Man opens fire in two daycares; kills self, children safe

[Robb]

Last edited Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:28 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: QMI

GATINEAU, Que. — A man is reported dead and a woman believed shot after a gunman fired inside two home daycares Friday morning in Gatineau, Que., on the other side of the river from Ottawa.

Police escorted frightened children from both daycares at 225 and 229 Gamelin St., near the Hull hospital.

No children or staff at the Racines de vie Montessori school were injured, say police.

Police say there were 53 children, all under the age of 5, at the daycares at the time.



Read more: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2013/04/05/20714341.html

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On edit: New story in USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/05/quebec-day-care-shooting/2057221/

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. Dear Lord.

I think I'd have a heart attack if I knew one of my kid's was there.

[Tx4obama]

2. Thank goodness the children were not harmed.

I remember after Newtown someone saying that in the future that a nursery/daycare probably be the next location we'd hear about,
well there it is.

Sounds like the gunman was probably targeting the woman and not the kids.

[etherealtruth]

27. ... at least not physically

[Yo_Mama]

43. Uggh

A horrible prophecy to be fulfilled....

[Archae]

3. This never would have happened in Canada, where they have gun...control...

Err...never mind...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Don't nix gun control just because it isn't perfect. nt

[Archae]

6. I'm not. The point is gun control is not the cure-all I keep hearing of.

[Robb]

7. No? How many kids were killed?

[AtheistCrusader]

9. So far as we know, none.

Not sure how that matters, given the opportunity was there, and it sounds like the shooter just didn't have kids on the menu.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. I'm thrilled that no children were apparently shot.

And I don't have any idea what kind of weapon was used. You seem to want to make a big deal out of that, not sure why.

For all we know, he had one. (Or one of the shooters, now sounds like two)

Not really sure what you are playing at here.

Edit: I see it is reported as a shotgun now. Doesn't really explain why no one else was hurt, unless you assume that his intention was to attack a specific person, and not to attack the children. Which gets back to my point earlier about intent. If he had wanted to, an individual with a shotgun can do tremendous damage in that environment, if they wanted to. So maybe dial the snark back a notch, eh?

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Depends on what dimension of power you are looking at.

Loaded with 00Buck, a shotgun is putting out the equivalent of 9 rounds of 9mm, like what Loughner used on Gabby Giffords, per shot.

So hopefully you realize the potential for mass mayhem is still there. It is clear from the results that this shooter's intent was quite different than say, Lanza. To the potential victim's benefit, thankfully.

I'm very happy for Canada, and I am perfectly fine with implementing some of their control mechanisms here, including registration.

[drm604]

15. Where do you keep hearing that it's a cure-all?

I haven't noticed anyone saying or implying that. Do you have some examples?

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Yawn.

Neither do Americans.

High cyclic rate weapons that fire fully automatic (No legal ones post-1986 and not legal in all states) can at best fire about 1 round in a tenth of a second.

But hey, don't let hyperbole get away from a good snark eh?

[AtheistCrusader]

30. Sorry, physics is not for everyone.

[AtheistCrusader]

32. Why?

I pass background checks all the time.

[LanternWaste]

24. You can of course point us towards a post which specifically implies

You can of course point us towards a post which specifically implies stricter gun control will result in absolutely no deaths, yes?

[rurallib]

26. maybe not a cure all but maybe a cure some

which is a great start.

[Martin Eden]

37. Who is saying gun control is a "cure-all"???

I know many people who believe a comprehensive system of background checks and other measures being considered will, in the long run, reduce the number of senseless deaths from gun violence. But as far as I know, nobody thinks any such legislation would be a "cure-all" that immediately ends gun violence or completely addresses the societal ills that are also a factor.

[LanternWaste]

47. Who specifically told you gun control would prevent any and all gun-related deaths?

Who specifically told you gun control would prevent any and all gun-related deaths?

Or (much more likely) simply reductio ad absurdum in place of an actual premise?

[AtheistCrusader]

8. Sure, and that is true.

But I have heard that sort of sentiment honestly used by certain parties, and it doesn't help if we don't set expectations properly.

This is just part of it. We have a violence problem in the US compared to our G20 peers even if you completely deduct the gun related murders, and go with everything else.

So we have a lot to fix, and nothing is a panacea by itself.

[baldguy]

13. .

http://thecentristword.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-simple-chart-disproves-the-entire-nra-argument-on-gun-violence/

But, then you knew that. Didn't you?

[Pterodactyl]

46. Very funny!

[DollarBillHines]

5. Now they are saying there are two dead guys.

And one of them worked at the school(s).

[valerief]

10. If only he had more guns, everything would have been all right.

Gungeoneer -ass logic

[shenmue]

11. Oh no

[Mnemosyne]

12. "It's not like we are in the U.S. here, but we are told that everything is under control." Our

reputation precedes us.

How horrifying, the incident and the comment.

[Robb]

17. USA Today is reporting two men as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/05/quebec-day-care-shooting/2057221/

[Robb]

20. Shotgun, per ABC.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/person-dead-quebec-day-care-children-safe-18889191#.UV8mzLtXrMw

[Tx4obama]

23. Here's a AP link too

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CN_CANADA_DAY_CARE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[obama2terms]

25. Phew

Thank goodness the kids are o.k.!!!!

[leveymg]

28. Arm the toddlers. Harden the nurseries. More and bigger guns are always the answer.

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[formercia]

33. The problem is not Guns

The problem is Assh0les.

[leveymg]

34. Assholes without guns are just assholes. QED. EOM.

[CobblePuller]

36. Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

[leveymg]

40. Exception that proves the rule - 2/3 of homicides in American are gun murders

In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.[7]

Really.

[CobblePuller]

41. "exception that proves the rule" is an oxymoron.

And if you think a simple substitution effect won't take place, I believe you are not think it through.

[raccoon]

42. "The exception [that] proves the rule" is a frequently misused English phrase.

Exception that proves the rule
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"The exception [that] proves the rule" is a frequently misused English phrase. The original meaning of this phrase is that the presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes ("proves&quot that a general rule exists. For example, a sign that says "parking prohibited on Sundays" (the exception) "proves" that parking is allowed on the other six days of the week (the rule).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule

[leveymg]

44. The more frequent contemporary usage is acceptable - an exception doesn't disprove the norm.

Have guns become the futile last resort to police error in rhetoric and semantics on DU?

[raccoon]

45. If you found an exception to the law of gravity, would that prove the law of gravity? nt

[Tx4obama]

35. Kick n/t

[Posteritatis]

38. The posts in this thread are downright Pavlovian. (nt)

[Sunlei]

39. sounds like murder, suicide? over personal problems.

Those 2 houses were full of tots, lucky no kids were killed. That trauma will be something the kids will never forget.