Ben Carson apologizes to Johns Hopkins
Source: Politico
Maryland neurosurgeon Ben Carson, the nationally celebrated physician who has become a political lightning rod in recent weeks after his criticism of President Barack Obama and gay marriage, sent an apologetic email Friday to the Johns Hopkins University community expressing regret for hurting others with his words.
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In a Friday email to the Hopkins community which a source shared with POLITICO Carson apologized for having caused any embarrassment to the institutions he has been affiliated with.
As you know, I have been in the national news quite a bit recently and my 36 year association with Johns Hopkins has unfortunately dragged our institution into the spotlight as well. I am sorry for any embarrassment this has caused, wrote Carson, who is the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. But what really saddens me is that my poorly chosen words caused pain for some members of our community and for that I offer a most sincere and heartfelt apology. Hurting others is diametrically opposed to who I am and what I believe.
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There are many lessons to be learned when venturing into the political world and this is one I will not forget. Although I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, there are much less offensive ways to make that point. I hope all will look at a lifetime of service over some poorly chosen words, he said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/ben-carson-apologizes-to-johns-hopkins-89681.html
Other coverage:
Baltimore Sun: "Hopkins CEO says Ben Carson remarks inconsistent with medical school's culture; Carson issues his own letter apologizing" http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/maryland-health/bs-hs-carson-letter-20130405,0,3088358.story
Raw Story: "Ben Carson apologizes to Johns Hopkins community for 'poorly chosen' anti-LGBT remarks"
Think Progress: "Ben Carson Finally Apologizes For Comparing Same-Sex Marriage To Pedophilia"
I think his apology is genuine, not an empty one like he gave in the 48 or so hours after that disastrous Sean Hannity interview. Yet the doctor a few days back was crying "RACISM" in an interview with Mark Levin:
And given the "Carson for President" hype, will Carson pull a Rob Portman and turn around FOR gay marriage come 2016 more for the political points than personal convictions?
MinneapolisMatt
(1,550 posts)What a fool. That shit don't fly anymore.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... What are they waiting for? Christmas?
24601
(3,959 posts)not send the message to everyone, especially to an African-American world-class surgeon, that it simply is not even remotely acceptable to express a personal beliefs that fails to follow the party line. Faculty who deviate from the approved talking points cannot be tolerated or it could lead to independent thinking and freedom of thought. It's imperative that Big Brother squash these non-approved ideas before it spreads to other faculty or, God forbid, their students.
Whatever happened to, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?
[link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire|
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... Nothing, if he wasn't associated with Johns Hopkins Hospital, a non-profit institution, which accepts donations. A non-profit is required by law to be apolitical. What he said can be interpreted as political, and besides, what he said was very discriminatory. What makes it even more bizarre is that he is a black man, blatantly advocating discrimination.
24601
(3,959 posts)from taking a political stand as long as it's non-partisan. There's no shortage of legitimate political issues - take abortion and gun control as examples. There are no restrictions from a church or fraternal order of police chapter organizing for or against either side.
The legal line is drawn, however, when they move from issues to support for a candidate in an election where at least one candidate represents a political party, or is even endorsed by a party. Supporting a candidate in a strictly non-partisan elections, for example many school boards, aren't prohibited.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Save 4 dumb Dem senators.
24601
(3,959 posts)Senior Executive Service Office Chief. One day he came back from a meeting and was really steamed because someone at the meeting was wearing an "Impeach Clinton" button. My boss said he almost told the guy to take it off but wasn't sufficiently up on the rules - and asked me to check it out, I called out Agency Designated Ethics Officials. They said this question was outside their jurisdiction and I had ti directly call the US Government Office of Special Counsel (OSC) - the folks who keep civil servants from prohibited partisan activity and enforce the Hatch Act.
OSC told me that it was a good thing that my boss had not intervened because, although it might be in bad taste, wearing the "Impeach Clinton" button was completely legal. They said that Impeachment is not partisan but is instead a Constitutional process. They explained also that Bill Clinton was no longer a candidate in a partisan election so the button could not reasonably be interpreted as supporting a candidate, and, that advocating his impeachment was constitutionally-protected speech.
So the take-away was that even when politics align with party positions, if it's an issue instead of advocating the election or defeat of a candidate in a race with party affiliation, then the advocacy is officially nonpartisan and is protected by the Constitution. [link:http://www.osc.gov/|
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I am aware of the legal boundaries, as I volunteer for a non-profit and the rules are the same. I was merely making an observation.
That said, it is funny how the "impeach Clinton" guy's favorite party is the one that is in love with "at will" employment, and the ability to fire someone for whatever you please, as policy.
Another observation.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)Although I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, there are much less offensive ways to make that point.
Translation:
I'm still a bigot, but I just got caught.
Guess what, jackass......what you said is STILL offensive no matter HOW you say it.
Believe how you want, just don't go broadcasting it to the entire country and then whine and pule when you find out the country does not agree with you.
alp227
(32,018 posts)Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)And he changed. And admitted he was WRONG.
Can you say the same about the jack ass Carson?
alp227
(32,018 posts)He is a great doctor with a compelling life story but his choice to pursue right wing political buzz by crashing the Natl Prayer Breakfast then running his mouth on Fox shattered his reputation. He'll have to do what Obama did to get my support. I'm just questioning the idea it's bigoted to hold the personal belief on marriage being between a man and woman while not opposing gay rights as public policy. Hell, the Democratic Party only endorsed marriage equality THIS YEAR. It wasn't a long time ago when even a significant # of Democrats held this misguided "marriage is between a man and a woman" belief (DOMA a prime example).
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)What a disappointment he turned out to be.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)Okay, so if I said that only women or white man should be able to vote, then that''s not bigoted?
If I say I believe should only be housewives and have babies, uit's not biogted as long as I don't try to enforce it as law?
If it's my personal belief is to have all African American people shipped to Africa, but I don't enforce that as law, I'm not a bigot?
Sorry...it's still bigoted, like it or not.
Just because something was accepted in the recent or far past as okay, doesn't mean it isn't bigoted now.
Slavery was okay once. If I still believe that institution, does that make it okay?
Is this part of that hate the sin, love the sinner BS? Cause that's what it smells like to me.
alp227
(32,018 posts)The problem is that "marriage is between a man and a woman" seems to the last acceptable bigotry. I think it's because that message is so widely preached in churches (even left-leaning ones) that people like Obama embrace a lot of Democratic/liberal ideals but still hold on to their religious belief about marriage. And think about why a lot of Democrats had to tread in the civil unions compromise in their campaigns in the last decade, as it would be a NIGHTMARE to contend with the anti-gay lobby. We've got to learn from the nation's past and confront the truth behind "traditions" sometimes.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)The change is happening now. I'm shocked to see it progress as fast as it has in my lifetime. Too late for me to benefit from it. But bigotry against gays, Trans, people of color, anyone with a difference will be with us for probably a few more generations. And globally, it'll take longer. But bigotry in whatever form, should be confronted, a bright light shown on the person/people guilty of it. Whether shaming those people is a good idea, is another thing. The act of shaming might just make it worse. Education and exposure is the key.
Politicians, nowadays at least, just judge which waqy the wind is blowing before committing to anything. Accepting marriage equality is the new flavor currently. Gun control may become a flavor, but that's still going back and forth too much to say. I always hated the civil union thing, because of the "separate but equal" history everyone was so keen to ignore. The entertainment media did hep with this, especailly with more high-profile people coming out unrelated to AIDS. That and the ability of the Internet to give wide exposure in debunking bigoted beliefs.
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Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)I NEVER said ANY such thing.
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(9,494 posts)Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Let's see that link please!!!
alp227
(32,018 posts)as i've said, just stopping at that with a religious explanation rather than going the Santorum route
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Then you failed to prove it. Did you even listen to the good doctor comparing gays to pedophiles???? Have you heard a Democrat do that??? Have you heard the President do that???
I think your comparison is false, nasty and smacks of teabagger lies through omition.
alp227
(32,018 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)If he was really sorry he would admit he meant the words and say I was wrong to think it and I want to change. Then people could accept his apology.
randome
(34,845 posts)Hopefully, student protests will take that away from him.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)He talks about his "poor choice of words".
He chose the words. The words accurately reflect his beliefs, so they are hardly poorly chosen.
He also limits his apology to "some members of our community" who suffered pain. Again, this limits the scope of the apology to only those it caused pain, instead of those it offended, those it brought discredit upon, etc.
Also, this line:
"Although I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, there are much less offensive ways to make that point."
He simply wished to be "less offensive" while still being offensive.
And this line:
"I hope all will look at a lifetime of service over some poorly chosen words."
This is not a plea for forgiveness, but a statement of suggested mitigation.
Sorry, no dice.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)alp227
(32,018 posts)At least Obama avoided the crazy innuendo of Santorum and Carson in expressing so.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/timeline-of-obamas-evolving-on-same-sex-marriage/
OCTOBER 2004: " What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman
What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it's not simply the two persons who are meeting," then-U.S. Senate candidate Obama said in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television.
"That doesn't mean that that necessarily translates into a position on public policy or with respect to civil unions. What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved, but I also think we need to make sure that gays and lesbians have the same set of basic rights that are in place.
So while I think Dr Carson is being self serving and is speaking more for PR than moral courage, he may have a point with his "less offensive" remark, unless it is inherently bigoted to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)to say one one group of people can have a right that others do not.
What PART of bigotry are you incapable of understanding?
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(9,494 posts)Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)check who you are replying to. I never sent any link, or said such a horrible thing.
yes he was.
Just as it was offensive when people claimed they believed that marriage was only valid when practiced by members of the same race.
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Journeyman
(15,031 posts)for pointing out what he now acknowledges are his own thoughtless, carelessly chosen words of hate.
He may be good with a scalpel but he's the pits when it comes to people.
"And he wants to be our latex salesman. I don't think so."
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)He still believes what he said.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Fuck off.
Blue Idaho
(5,048 posts)An apology includes the words "I was wrong" and "it won't happen again."
This is just spin from his new political handlers.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I guess Little Ricky Santorum needed some man-on-dog rivalry.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but I don't want to cause anybody any pain."
"Shut up and take it" rather undercuts the notion that he's apologizing.