Agents found 678 guns,13 grenades in raid of Lincoln man's home

[Omaha Steve]

Source: Omaha World Herald

By Maggie O'Brien

A Lincoln man is accused of illegally selling hundreds of guns — including some to convicted felons — out of his home.

Federal agents found 678 guns and 13 grenades when they raided the home of Ashley F. Gerbig last month, according to federal court documents unsealed this week.

The firearms included rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms say Gerbig trafficked hundreds of guns from his residence.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://www.omaha.com/article/20130410/NEWS/704119927/1685#agents-found-678-guns-13-grenades-in-raid-of-lincoln-man-s-home

[Loudly]

1. That man should spend only one or two nights in jail.

The important thing is that he was disarmed.

Peace little wacko, and out.

[onehandle]

2. So? The Second Amendment says that's ok.

Ayn Rand's rotting skull told me so.

[freshwest]

4. Just an honest man trying to make a living! Obama the job killer!

[freshwest]

3. Obama's socialist, jackbooted gun confiscation has begun with drones and child indoctrination camps!

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[Mr.Pain]

5. Just heard what Washington is doing...

More of the same BS. On the nightly news lawmakers are setting forth new regulations on gun purchases. Mandatory background checks, without the "gun show loophole". The Sandy Hook killer used guns that were in fact purchased by his mother, (whom he killed first), and I would bet she underwent the mandatory background check at the time(s) of purchase. Good ol' ineffective Washington politicians at work. Next they'll be telling us that government tyranny is impossible in the U.S. because the government is us.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Well, grenades haven't been generally available to the public since at least 1934

yet the clown in the OP's story appears to have gotten some illegally.

Not sure what to do with that data point, but there it is.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. I'm sure the guy in Lincoln thinks the same way.

[golfguru]

7. No wonder the stores have no ammo

it has been all bought up by horders.

[SunSeeker]

8. That fucking asshole has blood on his hands.

If any of the guns he illegally sold end up being used to kill someone, he should be booked as accessory to murder.

[madrchsod]

9. what`s the problem?

it`s america where the second amendment and the free enterprise system trumps any silly laws that would restrict guys like this from selling guns.

talk about anti-american!!!

[Paladin]

10. Are you being sarcastic or serious?

It's an honest question, given some of the pro-gun sentiments that turn up on DU with depressing regularity.

[Historic NY]

11. This is one of the NRA poster boys........

that they want to give cover for by allowing them to sidestep background checks....he is only a private seller.

If the GOP requires a piss test for welfare then they should require a complete background check to purchase a weapon.

[hack89]

12. He does not meet the legal definition of a private seller

a private seller, for example, cannot acquire guns for the express purpose of selling them. Additionally, the sheer volume of sales takes him out of the private seller category.

This guy was a criminal running a criminal enterprise - he was breaking a slew of gun laws.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

19. He can just say he bought those guns to fulfill his home defense needs.

There were popgun lovers here taking great umbrage at the idea that thirty or forty guns represented a "whopping" amount, or could possibly be more guns than one person needs.

[hack89]

22. It was not the number of guns. It was what he was doing with them.

owning a shit ton of guns is not illegal. Running an unlicensed gun dealership is.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

24. His claim was that the guns were his own, and he was therefore free to sell them.

I don't know if he's correct on that, but if the offense is that he acquired the guns with the intention of selling them, doesn't he just have to say "No, I bought them for home defense, and later decided to sell them"? Selling to known felons is a separate matter of course, but there, too, doesn't he just have to say "I didn't know they were felons"?

[hack89]

27. Criminals will always say something other than "I am guilty".

This is what the law says:

The Gun Control Act of 1968 provides that persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms must be licensed.3 Although Congress did not originally define the term “engaged in the business,” it did so in 1986 as part of the McClure-Volkmer Act (also known as the “Firearms Owners’ Protection Act”). That Act defined the term “engaged in the business,” as applied to a firearms dealer, as “a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”4

If the state can show a pattern of gun purchases and sales then he broke the law.

He can make any legal defense he wants - he just has to convince a jury.


The ATF is saying he knew he was selling to felons. Because it was a sting operation, it could be as simple as the undercover buyer saying he was a felon but needed a gun. If they have it on tape then he is dead meat.

[NickB79]

29. The same claim can be made of prescription pain meds

It still fails in court. Just because you own them does not give you the right to do whatever you want with them, or sell them to those legally barred from owning them.

Also, owning live hand grenades without a shitload of paperwork on file with the ATF is a serious felony no matter what you intend to do with them.

[valerief]

14. Well, maybe he needed them. After all, guns make the world a better, happy, wonderful place.

Don't they? That's what the gungeoneers tell me.

[hack89]

15. Or maybe he is simply a criminal running a criminal enterprise? nt

[valerief]

16. We're not allowed to think of the obvious here in the great U.S. of A. nt

[hack89]

17. I had no problem doing it. nt

[IveWornAHundredPants]

20. That's because, like all the popgun enthusiasts here,

you possess a completely unwarranted confidence in where the line between rational and irrational gun ownership lies. To you, it's exactly just past the point at which you yourself want to be. All the gun control regulations you support are those which won't cause you personally any trouble; anything else is outrageous gun-grabbing.

So you look at this guy and say "He's obviously a criminal, having so many guns!" But he looks like any other gun owner to the rest of us. He could justify his collection in just the same language so many of your "responsible gun owners" use to defend theirs.

[hack89]

23. I look at what he was doing with his guns and say "He's obviously a criminal"

every other gun owner does not deliberately break the law and run an illegal gun dealership out of their garage.

I support all proposed gun control laws with the exception of the AWB and registration. I live in a state with universal background checks.

[IveWornAHundredPants]

25. I guess my point is that he could claim to need all those guns for personal defense purposes

and sport shooting needs, and in the insane gun culture of the USA, people would be forced to at least consider taking that at face value. That's the sad part, to me.

[hack89]

28. Except the law is very explicit on what constitutes illegal gun dealing

he can claim anything he wants. No reasonable person would believe him.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. From another article on the story:

http://journalstar.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/atf-seizes-firearms-from-lincoln-man-s-home/article_dca44bc9-80e1-520e-89b6-38b32245222a.html

"Gerbig told the man he bought and sold guns online and at gun shows."

So if that was indeed the case, it sounds like he was able to amass the arsenal by finding legal ways to avoid the background check. Interesting.

Goes to show that even most "illegal" guns can have legal origins, and that the gun lobby's argument that gun violence is a result of illegal guns is a matter of diversion on their part.

[hack89]

30. How do you know he avoided background checks?

Many gun shows require background checks and any internet sale that crosses state lines has to go through a FFL.

Background checks are not a deterrent to buying a lot of weapons - remember there is no permanent record created by a background check.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

31. Wouldn't really change my point.

Which is that the guns were purchased legally. And, more disturbingly, en masse.

If anything, it would only show the need for more extensive background checks, and a warning system if someone is suspiciously purchasing large numbers of firearms in a short amount of time.

[hack89]

32. Certainly agree that the background check system needs to be strengthened. nt

[jpak]

21. So-called law abiders are the ultimate source for illegal gun sales

yup

[bowens43]

26. Well, that's reasonable.