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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:20 AM Apr 2013

Tony Blair and Iraq: The damning evidence

Source: Independent



Hitherto unseen evidence given to the Chilcot Inquiry by British intelligence has revealed that former prime minister Tony Blair was told that Iraq had, at most, only a trivial amount of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and that Libya was in this respect a far greater threat.

Intelligence officers have disclosed that just the day before Mr Blair went to visit president George Bush in April 2002, he appeared to accept this but returned a "changed man" and subsequently ordered the production of dossiers to "find the intelligence" that he wanted to use to justify going to war.

This and other secret evidence (given in camera) to the inquiry will, The Independent on Sunday understands, be used as the basis for severe criticism of the former prime minister when the Chilcot report is published.

Mr Blair is said to have "realised" and "understood" that Libya was the real threat and that he knew "it would not be sensible to lead the argument on Saddam and the WMD issue" according to evidence of a conversation on 4 April 2002, the day before he flew to the US to spend a weekend with Mr Bush.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-and-iraq-the-damning-evidence-8563133.html

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Tony Blair and Iraq: The damning evidence (Original Post) dipsydoodle Apr 2013 OP
Does "Severe Criticism" come with a custodial sentence? Bosonic Apr 2013 #1
Disgusting person! LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #2
If the Poodle gets "severe criticism", what does the Poodle Whisperer get? deminks Apr 2013 #3
Wouldn't it be something skydive forever Apr 2013 #4
To The Hague chuckstevens Apr 2013 #5
UK does at least recognise the ICC dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #6
wrong audience krkaufman Apr 2013 #12
If he needs immunity, all he has to do is come to the U.S. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #7
Typical, like his counter part - W. Iliyah Apr 2013 #8
Sadly, Bill Clinton urged Blair to be George Bush's 'best friend' on Iraq and blm Apr 2013 #9
Hmm Solly Mack Apr 2013 #10
Did Python write this line? krkaufman Apr 2013 #11
The only thing the removal of Saddam did was make his Stalin-esque mustache less popular. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #13
'"star-struck" by Mr Bush' got me underpants Apr 2013 #18
The thing Blair "realized" and "understood" after meeting with Bush LiberalLovinLug Apr 2013 #14
To The Hague, plus bankrupt Bush and Blair families totally to help pay for war on point Apr 2013 #15
Bush, Cheney and cronies ARE convicted war criminals. cbrer Apr 2013 #16
I've always dreamed of "Severe Criticism" for committing a felony Left Coast2020 Apr 2013 #17
Hell *I* could have told you that underpants Apr 2013 #19
tony fed grapes to dumbya tout_le_monde Apr 2013 #20
Yet even now in interviews, there's no hint of remorse from Blair. Matilda Apr 2013 #21
 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
5. To The Hague
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:08 AM
Apr 2013

If Blair were sent to the Hague for a war crimes trial, would that not finally expose the truth about Bush and Cheney to the world?

krkaufman

(13,433 posts)
12. wrong audience
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013
If Blair were sent to the Hague for a war crimes trial, would that not finally expose the truth about Bush and Cheney to the world?


I'm pretty sure "the world" is already well aware of the criminality of the Bush/Cheney regime, minus the subset known as the USofA -- and I expect our media would continue to protect us from such unpleasantness, were such a trial to happen.

blm

(113,019 posts)
9. Sadly, Bill Clinton urged Blair to be George Bush's 'best friend' on Iraq and
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

other matters involving military and foreign policy. The 'evidence' on Iraq didn't change from when Clinton left in 2001 to April2002. Clinton knew better and supported Bush every step of the way, including pushing Blair and DC Dems.

krkaufman

(13,433 posts)
11. Did Python write this line?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013
... will be used as the basis for severe criticism of the former prime minister


This statement caused me to laugh out loud, it is so utterly ridiculous -- though, for my sanity, I'm going to hold out hope that "criticism" has an alternate, more favorable meaning in the UK, like "torch," "lift," etc.

Of course, the hawks here and there will all rationalize that the removal of Saddam and his entire regime was instrumental in getting Khaddafi to negotiate away some of his weapons programs and move towards normalized relations.

underpants

(182,632 posts)
18. '"star-struck" by Mr Bush' got me
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

I can't imagine that he is in any way impressive in person and certainly not what we saw of him.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
14. The thing Blair "realized" and "understood" after meeting with Bush
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:53 PM
Apr 2013

was that he was to get a cushy position in The Carlyle Group weapons manufacturers after he eventually stepped down if he played along.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
16. Bush, Cheney and cronies ARE convicted war criminals.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:59 PM
Apr 2013

In Malaysia.

"Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II."

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/13/george-w-bush-dick-cheney-convicted-of-war-crimes/

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
17. I've always dreamed of "Severe Criticism" for committing a felony
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 05:37 PM
Apr 2013

Especially when it comes to putting a little extra cash in my pocket.

"Your Honor, I plead guilty and will accept Severe Criticism" as my punsihment.

Matilda

(6,384 posts)
21. Yet even now in interviews, there's no hint of remorse from Blair.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:11 AM
Apr 2013

He still speaks in the same earnest pseudo-sincere way of the reasons why war was necessary.

I wonder whether he's trying to fool us still, or has he really convinced himself?

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