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Aquavit

(488 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:53 PM Apr 2013

President Obama hails Thatcher as "great champion of freedom."

Source: The Guardian

Barack Obama led tributes from the United States to the former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, whose death on Friday led to an outpouring of remembrances that went well beyond normal courtesies.

Obama described Thatcher as "one of the great champions of freedom and liberty" and a true friend to the US. Former president George HW Bush and the Republican House speaker John Boehner also paid generous tributes.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-dies-tributes-obama



Are you bloody kidding me, Mr. President??
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President Obama hails Thatcher as "great champion of freedom." (Original Post) Aquavit Apr 2013 OP
Sigh ... Myrina Apr 2013 #1
my thoughts exactly. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #48
Of course he would. Cleita Apr 2013 #2
Oh my god. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #3
+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #50
+2 byeya Apr 2013 #74
I know that he had to come out with a statement, Beacool Apr 2013 #4
That's the thing - he has to play nice - that's expected from the President. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #8
Well she did BeerIsClear Apr 2013 #29
I don't buy this one for her or St. Ronnie... rwsanders Apr 2013 #31
No. She didn't. mac56 Apr 2013 #32
exactly! Carolina Apr 2013 #65
Thank you so much for saying that! tavalon Apr 2013 #113
Perfect! City Lights Apr 2013 #125
That one's a keeper--"roosters taking credit for the sunrise." nt raccoon Apr 2013 #127
Bullshit. Gorbachev and the people of Eastern Europe and Russia did that. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #70
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA Doctor_J Apr 2013 #77
The Soviet Union was collapsing on its own. Beacool Apr 2013 #88
hahahahaha Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #105
Interesting... Hugabear Apr 2013 #115
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #123
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #133
that is pretty benign. he didn't say she was a great economic force for good. pansypoo53219 Apr 2013 #42
She was a "Champion of Freedom & Liberty" for whom, though??? KoKo Apr 2013 #56
For the proper people, the better sort, the ones who matter. If you weren't riff-raff, she'd approve Bucky Apr 2013 #82
He could have said . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #83
I got to remember that phrase. Beacool Apr 2013 #89
nothing shocks me carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #5
Relax. It's all politics. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #6
Relaxing is the hard part. Democracy is hanging by a thread thx in part to Reagan & Thatcher. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #10
+10 n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #14
There's no possible political reason to do this. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #68
Getting warmed up for the GWB Library grand opening Blue Owl Apr 2013 #7
Great champion of freedom for the .001%, most certainly. They can do valerief Apr 2013 #9
One more reason this week to reassess Mr. Obama. leveymg Apr 2013 #11
Sadly, I've come to the same conclusion. firenewt Apr 2013 #58
It's your job as a world leader to say what is expected of you... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #12
And I was called a "RW Shitstain" for pointing out that she didn't start an illegal war. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #13
no she merely advocated very loudly for that war dsc Apr 2013 #15
Did you know they deployed nukes? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #33
I was actually refering to Iraq dsc Apr 2013 #36
Maggie was trying to prove she was tough to her own base. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #30
LOL. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #61
How can anyone who posts as "Nye Bevan" use a picture of Winston Fucking Churchill as his icon? Ken Burch Apr 2013 #72
I picked "Nye Bevan" because of his role in setting up the NHS, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #78
I guess it always surprises me to see the name you post under Ken Burch Apr 2013 #84
The irony is, I almost certainly support more of President Obama's policies than you do. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #85
I don't always agree with you. But you shouldn't let people bully you here. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #128
I support a lot of Obama's policies, it's just that I wish he'd go further. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #130
seems accurate. RetroLounge Apr 2013 #103
You AGAIN? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #106
Public discussion board RetroLounge Apr 2013 #108
President Obama didn't start any illegal wars treestar Apr 2013 #110
I'm pretty sure a current head of state has to be respectful to a deceased former head of state . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #16
Really? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #52
+1 XemaSab Apr 2013 #92
Just a point that's not intuitive. The British Prime Minister is the Chief Executive but is not 24601 Apr 2013 #63
In all seriousness, WTF else could he have said? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #17
Something not quite as false? Hissyspit Apr 2013 #18
Just about anything else? Aquavit Apr 2013 #19
How about. "She Was Prime Minster Of the Uk. Some people will miss her. Thank you." Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #21
Read his statement about Chavez. nt alsame Apr 2013 #22
England is one of our top 3 allies, so the situation is just a *little* different... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #25
My point is that you can express alsame Apr 2013 #27
She was not a "great champion of freedom" so for starters he could have refrained totodeinhere Apr 2013 #23
He's also called her "a true friend" of the US. Aquavit Apr 2013 #44
Great example in post 116 suffragette Apr 2013 #120
I think Obama now feels liberated to show himself as truly a "centrist Republican". LoisB Apr 2013 #20
*facepalm* sakabatou Apr 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #26
What a fucking stupid thing to say... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #28
Let the corpse-f**cking begin! pink-o Apr 2013 #34
And the media has already begun to use this as alsame Apr 2013 #35
Argh and Nat Geo is having an "80s week" or something LeftInTX Apr 2013 #51
The prisoners that were locked up in the H-block in No. Ireland CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #37
Freedom for what? Freedom for the elite to garner wealth on the backs of the working class? Roland99 Apr 2013 #38
Freedom from lots of things! Aquavit Apr 2013 #40
Yup. The same "freedoms" all Right Wingers care about: "freedom" of the wealthy and powerful to Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2013 #55
Freedom to starve for what you believe in Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2013 #75
Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were the leaders of the "Greed is Good" political movement... TeamPooka Apr 2013 #41
Well...our President has always admired Reagan... KoKo Apr 2013 #57
I think he admires their success as "politicians" at heart. Being elected and re-elected is a skill TeamPooka Apr 2013 #80
Um maybe a speech writer .. we don't know for sure. He had to say something PC. YOHABLO Apr 2013 #86
Oh yeah, who can forget that he compared Ronnie favorably over Bill Clinton. Beacool Apr 2013 #90
meh, she was an important leader of an important ally charlie and algernon Apr 2013 #43
He could have just left it as "the former PM of the UK died today, condolences to her family." n/t Aquavit Apr 2013 #45
it's still needlessly creating conflict charlie and algernon Apr 2013 #47
+1 SunSeeker Apr 2013 #62
If Obama said nothing... tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #46
Saying nothing is better than saying untruthful things Aquavit Apr 2013 #49
+1 n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #60
Exactly treestar Apr 2013 #111
Presidential equivalent of a Stepford Wife. no_hypocrisy Apr 2013 #53
What did you expect? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #54
Freedom? Ask any unemployed miner in the UK how much "freedom" Mag created Ken Burch Apr 2013 #59
She's just his type. forestpath Apr 2013 #64
oh well...... madrchsod Apr 2013 #66
very sad Carolina Apr 2013 #67
unless you were a Chilean Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2013 #69
Or South African JVS Apr 2013 #107
Pinochet, too? Octafish Apr 2013 #71
That bastard better be in Hell!!!!!!!!!! Beacool Apr 2013 #91
Someone saw him at the bookstore... Octafish Apr 2013 #93
Thank you, I had never seen that. Beacool Apr 2013 #100
the whole rest of the world disagrees Doctor_J Apr 2013 #73
He was just being nice. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #76
She'd be proud of him tularetom Apr 2013 #79
Well, what do you expect? Bucky Apr 2013 #81
I agree and I think Clinton has a touch of masochist in him too olddots Apr 2013 #94
It's meaningless to us, whatever Obama says about Thatcher the day after she died. Quantess Apr 2013 #87
Obama is a diplomat. mia Apr 2013 #95
Oh, brother. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #96
Obama drooled all over daddy Bush, too. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #97
I've gotta agree with the President on this one. Pterodactyl Apr 2013 #98
WTF? What fucking freedom and liberty? Oh, you mean freedom for the 1% to rob the country idwiyo Apr 2013 #99
I Think This Likely Will Be A Bad Week For Obama rsmith6621 Apr 2013 #101
Some of you people are being silly jzodda Apr 2013 #102
This place gets dumber every day BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #104
Exactly. Obama = BAD! BAD! BAD! All day long! it's ridiculous. Trashing thread. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #118
If he called her an asshole and danced on her grave treestar Apr 2013 #109
The guy liked Reagan too, tavalon Apr 2013 #112
In the words of George Carlin... Fearless Apr 2013 #114
That was NOT being PC Celefin Apr 2013 #116
Great example of the difference of paying respects and of actually praising her suffragette Apr 2013 #119
Well, he can't piss on her grave like us. Arkana Apr 2013 #117
Of course he would since he admires Reagan so much Catherina Apr 2013 #121
it's what i would expect from him, I am sure he admired her greatly! nt boilerbabe Apr 2013 #122
Good grief! City Lights Apr 2013 #124
He seems determined to go off the rails with a vengeance, in this second term... villager Apr 2013 #126
You can say it's politics, but this goes beyond what was necessary for him. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #129
Sure. People were liberated right out of their jobs. alarimer Apr 2013 #131
Politics as usual. Still Blue in PDX Apr 2013 #132

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
4. I know that he had to come out with a statement,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM
Apr 2013

but saying that she was "great champion of freedom" is a huge stretch.

Gee...........

BeerIsClear

(15 posts)
29. Well she did
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

participate heavily in bringing down the Soviet Union. That would make her pretty strong in the way of championing freedom.

Just sayin'

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
31. I don't buy this one for her or St. Ronnie...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

To me that really diminishes the role of all the people who risked thier lives for freedom in those countries.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
113. Thank you so much for saying that!
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:58 AM
Apr 2013

Never were truer words typed.

Hell, if any nation gets any credit, it should be Afghanistan. Yeah, the same country that destroyed England's empiric aspirations and pulled the USSR into an unwinnable war and is likely to take down a third Empire if we don't buy a clue.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
70. Bullshit. Gorbachev and the people of Eastern Europe and Russia did that.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:27 PM
Apr 2013

It wasn't our business to bring down the Soviet Union anyway. It was just another country, for God's sakes, and we were always being paranoid and silly to act like it was the only place on the planet that mattered.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
88. The Soviet Union was collapsing on its own.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:46 PM
Apr 2013

Thatcher and Reagan may have coaxed it along, but it was Gorbachev and the people of Eastern Europe who were ready for a change. In other words, the Soviet Union would have collapsed without these two neocon's help.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
115. Interesting...
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:59 AM
Apr 2013

Interesting how you crawled out of whatever hole you live under to defend someone as vile and wretched as Margaret Thatcher.

Response to Hugabear (Reply #115)

Bucky

(53,953 posts)
82. For the proper people, the better sort, the ones who matter. If you weren't riff-raff, she'd approve
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:26 PM
Apr 2013

Filthy little buggers in the 47%, thinking they can pay less in taxes that the wealthy and still get the same weight given to their filthy little votes. Ew. After all, it was the Americans who came up with the whole no taxation without representation business. Shouldn't the reverse be true. If you want a vote the equal of a rich man, you'd bloody well better be willing to fork over the levies of a rich man for the privilege, eh what?

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
83. He could have said . . .
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:27 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 PM - Edit history (1)

"Baroness Thatcher was a great and effective champion of the causes for which she stood." It's perfectly respectful, while remaining utterly neutral on the question of whether the things she stood for were good or bad.

It's rather like a comment I use when I know a person is expecting me to say something positive about something I don't necessarily like or agree with: "It's an excellent example of its kind."

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
68. There's no possible political reason to do this.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:25 PM
Apr 2013

Obama has nothing to gain by kissing the ass of the most vile, destructive, life-crushing monster in British political history.

And "freedom" was never in danger during Thatcher's era, anyway. There was no chance of a global Soviet takeover, and there never really had been.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
12. It's your job as a world leader to say what is expected of you...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:05 PM
Apr 2013

And make empty apologies when someone's feelings are hurt when you step out of line.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. And I was called a "RW Shitstain" for pointing out that she didn't start an illegal war.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:06 PM
Apr 2013

So what does that make President Obama?

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #13)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
72. How can anyone who posts as "Nye Bevan" use a picture of Winston Fucking Churchill as his icon?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:29 PM
Apr 2013

Nye Bevan was a left-wing Welsh socialist. He HATED Churchill and Churchill's entire imperialist view of life.

If you're going to use Bevan's name, you have an obligation to understand his life and his values and to RESPECT them.

Nye Bevan isn't just a random name...it means something.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
78. I picked "Nye Bevan" because of his role in setting up the NHS,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:00 PM
Apr 2013

to demonstrate my support for universal healthcare.

And I just like Winston Churchill.

I didn't see that personal dislike between my username and my avatar would present much of a problem.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
84. I guess it always surprises me to see the name you post under
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:39 PM
Apr 2013

attached to posts that mainly seem to bash the Left, rather than attack the Right.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
85. The irony is, I almost certainly support more of President Obama's policies than you do.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:04 PM
Apr 2013

Earlier today someone accused me of being a "right-wing shitstain". When I pointed out that I supported the ACA (President Obama's signature achievement) the response derided this as "corporate friendly legislation". Then I pointed out that I was in favor of legalizing pot. The response was that "there are plenty of pot smoking republicans". Then I pointed out that I was in favor of marriage equality long before Obama was. And of course I got "but many conservatives support same-sex marriage".

I think all this is symptomatic of a bit of a conundrum for those here who believe that Obama is too much of a centrist. When people like me who support all or most of Obama's positions are derided as "right-wing shitstains", what is really being expressed is anger and frustration at President Obama. A post calling Obama a "right-wing shitstain" would almost certainly be hidden; it's much safer to hurl insults at someone like me who mostly supports Obama. It's quite interesting.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
128. I don't always agree with you. But you shouldn't let people bully you here.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:40 PM
Apr 2013

And I would tell anyone else the same thing.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
130. I support a lot of Obama's policies, it's just that I wish he'd go further.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

And my big complaint with him these days is that, on "national security" issues, he's sometimes to the right of Kissinger. I mean, Obama was ok with our troops killing innocent, unarmed journalists in Iraq(that's one of the things Bradley Manning brought to light, and one of the big reasons that poor. harmless kid is being so viciously persecuted by a supposedly "liberal" administration.)

I don't think anybody on this board should be called a shitstain.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
16. I'm pretty sure a current head of state has to be respectful to a deceased former head of state . .
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

. . . no matter how ruthlessly shitty she was to the workers and industries of that state or how much she courted dictators or demented puppets disguised as presidents.

Write this off as "decorum".

24601

(3,955 posts)
63. Just a point that's not intuitive. The British Prime Minister is the Chief Executive but is not
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:22 PM
Apr 2013

their Head of State. We are use to the same individual being both but that's not the norm worldwide. The British Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II. She does not exercise Chief Executive Powers and her job is primarily ceremonial, including "Commander in Chief" of their Armed Forces.

Under our Constitution, the President is the "'real" Commander in Chief.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
25. England is one of our top 3 allies, so the situation is just a *little* different...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:21 PM
Apr 2013

I'm not saying I agree with the president's assessment, or that he didn't pile the praise a little too high, but posters in this thread thinking Obama is going to start picking apart Thatcher's legacy (that's our job), or damning her with faint praise before she's even in the ground should take a look at how presidential decorum operates...

alsame

(7,784 posts)
27. My point is that you can express
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

condolences diplomatically without saying anything complimentary, if you so choose.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
23. She was not a "great champion of freedom" so for starters he could have refrained
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:14 PM
Apr 2013

from saying that. He could have merely expressed his condolences to the family and left it at that.

LoisB

(7,188 posts)
20. I think Obama now feels liberated to show himself as truly a "centrist Republican".
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

"Freedom and liberty" - how Republican of him.

Response to Aquavit (Original post)

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
28. What a fucking stupid thing to say...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

...look I know he has to do the whole 'Statesman' thing, but Maggie was a power-hungry b*tch that hurt millions of people...Also, not sure how you square that comment with her support of the dictator Pinochet...he didn't offer much in the way of freedom or liberty...

Mr President, sometimes it's okay not just not say anything at all..

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
34. Let the corpse-f**cking begin!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

I'm thinking of fasting for the next week because the piling on of Maggot Thatcher's attributes is gonna make it hard to keep my food down.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
35. And the media has already begun to use this as
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:33 PM
Apr 2013

an excuse to once again praise his holiness St Ronald of Reagan.

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
37. The prisoners that were locked up in the H-block in No. Ireland
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:39 PM
Apr 2013

would not agree if any of them happen to still be alive.

Maggie hated the Irish and she never tried to hide this fact.

Aquavit

(488 posts)
40. Freedom from lots of things!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

Freedom from having a good job, if you're a union member.

Freedom from a decent lunch, if you're a school child.

Freedom from freedom, if you happen to have been born in Northern Ireland.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
55. Yup. The same "freedoms" all Right Wingers care about: "freedom" of the wealthy and powerful to
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:10 PM
Apr 2013

acquire more wealth and power.

TeamPooka

(24,210 posts)
41. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were the leaders of the "Greed is Good" political movement...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

in the 1980's enacting laws that gave companies tax breaks to relocate their businesses ultimately decimating domestic manufacturing and leading to the rise of outsourcing that we continue to suffer from today.
So when right wing idiots say "Corporations are people" and "Tax breaks for the rich trickle down" they are repeating the long sewn seeds of bullshit originally spewed by these two morons that they worship even though they fucked up two countries economies for decades.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
57. Well...our President has always admired Reagan...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:54 PM
Apr 2013

so...there we have it. Reagan and Thatcher were "best buddies"....so I guess it follows that he might have a high opinion of Thatcher.

In this case the Repugs didn't make him do it...He chose to say Thatcher was a "A Champion of Freedom" all on his own. Disappointing.

TeamPooka

(24,210 posts)
80. I think he admires their success as "politicians" at heart. Being elected and re-elected is a skill
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:14 PM
Apr 2013

that all politicians admire about each other.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
43. meh, she was an important leader of an important ally
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:31 PM
Apr 2013

No matter how shitty said leader was, the President isn't going to insult an important ally. It's politics. Nothing more.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
47. it's still needlessly creating conflict
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:42 PM
Apr 2013

If he just says that then people ask "that's it?"

So he gives the required flowery language and everyone moves on with their day.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
46. If Obama said nothing...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:38 PM
Apr 2013

DUers would say he was being overly partisan. If he said something negative, DUers would say he's being disrespectful to her and her family. Everything he does is wrong.

DUers attack this man just as much as the Freepers do now. You would never see them putting down one of their own like this.

Aquavit

(488 posts)
49. Saying nothing is better than saying untruthful things
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:55 PM
Apr 2013

And that's exactly what the President is doing here. She was flatly *not* a champion for freedom, period. I would much rather he just say "the former PM of the United Kingdom has died, and I give my condolences to her family" than make up some favorable non-truth about her. What she's done with her life had very real, very bad effects on her own people and it's not ok to re-write her history in a more favorable way just because it is seen by a few as the "respectful" thing to do.

Also, not especially appreciating the comparison to Freepers here. The wonderful thing about the people on the left is that we think for ourselves and will rightly call out our own when they are wrong. Freepers just mindlessly bleat whatever they're told to bleat, no matter how obviously untrue or malicious it might be.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
111. Exactly
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:30 AM
Apr 2013

If he danced on her grave, it would be the same thing. How dare he do that to a world leader? It makes us look bad.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
59. Freedom? Ask any unemployed miner in the UK how much "freedom" Mag created
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:00 PM
Apr 2013

Ask any Briton of colour who was harassed under the all-but-white supremacist immigration and policing policies Thatcher imposed(and that "New Labour" to its eternal disgrace, needlessly continued).

Ask any grieving British parent whose LGBT child committed suicide in the Eighties because the school counsellors were forbidden to do anything to reassure that child that she or he was "normal" or "all right" even though they'd been born LGBT, as a result of that miserable harridan's hateful "Section 28" policy forbidding school or public mental health authorities from treating LGBT people with compassion and understanding how much "freedom" the Iron Lady allowed THEIR child to have a life.

Ask anyone who spent years sleeping rough on the streets of London, Liverpool, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester or any other large UK city due to Mag The Knife's brutal cuts in housing benefit how much "freedom" they had...if you can find any who didn't die of pneumonia.

Ask anyone in that era who protested for peace or picketed in defense of the rights of working people to a decent wage, decent working conditions and a life built on dignity and respect how much "freedom" they were given to carry on their legitimate and honourable campaigns for human decency.

Ask any Traveller who was hounded from town to town by brutal Tory local councils how much "freedom" they had under Thatcherism.

Ask. I DARE you.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
67. very sad
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
Apr 2013

I now have the same reactions to Obama that I did to Bush:

Swearing at the TV
Echoing my congresscritter's 'You lie' exclamation
Hitting the mute or off buttons

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
69. unless you were a Chilean
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:26 PM
Apr 2013

in that case, Maggie's idea of 'freedom' was defending the mass murdering dictator and helping escape justice for his crimes

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
91. That bastard better be in Hell!!!!!!!!!!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:01 PM
Apr 2013

He died at 91. Unfortunately, that was a privilege denied to Salvador Allende and thousands of his supporters.

Hey Maggie, say hello to Augusto.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
93. Someone saw him at the bookstore...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:30 PM
Apr 2013


General Pinochet at the Bookstore

Santiago, Chile, July 2004

The general’s limo parked at the corner of San Diego street
and his bodyguard escorted him to the bookstore
called La Oportunidad, so he could browse
for rare works of history.

There were no bloody fingerprints left on the pages.
No books turned to ash at his touch.
He did not track the soil of mass graves on his shoes,
nor did his eyes glow red with a demon’s heat.

Worse: His hands were scrubbed, and his eyes were blue,
and the dementia that raged in his head like a demon,
making the general’s trial impossible, had disappeared.

Desaparecido: like thousands dead but not dead,
as the crowd reminded the general,
gathered outside the bookstore to jeer
when he scurried away with his bodyguards,
so much smaller in person.

-- Martín Espada
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
73. the whole rest of the world disagrees
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:37 PM
Apr 2013

I'm getting kind of tired of listening to the president recite Republican talking points every single day

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
79. She'd be proud of him
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:13 PM
Apr 2013

Even Ronnie didn't have the brass ones to propose cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

And the way he changed the subject to gun control when everybody started bitching...she would have thought that was masterful.

I don't know why republicans hate the man so much, he's just doing what they always want to do, but he's so much better at it.

Bucky

(53,953 posts)
81. Well, what do you expect?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:22 PM
Apr 2013

I think he still thinks he can get them to like him. I'm glad he's president, but there's a touch of masochist to this man.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
94. I agree and I think Clinton has a touch of masochist in him too
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 PM
Apr 2013

maybe we liberal-progressive democrats are too eager to please because we want justice , peace and freedom so much it hurts .

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
87. It's meaningless to us, whatever Obama says about Thatcher the day after she died.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:42 PM
Apr 2013

Our leader is expected to be classy and say something nice.

mia

(8,360 posts)
95. Obama is a diplomat.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:45 PM
Apr 2013

I wish he had the wit and courage of Thatcher and could put his opponents in their places.
Thatcher was no placater.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
99. WTF? What fucking freedom and liberty? Oh, you mean freedom for the 1% to rob the country
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:02 PM
Apr 2013

blind? THAT freedom and liberty?

Why thank you, Sir! At least I know who's side you are on, without a doubt now.



rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
101. I Think This Likely Will Be A Bad Week For Obama
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:16 PM
Apr 2013


...this comment though expected and social security cuts he has a lot of tomatoes to dodge.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
102. Some of you people are being silly
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:35 PM
Apr 2013

The President of the US is not like the Prime minister of UK. He is also the Head of State.

Its the job of the head of state to say bullshit stuff like this. She was the leader of UK- he has to say something and it had to be nice.

I bet that its not how he really feels. I am sure if the timing wasn't so bad he would have quite a few bad things to say about her. Now is not the time.

The UK is one of our strongest allies and when something like this happens it is expected that you say nice things. You people who want to "re-evaluate" the president over this have gone off the deep end.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
109. If he called her an asshole and danced on her grave
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:27 AM
Apr 2013

It would be the same thing. Oh Mr. President how unprofessional. Come on, you know that's how you'd play it. You'd be shocked at his dissing a world leader.



Fearless

(18,421 posts)
114. In the words of George Carlin...
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:10 AM
Apr 2013

"It's a big club and you ain't in it."

The elite have more in common with each other than with the rest of the world. They care more about that similarity than mere political differences.

Anyone who says that Thatcher is a "great champion of freedom" needs their head examined. There I said it.

Celefin

(532 posts)
116. That was NOT being PC
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:00 AM
Apr 2013

Political correctness would entail not hurting the feelings of millions of people, no?
Ask the people in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland what Maggie did for them.
Ask the Chileans, the black South Africans

This is adding insult to injury, plain and simple. And completely needlessly so.
If you want to say something respectful about miss 'there is no such thing as society'...

Then say something like 'she always was true to her convictions and committed to lead Britain steadfastly as our most valued ally'... or something like that.

But freedom and liberty? That's just plain insulting.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
119. Great example of the difference of paying respects and of actually praising her
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:10 AM
Apr 2013

And praising her is what he did and, I agree, it's insulting to all those who suffered so greatly under her policies.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
117. Well, he can't piss on her grave like us.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:57 AM
Apr 2013

He's a world leader--part of the job is being magnanimous.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
121. Of course he would since he admires Reagan so much
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013

This shines just another light on what Obama considers being a "great champion of freedom and liberty" as well as his views on "freedom and liberty".

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
129. You can say it's politics, but this goes beyond what was necessary for him.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

I guess it shows you the hazards of holding to the "center" when the "center" is so skewed to the right.

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