park parking lot. It's hard to tell.

The reporters are speaking in more relaxe tones, and the police are still being cautious (with guns at the ready) but they aren't in that freakishly tense stance we've seen to this point. Also there are more reporters, closer in, than there have been to this point.

[Iliyah]

20. NBC is on it!

Current with information.

[avaistheone1]

22. WCVB CH 5 Boston says authorities believe it is suspect# 2

and believe is alive and moving.

Get him alive.

[MADem]

23. They now CONFIRM it is him--the headline says Newscenter 5 Confirms Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Cornered in

Watertown.

[sheshe2]

57. News 5 also said that the goal is to take him alive,

If he lets them that is.

[freshwest]

27. +1. But 51 minutes after the hour, more shots heard live.

[jakeXT]

28. Suspect #1 back from the dead?

[MADem]

32. Apparently, the "body" in the boat was still alive--found by thermal imaging. nt

[avaistheone1]

38. I think that is my mistake. I am multi-tasking Oops!

[freshwest]

64. Confirmed alive and on his way to hospital for treatment now.

[MADem]

25. MORE SHOTS FIRED..... nt

[freshwest]

31. Listening now. And snipers rooftops. I wanted him alive, though...

So young, maybe misled by his older brother. Maybe not...

[MADem]

33. I think he's shooting at them--now they are saying "No further movement in boat."

They aren't saying "Oooh, that means he's dead now," they are being very cautious to not report what they don't know.

[freshwest]

42. Words on screen says 'goal of LE is bring him in alive' and they have gone into a nearby house...

Told residents to get out in a hurry. So maybe they will take him alive, which I want to have happen. To get as much of the truth as possible. Anything else could be a problem. They are saying he is alive, I hope so.

[WheelWalker]

44. Query: Is the fire out?

Accurate Response: There is no visible smoke and no detectable heat.

[sheshe2]

60. In custody now!

[freshwest]

61. Live television, captured, ALIVE on his way to local hospital...

CONFIRMED!

[agent46]

30. He'll be dead by the time it's over

There will be no questioning and the media will own the narrative of this entire episode.

[RebelOne]

34. I am hoping that they can take him live.

There is so much to be learned from him as to why he and his brother did this horrendous Boston Marathon bombing.

[MADem]

37. They aren't doing much now--everything is quiet--the reporter is saying the goal is to take him

alive.

Law enforcement has asked some people to evacuate their homes (people behind the crime scene). Police are using their house as a vantage point.

[freshwest]

62. CONFIRMED, ALIVE and on his way to hospital.

[agent46]

75. I stand corrected.

And hope he gets a fair trial too. That would be refreshing.

[freshwest]

76. High profile case, international interest: he'll get more consideration than you or I would.

An insanitydefense may be what his lawyers are going to try for him. I look forward to hearing the why but am not interested in the how of any of it at this point. Plenty of witnesses. Multiple fixed and moving videos from before and after the act at the marathon, and during escape.

Don't worry, he will have many supporters making their voices heard no matter what he did or didn't do. Boston is known for strong civil rights advocates and attorneys. A close friend specialized in civil and criminal rights cases of the unpopular and won.

So it won't be 'refreshing' for him to get a 'fair trial' there, anymore than it was inevitable this was a conspiracy to frame these two. When you wrote: He'll be dead by the time it's over There will be no questioning and the media will own the narrative of this entire episode, that's how the CTers will push this.

Sorry about the capitals, as I wan't yelling, but typing it in multiple places and thought you'd be happy, as I am that he was alive and would get his day in court. If you think he would be killed or not get a fair trial as a matter of course, what is your solution to the issue of stopping the bombers?

This is real event, real people are dead and maimed for life. It really happened, not a movie. Not everything in life or media fits a set narrative, although I don't believe national media, after they sensationalized this and got Muslims assaulted.

[agent46]

77. I am happy and relieved as well

Hello freshwest,

My post above was born of cynicism from seeing everything politicized over the last 12 years or so to the point that we can never be sure to hear all the facts - especially when it's more expedient to control the facts using the corporate media. (Learned how that works from Bush and the neocons who managed to change the entire political ethos of this country through the cowed and payed-off news industry).

I'm not a conspiracy guy. In fact, I don't even keep up on the latest CTs. I just let them filter down to social media and make note of the endless partisan ranting that ensures Americans remain unable to embrace united, informed political influence. I find CT memes pretty tedious and predictable, actually.

I also remember the iron boot that was brought down in a coordinated effort to successfully suppress the nationwide voice of the occupy movement - so I wasn't confident the Boston Police Dept. would be counseled by DHS to do the right thing seeing how this "War on Terror" is ongoing and a real cash cow for the corporations and investors involved.

Also, thanks for the encouraging viewpoint on the possibility of a fair trial in Boston. Consider me now very cautiously optimistic.

Anyway, I've been on DU since 2004. Used to post under a different name but changed it when they had that user-id amnesty thing back in DU2 (or was it DU1?).

I don't post much anymore because the Democratic party doesn't fight the hard fight for the democratic principles I grew up believing in. Now it's all about negotiating money deals and throwing a bone or two to things like gay rights which is an obvious no brainer for the entire world and doesn't effect the bottom line of their otherwise neo-liberal politics.

All this by way of introducing myself and saying I'm familiar with your posts here on DU and have always valued your point of view. Thanks.

~46

[Trascoli]

36. sounds like he's still alive in the back of the boat

I hope they take him alive too. He's gotta have intel that can help the FBI and others.

[avaistheone1]

40. I certainly hope so.

[MADem]

39. State police are in a wide arc over the scene in a helo. nt

[freshwest]

46. Have brought in Quantico hostage rescue team to negotiate... but reports of a lot of blood.

There is no hostage, but they want him to surrender.

They think he is wearing a suicide bomber vest. There were also some explosives used here.

They want him alive to get answers. I wonder if his family members could talk him into coming out alive?

[Ian David]

41. He wasn't going to get far in that boat. n/t

[Taverner]

43. TAKE YOUR TIME BPD!!!

[Trascoli]

45. He's afraid to kill himself. Coward

Shots fired from inside the boat a while ago, so it sounds like he might be still alive.

[lexw]

49. That boat almost looks like a coffin. Sad.

[Baitball Blogger]

50. Pinned?

You mean, like cornered? Or do you mean stuck?

[MADem]

68. That was all they said--the crawl later said "cornered." nt

[Baitball Blogger]

69. I still want to see a picture of that thermal image.

[MADem]

70. Hopefully, the reporters who reported it will get a copy. nt

[KatyMan]

52. How did all the law enforcement

miss this earlier in the day?

[WheelWalker]

53. They are saying this house and boat are a block and a half outside today's search perimeter.

[KatyMan]

56. You're joking, right??

with all of the technology available, they didn't have an overhead shot of a boat?????

[WheelWalker]

63. Seriously. Apparently the ceiling was too low for helo work earlier in the day.

NBC news explanations as reported from 'sources'.

[MADem]

67. The boat had a cover on it--that wouldn't have done, all by itself, either.

He was under that cover.

Thermal imaging gave him away.

[WheelWalker]

54. Sounds like they've got him.... alive.

[Crepuscular]

55. Suspect in custody

just announced on the scanner

[freshwest]

65. Alive and conscious, on his way to hospital.

Press waiting at the hospital and police are there to protect him.

[freshwest]

58. CONFIRMED: Suspect #2 now in custody - maybe in ambulance...

[avaistheone1]

59. Suspect #2 in custody. Being transported by ambulance.

Possibly he is alive.