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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:11 PM Apr 2013

Vatican Reaffirms Plan To Scrutinize U.S. Nuns

Source: NPR

Pope Francis' doctrinal chief has reaffirmed the Vatican's intention to overhaul the largest organization of U.S. nuns, dashing the hopes of some that the newly installed pontiff would take a more conciliatory approach than his predecessor.

The Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an umbrella group that represents about 80 percent of nuns in the United States, was chastised last year by the Vatican's Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for adopting "radical feminist" views. It was ordered to undergo by Vatican-appointed bishops.

... NPR's John Burnett reports that in a meeting with Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, and Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle, who was appointed last year to oversee the five-year process, the sisters were told that the pope had "reaffirmed the findings" of the earlier investigation and that the "program of reform" will continue. ....

Read more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/16/177494224/vatican-reaffirms-plan-to-scrutinize-u-s-nuns



The Church is no democracy, it is a Holy Patriarchy.
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Vatican Reaffirms Plan To Scrutinize U.S. Nuns (Original Post) Coyotl Apr 2013 OP
Nun control? cvoogt Apr 2013 #1
if Nuns are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nuns markiv Apr 2013 #8
It may turn dangerous.... "Nude Nuns with Big Guns: The Trailer" Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #13
I'll add that to my MUST SEE list Coyotl Apr 2013 #27
:) Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #28
"They'll have to pry those nuns out of my cold, dead-" oh, wait a minute, what the hell am I saying? Ken Burch Apr 2013 #17
if everyone had their own Nun, the church scandals could have been prevented nt markiv Apr 2013 #9
I strongly believe in good guys with nuns cvoogt Apr 2013 #11
i knew a few assault nuns when i was a kid markiv Apr 2013 #12
(potentially traumatic image warning) Ken Burch Apr 2013 #18
LOL! This reminds me . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #34
Nuns should break loose and form their own church! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #2
You Know - It Might Just Take An Organized Effort By All Nuns To Make A Statement...... global1 Apr 2013 #3
The could consider the Episcopal Church . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #33
It might be a wee bit more productive VWolf Apr 2013 #4
It never pretended to be a democracy caraher Apr 2013 #5
Hubba hubba! Done that a few times myself (tho' I never really got into the habit). Bucky Apr 2013 #6
"The Church is no democracy, it is a Holy Patriarchy." paulk Apr 2013 #7
It's NOT the 15th Century Its the 12th Century warrant46 Apr 2013 #24
I'll bet the nuns are none to happy to hear that. n/t Jamastiene Apr 2013 #10
US Supreme Court (R) Backs Pope, Convicts Nuns of Being Women Berlum Apr 2013 #14
What would Jesus do to the nuns? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #15
In theory, nothing. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #20
So the guys who covered up for the pedophiles are going to chastise the Squinch Apr 2013 #16
That's not funny! Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #25
Doesn't "scrutinize" mean "throw in a stove and burn after counting"? Ken Burch Apr 2013 #19
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #21
And you'll notice... theHandpuppet Apr 2013 #22
uppidy nuns maindawg Apr 2013 #23
By the way, both Nostradamus and an Irish mystic and saint of the 12th century Cal33 Apr 2013 #26
The pope was supposed to be named Peter Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #29
Your idea occurred to me also, but then I thought maybe "Peter" could have Cal33 Apr 2013 #30
Malachy was attributed those predictions by another. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #32
"Oh that wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot!" stlsaxman Apr 2013 #31
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
17. "They'll have to pry those nuns out of my cold, dead-" oh, wait a minute, what the hell am I saying?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:33 PM
Apr 2013

cvoogt

(949 posts)
11. I strongly believe in good guys with nuns
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:51 PM
Apr 2013

No seriously, I think priests and nuns should be allowed to marry. Also, I believe assault nuns should be limited to 10 clips per magazine.

markpkessinger

(8,381 posts)
34. LOL! This reminds me . . .
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

. . . of something that happened at a Christmas party I and two roommates hosted in the late '80s, a couple of years after I graduated from college. One of those roommates, Anna, was a classmate of mine from Westminster Choir College, and was, at the time a music teacher at St. Hilda's & St. Hugh's, a private Episcopal day school on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, founded and operated by the good sisters of the Community of the Holy Spirit, an Episcopal order of nuns. Anna became very good friends with one of the sisters (I'll call her Sister X) who was also on the music faculty of the school, and so she invited this particular sister to our party.

Now, this order of nuns was (likely still is) very traditional in its discipline and dress (although theologically progressive). The nuns wore a traditional habit just like the one in your photo. Sister X very much wanted to come to the party, but she had to obtain permission from her Mother Superior (who was also the order's founder). Mother Superior was rather skeptical of the whole affair, but after much pleading and cajoling, gave her permission for Sister X to attend. And attend she did: somewhere, there's a picture of rather androgynous nun, in a habit just like the one in your photo, sitting in our apartment with a Heineken in hand! (But wait: that's not the good part . . .)

We had a huge turnout at the party. At one point, I introduced my friend Frank (a close friend to my boyfriend and me at the time) to Sister X. But I found it really strange when Frank, in a manner very out of character for him, began peppering Sister X with rather off-color questions. Finally, Anna and I called Frank aside and asked him what was going on, and why was he speaking to Anna's colleague in such a manner? Frank said, "Wait, you mean he's . . . she's . . .not . . .?" Turns out Frank had decided to pull a practical joke on me and my boyfriend, so he had contacted a male stripper and arranged for him to show up. Frank assumed, when he saw this nun (whose gender was somewhat indeterminate under the habit she was wearing), that "she" was actually the male stripper he had booked, and that the nun's costume was part of his schtick. All of us had a great laugh over that one, including, I'm happy to say, Sister X!

global1

(25,168 posts)
3. You Know - It Might Just Take An Organized Effort By All Nuns To Make A Statement......
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:28 PM
Apr 2013

that would cause the Pope and the Church to recognize the contribution by women to the Church. Nuns are teachers and nurses in Catholic schools and hospitals. Some sort of organized work stoppage by them would really put the Catholic Church in a bind.

markpkessinger

(8,381 posts)
33. The could consider the Episcopal Church . . .
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:21 PM
Apr 2013

. . . which also has some very remarkable orders of nuns and monks, and a very similar style of liturgical worship.

caraher

(6,276 posts)
5. It never pretended to be a democracy
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:33 PM
Apr 2013

Still, it's disappointing that Pope Francis sees fit to carry on Benedict's purge... especially since the nuns actually fought for the kind of attention to the poor Francis champions. But I guess we're at the point where Catholicism is primarily about fetus worship.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
6. Hubba hubba! Done that a few times myself (tho' I never really got into the habit).
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:39 PM
Apr 2013

"You sistahs are some foxy ladies. You look like you could really boogie down, baybee!"

paulk

(11,586 posts)
7. "The Church is no democracy, it is a Holy Patriarchy."
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:41 PM
Apr 2013

Actually, it's a bunch of old men more in touch with the fifteenth century than the twenty-first.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
24. It's NOT the 15th Century Its the 12th Century
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:49 PM
Apr 2013

Giordano Bruno burned at stake by the Church.

The numerous charges against Bruno, based on some of his books as well as on witness accounts, included blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy in matters of dogmatic theology, and involved some of the basic doctrines of his philosophy and cosmology.
Holding opinions contrary to the Catholic Faith and speaking against it and its ministers. Holding erroneous opinions about the Trinity, about Christ's divinity and Incarnation. Holding erroneous opinions about Christ. Holding erroneous opinions about Transubstantiation and Mass. Claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity. Believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes. Dealing in magics and divination. Denying the Virginity of Mary.

On February 16, 1600, the Roman Catholic Church executed Giordano Bruno, Italian philosopher and scientist, for the crime of heresy. He was taken from his cell in the early hours of the morning to the Piazza dei Fiori in Rome and burnt alive at the stake.

In the words of the latest gift from god = "Back to the Good Old Days"

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
14. US Supreme Court (R) Backs Pope, Convicts Nuns of Being Women
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

"You little ladies need to STFU, get back in the kitchen, and make us some coffee."
- US Supreme Court (R)

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
16. So the guys who covered up for the pedophiles are going to chastise the
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:22 PM
Apr 2013

women who got on a bus and tried to protect the interests of the poor, elderly, and disenfranchised. And who very entertainingly smacked Paul Ryan around.

Seriously. There needs to be an organization that actually does "what Jesus would do" and tells the bishops and the pope to go screw themselves. For a change.

Cause that's what I bet Jesus would do.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
21. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:25 PM
Apr 2013

And to think that there were people here so easily fooled by this guy, just because he rode the bus to work.

The pope will throw everyone under that bus in order to keep it on the same road into the past, the future be damned.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
22. And you'll notice...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:43 PM
Apr 2013

... that once the daily Vatican report turned to the subject of women in the church, it's treated as a running joke here.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
26. By the way, both Nostradamus and an Irish mystic and saint of the 12th century
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:12 PM
Apr 2013

had made a list of future popes. This new pope is the last one in both
their lists. They simply named no other.

Now, what's that supposed to mean? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
30. Your idea occurred to me also, but then I thought maybe "Peter" could have
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:35 AM
Apr 2013

been used as a synonym for the pope.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
32. Malachy was attributed those predictions by another.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

And after 1590 they are gibberish, so it was thought that they were written looking backward from that time frame.

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