Thirteen dead in Serbia gun rampage

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

Thirteen people have been killed in Serbia after a man went on a gun rampage in a village near Belgrade, local media report.

Six men, six women and a two-year-old child died before the gunman tried to kill himself and his wife. The pair are now said to be in a serious condition.

The gunman is reported to be 60 years old and was named only as "Ljubisa B".
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Local residents said the gunman killed his son before leaving the house and shooting dead neighbours, some of whom were still asleep in their homes, the Associated Press reported.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22076650

[life long demo]

1. Sad

[valerief]

2. If only it had been raining guns, this could have been prevented.

Guns cure EVERYTHING, after all.

[hack89]

3. Serbia is a gun control advocates wet dream

Strict background checks, mandatory licenses, mandatory training, strict assault weapons ban.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/serbia

[CreekDog]

8. so you're saying we shouldn't bother with any of that cause it don't work 100%

let's be honest about the point you are making.

but of course, you *now* support mandatory background checks.

you just like to post how they don't work.

clever, clever!

[hack89]

9. I live in a state with universal background checks - I know they work

we have a very low rate of gun violence.

It is just that some think that mass killing will be completely eliminated if we pass the right laws. And then there are those like Senator Feinstein that are pushing laws that will keep mass killings close to their present levels. I figure some facts will never hurt.

[CreekDog]

11. Please show us examples of who thinks mass killing will stop completely?

when you make straw men of arguments, you are doing the bidding of the NRA.

and we KNOW you are.

[hack89]

12. Besides those that keep bringing up Australia?

"there have been no mass shootings in Australia since they banned assault weapons." How many times do you think I have heard that?

[CreekDog]

13. so your only example is a misrepresentation and misquote of people here?

your only example of this straw man is something, not even a quote, that doesn't even say what you initially claimed was being argued here.

wow.

how bankrupt and in bad faith are your arguments here.

if you are were trying to convince people that what you were posting is all BS and shouldn't be believed, there is no better way than doing as you are doing.

[hack89]

14. ok. nt

[CreekDog]

15. you still can't cite an actual example with link? then you're playing us.

you're playing with us.

the dreaded T word comes to mind.

you don't even believe what you're saying, you're engaging in propaganda because doing so advances the interest you represent. doing it factually is not possible, so you don't worry about that.

[hack89]

17. ok. nt

[LanternWaste]

20. When asking for specifics outside of the comfort zone...

When asking for specifics outside of the comfort zone, it's not wise to ask those who replace wisdom with bumper-stickers.

[maxsolomon]

10. Well, let's adopt their policies and see

If we have Amoklauf killings at the same rate as them, or at the higher America-Is-Special rate.

[NickB79]

26. The amount of guns left from the war is astounding though

I have coworkers who fought in the war on the Bosnian side, and they all talk of the stockpiles of weapons and ammo every house has buried in the backyard. Automatic weapons, anti-tank weapons, rocket launchers, grenades, landmines, etc. One just got back from visiting family, and was showing off home videos on his iPhone of him and his family doing a little target practice in the mountains with full-auto AK-47's. Oh, and fishing with hand grenades

They're not fucking around after experiencing one attempted genocide.

[onehandle]

4. Serbia muscling in on our 'merican values.

We won't stand for that!

Moar Guns!

[Comrade_McKenzie]

5. Serbia ranks in 5th place on the List of countries by gun ownership. nt

[hack89]

6. With what many here would consider model gun control laws. nt

[CreekDog]

18. still harping on that strawman upthread?

still claiming that we all said mass murders would go away with gun control when you can't name a single person that said that here?



you're doing good. really.

[hack89]

19. Thank you.

watching you in full arm flapping mode has been a highlight of my day. Definitely worth the price of admission.

[CreekDog]

22. you think it's a joke what you said and then would not back up?

you think it's funny that you accused DUers of supporting something that when asked for proof, you can't cite?

you think that's a big joke?

you don't like us or what we stand for as a community, that's why it's funny to accuse us of things which you never intend to prove or even worry about being true.

[hack89]

23. I like you

a little excitable and little eager to pick fights but apart from that you seem like a good guy.

Don't take it personally - not everyone is going to agree with you. It is not like the isolation chamber where you can ban dissenters. Was that the community you were referring to?

[CreekDog]

24. Oh you'd love it if I was offended at your disagreement --I've didn't say that's what bothers me

it's that you know what you said about DUers isn't true and you said it anyway and when asked to prove it, you won't.



as for liking me, there is one other poster who says that to me, surprisingly or not, they hold roughly the same conservative positions as you and post roughly the same content with respect to guns.

anyway.

[hack89]

25. It has been a pleasure talking to you

give my best to everyone in the isolation chamber.

Did bongbong leave you his smilies?

[CreekDog]

27. you are the first person to accuse me of being bongbong

well, sort of.

Tuesday Afternoon (42,840 posts) Response to CreekDog (Reply #52)

56. boingboing! we missed you so!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=100589

i give you credit for being the smarter one, even if that's not a very heavy lift.

[hack89]

28. I know you are not bongbong

you just have similar styles and attitudes.

[CreekDog]

30. so you're saying bongbong and myself have the same posting style?

are you saying that statement is as unreliable as the statement that started our argument in this thread, remember the one where you said DUers said that gun regulations would eliminate all mass shootings, then when asked for a link or a quote of someone who said that you could not provide it?

maybe you forgot, that was HOURS ago.

as for me and bongbong, you observe that we post alike, so here is a list of 20 of mine and their most recent OP's, we are obviously completely alike in every way. Or maybe because we are both liberals, even though we post fairly different topics and markedly different styles --the fact that we are both liberals means that to you, someone far, far more conservative, we are just yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah blah, boring the heck out of you by saying the same old dumb liberal things.

BONGBONG:

OP Welcome to new members who, just coincidentally, use assault rifles to hunt! bongbong Jan 2013 General Discussion
OP The persistence of NRA Talking Points bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Whining about gun minutiae bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Best rejoinder for NRA nuts saying more guns are what's needed bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP New tactic of NRA-bots bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP The most important mental illness to begin with bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Remember: "We Need To Address Mental Illness" is an Official NRA diversion attempt bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP The NRA's response bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Just a reminder: It's THREE for THREE, America! bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP I now see the point of the RKBA emphasis on mental illness & not gun control laws bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP the reason gun nutz will be buying even MORE guns after this latest tragedy bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Predictable - the gun nutz that have taken roost at DU are busy! bongbong Dec 2012 General Discussion
OP Possibly brilliant idea to reform the filibuster bongbong Nov 2012 General Discussion
OP Anyone see when Gore called Florida "absolutely" for Obama on Current TV? bongbong Nov 2012 Politics 2013
OP I wonder what the real vote totals are bongbong Nov 2012 Politics 2013
OP Romney's concession speech is great news for McCain! bongbong Nov 2012 Politics 2013
OP Watching Hannity for a laugh bongbong Nov 2012 Politics 2013
OP Etch-A-Sketch: The Gambler's candidate bongbong Oct 2012 Politics 2013
OP Are binders full of women .... bongbong Oct 2012 Politics 2013
OP I hate to say it .... bongbong Oct 2012 Politics 2013

CREEKDOG:

OP The shooting of the Sheriff in WV should make us reflect on the purpose of arming ourselves CreekDog Yesterday Gun Control Reform Activism
OP If you make a death threat towards somebody, you should be banned for life from owning firearms CreekDog Wednesday Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Let's list some false arguments that NRA and proponents use against gun and ammo regulation CreekDog Mar 31 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Most signaled intersections are unsafe for pedestrians, here's why (we need to encourage walking!) CreekDog Mar 29 Environment & Energy
OP Most signaled intersections are unsafe for pedestrians, here's why CreekDog Mar 29 Public Transportation and Smart Growth
OP Most signaled intersections are unsafe, here's why CreekDog Mar 29 General Discussion
OP When and how guns make you safer CreekDog Mar 29 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Guns don't solve gun problems and guns don't solve violence CreekDog Mar 28 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Hosts should not have fellow co-hosts of their respective groups on ignore CreekDog Mar 22 Ask the Administrators
OP so in your haste to delete Meta, there's no longer info about MIRT CreekDog Mar 20 Ask the Administrators
OP Zeroing In on Lead in Hunters’ Bullets CreekDog Mar 20 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Hosts? CreekDog Mar 20 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Pew Study says MSNBC is almost all "opinion", but what I don't undersand is this: CreekDog Mar 19 General Discussion
OP Guns are not toys and shooting is not a game CreekDog Mar 19 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP Don't forget to talk about the harm of shooting to health and the environment CreekDog Mar 19 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP After Newtown, NRA advocated required mass mental health testing CreekDog Mar 19 Gun Control Reform Activism
OP With respect to the rape/misogyny/sexist threads, you advocate against censorship CreekDog Mar 10 Ask the Administrators
OP Do you support the Voting Rights Act? CreekDog Feb 27 General Discussion
OP Activists say 4 boats collide near Antarctica in dustup over whaling CreekDog Feb 20 Environment & Energy
OP This is the fourth engine room fire that's left a Carnival ship without power CreekDog Feb 14 General Discussion

[hack89]

31. You both have the same style when posting about guns

aggressive and emotional. Liberally punctuated with smilies.

You are trying too hard here.

[CreekDog]

32. but on guns they posted extensively, and crudely about mental illness

while i was always very careful about the terminology i used because i felt those who had family members or themselves experienced mental illness should not be made fun of or lumped in with mass murderers in order to win an argument at DU.

so i have an issue with what you're saying here.

secondly, i post on environmental issues, they didn't/don't.

basically you're lumping me in because we both supported gun control and that's basically all you got. our styles are different, our interests were different, they got themselves banned because they couldn't control themselves.

and i am not that way.

but we're the same, or something, or whatever.

[CreekDog]

33. Are you saying I make racist or racially insensitive remarks about African Americans, you must be...

you said i post in the same style when it comes to guns.

i looked into it and bongbong was PPR'd for using a racially insensitive term in a thread about guns, then refusing to apologize, telling people to take up their offense with Quentin Tarantino.

since you say on the subject of guns, that me and bongbong posted similarly, are you saying that i post racially insensitive things that use offensive terms like bongbong did?

is that what you're saying? is that really what you are saying?

please find in my history where i used a racially insensitive term with respect to African Americans or any people of color to win an argument.

again, you've said that we have the same "style" of posting and that's what bongbong did, so put up or shut up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2311824

[hack89]

34. Of course not - never crossed my mind

like I told you, it is the aggressive and emotional tone. You do seem more sensitive than he was though.

[CreekDog]

35. to be fair, you just said I posted similarly about guns as a poster who was banned for racism

racism in the gungeon.

so don't act like I'm asking you an unreasonable question.

the other thing is not to mistake sensitivity --you can't hurt my feelings, for what this really is...not letting you get away with false statements as a way to oppose gun control. that you mistake that for "sensitivity" is disappointing but not surprising.

[hack89]

36. I don't oppose gun control

I support universal background checks, limits on magazine size plus all of the president's executive orders. The only things I don't support is the AWB and registration.

I live in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in America - we have had universal background checks for quite awhile. All of my representatives in DC support gun control and I voted for them.

We have more in common then you would imagine.

[CreekDog]

37. Again, let's remind you that you said my posting was of a similar style to a poster who was banned

for racially insensitive posts and doubled down on them.

THAT is whom you said I shared common ground with and styles with.

[hack89]

38. Similar does not equal identical, does it?

I told you that I was not thinking of bongbong's spectacular flameout when I said that. I apologize for any confusion.

[onehandle]

7. A Serbian with a gun 'triggered' World War One.

Teh power of teh gun is win!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_of_Austria

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. You see, gun violence isn't a uniquely American problem after all!

We can be just like Serbia!

[Auntie Bush]

21. Copy cat! Now let's see who can break the world record on how many people they can kill.

Guns Kill!

If we had a middle finger icon I'd give one to Wayne Pee-here.