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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:12 PM Apr 2013

Chechnya’s President On Suspects: ‘Seek The Roots Of Evil In America’

Source: TPM

IGOR BOBIC 12:02 PM EDT, FRIDAY APRIL 19, 2013

Chechnya's President Ramzan Kadyrov posted a statement on his Instagram account expressing condolences to the victims of the Boston marathon on Friday, but he rejected associating the attacks with the suspects' reported origin to an area near Chechnya.

Translated via Foreign Policy:

The tragic events took place in Boston. The blast killed people. We have previously expressed their condolences to the people of the city and the people of America. Today, as reported by the media, while trying to arrest a Tsarnaea was killed. It would be logical if he was detained and investigated, found all the circumstances and the degree of his guilt. Apparently, the special services needed by all means to calm the result of society. Any attempt to make the connection between Chechnya and Tsarnaevys if they are guilty, [is] in vain. They grew up in the United States, their attitudes and beliefs were formed there. It is necessary to seek the roots of evil in America. From terrorism to fight the whole world. We know better than anyone else. We wish recovery to all the victims and share the feelings of sorrow Americans. # # Boston # bombing investigation

The bombing suspects were identified by law enforcement officials and family members as Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, hailling from "a Russian region near Chechnya." They reportedly lived in the United States with legal status for approximately a decade.

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Chechnya’s President On Suspects: ‘Seek The Roots Of Evil In America’ (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2013 OP
Instagram? Was Twitter too informal? nt onehandle Apr 2013 #1
Instagram is traditional in Chechnya Enrique Apr 2013 #3
Russia still thinks we hide them jakeXT Apr 2013 #2
This part is just weird: kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #22
if he was set up, he acted like it jakeXT Apr 2013 #23
Actually it makes sense if you know how medical school nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #24
"It would be logical if he was detained and investigated," nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #4
Could this attack be a response to the Drone wars? Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #5
american terrorists = good, it's only bad when "foreign" terrorists attack us nt msongs Apr 2013 #6
Valid question. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #7
Would you feel that way... ag_dude Apr 2013 #8
I am saying this could be one of the outcomes of an unjust war for oil. Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #9
You sound eerily similar to the right wing nuts ag_dude Apr 2013 #12
Nothing does indeed. Nothing I said advocates they ought to be. You need to read more carefully. Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #15
Analyzing your own actions and questioning them ag_dude Apr 2013 #17
So it is your contention that we should have continued to fight in Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia? Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #18
Exactly, Ford_Perfect Carolina Apr 2013 #16
Perhaps if we were bombing the NRA headquarters Fumesucker Apr 2013 #10
Yep. And people like that should be under scrutiny. nt MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #13
Obama and Putin talk, I wonder what they really said jakeXT Apr 2013 #11
Ramzan Kafirov is a vile little thug, and his words aren't usually worth their weight in rat feces Alamuti Lotus Apr 2013 #14
Since these two were not born in America, why would their roots be in America? LisaL Apr 2013 #19
He was not talking about the family of the bombers, ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #20
This guy's a thug. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #21

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
2. Russia still thinks we hide them
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

The 44-year-old fugitive Chechen rebel leader had made more than a few hurried departures on his way to becoming one of Russia's most wanted men, and he had been almost constantly on the move since fellow insurgents smuggled him out of war-torn Grozny in 1999. But on the day intermediaries arranged for us to first meet last fall, Akhmadov seemed anxious not to leave the temporary sanctuary offered by this borrowed two-bedroom apartment.
...
Akhmadov's story might be just another shadowy tale from the global war on terror, if not for one important twist. The apartment he was holed up in was not in some remote former Soviet republic or extremist Islamic haven. It was smack in the middle of Washington, next to the National Zoo. He was here legally, as a newly minted political refugee -- and if he was hiding, it was more or less in plain sight. American taxpayers, in fact, were about to start paying his salary at a congressionally funded think tank.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38200-2005Mar15.html





The father of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said his son was a second year medical student in the US and was hoping to be a brain surgeon.

But Anzor Tsarnaev told the BBC that that he believed the secret services had framed his sons.
http://mobile.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
22. This part is just weird:
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:32 PM
Apr 2013

"....The father of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said his son was a second year medical student in the US and was hoping to be a brain surgeon...."

The kid is 19. His friends said he was studying economics with some chemistry classes and reports are he was flunking out. Dad is out of THIS loop, for sure. No way he was in medical school, simply based on his age.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
23. if he was set up, he acted like it
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:43 PM
Apr 2013

In May of 2011, as a high school senior, Dzhokhar was awarded a $2,500 City Scholarship from the City of Cambridge to pursue higher education.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston-bombing/2095953/


Dzhokar Tsarnaev, 19, was on the campus of University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth every day after the attack until late Thursday, a university official told CNN. Tsarnaev attended classes and dorm parties while the rest of Boston came to a tense standstill.

A student at the school told The Boston Globe that she saw Tsarnaev at a party Wednesday night that was attended by some of his friends from intramural soccer.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-younger-brother/index.html


According to the Boston Globe, Dzhokhar had been a gifted student in high school and "volunteered with the Best Buddies program, which pairs volunteers with people who have disabilities," but was recently failing many of his college courses at UMass-Dartmouth.

The New York Times reviewed his transcript, which shows Dzhokhar "receiving seven failing grades over two semesters in 2012 and 2013."

Students described him as a pothead who often was smoking or "playing laptop video games in the common area of his hall."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/20/Report-Dzhokar-Failed-7-Colleges-Courses-After-Parents-Split-Moved-Abroad

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Actually it makes sense if you know how medical school
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:12 PM
Apr 2013

Works everywhere else.

In most of the world pre-med is unheard off, and kids go straight to medical school. It's the London school method

Med school last six years. The first two are a firm grounding on the sciences and by third year that be 20 or 21, they start seeing patients as interns. Harvard is experimenting with this by the way.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
4. "It would be logical if he was detained and investigated,"
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:45 PM
Apr 2013

Hey, asshole, how is that going to happen when they are shooting and throwing explosives at cops and then his own brother runs him over.

Ford_Prefect

(7,828 posts)
5. Could this attack be a response to the Drone wars?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:51 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Consider all the innocent people who have been murdered at the push of a button who were just celebrating a wedding, or shopping in the street market, or just happened to be in the wrong crowd at the wrong location when the drone flew over.

I have to say I can see that kind of event pushing someone to act this way...attacking innocents at a celebration.

I do not advocate that this would be fair or rude justice of any kind. The people murdered by drones in another part of the world did not deserve to die or be maimed, or see their family, friends, and community destroyed. Neither did anyone on Boylston Street, or at MIT or in Watertown.

When our government acts with impunity it invites a similar response...and innocents will be hurt no matter who they voted for. When our government acts outside the law it tends to put we the people into harm's way.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
8. Would you feel that way...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:43 PM
Apr 2013

...if it was in response to the potential for tighter gun laws?

Blaming our government for these sorts of acts is despicable.

Ford_Prefect

(7,828 posts)
9. I am saying this could be one of the outcomes of an unjust war for oil.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:38 PM
Apr 2013

When the government acts in violation of the law it invites others to do the same.

I did not authorize the unregulated and illegal drone war, nor the murders associated with it. I am not the author of those despicable actions nor am I the one who decided to act out the gruesome and terrible events of Boylston Street.

My point is that when any government acts beyond the law it tends to inspire the same behavior in response. I am not saying that to declare my sense of rage, or fear, but to remind us that there are others in the world who feel our government acts like the worst bully on the block, and that some of them may have plenty of reason to.

That does not make it just for them to murder, either. Those who take advantage of that desire for revenge are no better than those who drove the policy of aggressive war, which became our foreign policy, which led to the drones, which led as did the war to the deaths of so many innocent people.

The people who fear that their precious weapons will be taken away, or worse, if the present gun regulation bill were to pass are deluded and manipulated by the same people who brought us the war, who feed the fears of anyone to get them to jump in the right directions. Having lived near a few of those frightened and fearsome whites-are-right gun folk it is not hard to imagine them taking an action like this to express themselves. The evidence made public so far suggests that it is not the case at the moment, although I did expect it might be.

The profiteers who engineered the war and the lucrative war economy will do and say anything to fatten their bank accounts and see anyone not engaged in pillaging the economy as fools who don't deserve to keep what they have whether it is life, liberty, happiness or merely enough to feed their children.

Ford_Prefect

(7,828 posts)
15. Nothing does indeed. Nothing I said advocates they ought to be. You need to read more carefully.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:30 AM
Apr 2013

You assume I defend the acts. I do not.

I suggested that the acts could be motivated by the death of innocent people as the result of aggressive war as foreign policy. You mistake my meaning. I do not support either war or violence as such.

We presently have a government who have pursued and expanded a policy developed by the previous administration of using drones to attack enemy targets. The unintended side effect of that policy has been the murder by those drone attacks of as many as 3000 people in the process of allegedly killing 47 "high profile" Taliban or Al Queda members. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/drone-strikes-interactive-visualization-pitch

Many people in that part of the world understandably now live in daily fear that the drones will attack them anytime they are overhead. This is the US version of terror war in many eyes. It is quite reasonable to assume it might motivate someone to respond in kind.

I am not advocating that they should do so. I am saying that there exists significant MOTIVATION for someone to do so. That condition is not justification for doing so. Murder is murder no matter who commits it and no matter the reason.

The idea that our own government is pursuing so misguided a policy as to so motivate anyone to attack innocent civilians in the United States is frightening on the face of it.

This is the same government that has worked so very hard to undo some other equally misguided and dangerous policies of the previous administration. It is the same president who has argued loud and long for responsible gun control legislation who approved the expansion of drone policy.

By the way that is my president, whom I voted for twice. Whose campaign I have worked for in North Carolina.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
17. Analyzing your own actions and questioning them
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:40 AM
Apr 2013

because of something a terrorist does is exactly what they are trying to make you do.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
16. Exactly, Ford_Perfect
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:58 AM
Apr 2013

You cannot do what the US does with impunity... at some point blowback will occur. It is just so very sad that it is always the innocent who suffer

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Perhaps if we were bombing the NRA headquarters
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:49 PM
Apr 2013

But I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
11. Obama and Putin talk, I wonder what they really said
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:04 PM
Apr 2013

Obama, Putin cooperate on terror after Boston bombings
(AFP) – 26 minutes ago 
WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama spoke to President Vladimir Putin on Friday and thanked him for Russia's anti-terror help after bomb attacks in Boston blamed on two men of Chechen origin.
"President Putin expressed his condolences on behalf of the Russian people for the tragic loss of life in Boston," said a White House statement.
"President Obama thanked President Putin for those sentiments, and praised the close cooperation that the United States has received from Russia on counter-terrorism, including in the wake of the Boston attack.
"The two leaders agreed to continue our cooperation on counter-terrorism and security issues going forward."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idXe4BuhZpBcNXwa1e9ZcH8khypA

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
14. Ramzan Kafirov is a vile little thug, and his words aren't usually worth their weight in rat feces
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:19 AM
Apr 2013

but it's always nice how tragedy brings out the best public relations spin control instincts in abysmal "leaders", even in Putin's little dog.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
20. He was not talking about the family of the bombers,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:02 PM
Apr 2013

he was talking about the motivation for the attack.

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