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alp227

(32,005 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:35 AM Apr 2013

Obama ripped for Kamala Harris remark

Source: SF Chronicle

Instead of leaving the Bay Area Thursday after what would have normally been a quiet two-day fundraising trip, President Obama faced some criticism for calling California's Kamala Harris "the best-looking attorney general in the country."

Obama's comments came at the second of two fundraisers in Atherton Thursday and began with praise for Harris' performance as attorney general.

"You have to be careful to, first of all, say she is brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake," Obama said. "She also happens to be by far the best-looking attorney general in the country."

Reacting to news reports of the event, some critics labeled the remarks insulting. "Obama in need of gender-sensitivity training," read one blog from New York Magazine.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Obama-ripped-for-Kamala-Harris-remark-4410791.php



I thought complimenting each other's looks was high school level stuff not belonging to a professional grown-up setting.
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Obama ripped for Kamala Harris remark (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2013 OP
I thought it was a pretty lame remark by the president. Webster Green Apr 2013 #1
At least he led off with the important stuff Warpy Apr 2013 #43
What a stupid non-controversy. 6000eliot Apr 2013 #2
What in the hell is wrong with this country. Who in the hell comes up with this shit. This is NOT still_one Apr 2013 #18
No shit. n/t bitchkitty Apr 2013 #48
Agreed GitRDun Apr 2013 #74
Are you kidding? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #78
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #81
What nonsense. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #3
Indeed..nt and-justice-for-all Apr 2013 #119
"I thought complimenting each other's looks ... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #4
I graduated from hs 4 years ago, alp227 Apr 2013 #44
Good for you. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #82
We have tons of wars, starving children, homelessness, etc., etc., ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #104
I totally agree Summer. FlaGranny Apr 2013 #57
+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2013 #67
In the late 80's and the early 90's... Jim.Rob58 Apr 2013 #72
Wouldn't be surprised if his numbers go up in the male population. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #5
lol Cha Apr 2013 #24
Why? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #83
guy stuff. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #108
Ok. Gender bashing 101. Got it. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #116
Way to miss the point. And the joke! SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #117
Unless I'm commenting on someone's children, I keep all opinions on looks and beauty to myself. . . Journeyman Apr 2013 #6
And his supporters will make cartach Apr 2013 #12
What a non-controversy! Such a desperate attempt at fault-finding! MADem Apr 2013 #7
If you are going to throw around words like Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #9
I guess I just don't know how to be a professional grown up! MADem Apr 2013 #13
Actually ... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #17
Oh, I'll bet there is!!! No good deeds go unpunished~! nt MADem Apr 2013 #31
I've been an amateur grownup from time to time... TygrBright Apr 2013 #47
Nothing wrong with being an overgrown kid--life is short, we should have fun and joy in it. MADem Apr 2013 #50
Is proffesional grown up cartach Apr 2013 #16
You're being rather obvious Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #20
The poster isn't seriously chastising me. MADem Apr 2013 #34
MADem mimi85 Apr 2013 #23
You just might Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #25
Professional grown-up setting? Rincewind Apr 2013 #28
I didn't think Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #32
I rather think some poor folks are getting accustomed to people who MADem Apr 2013 #36
Agreed. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #40
That would be like taking cement to Portland nt Xipe Totec Apr 2013 #58
LOL n/t bitchkitty Apr 2013 #51
Really? Cedric the Clam Apr 2013 #61
It's funny you chose Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #103
You got me Cedric the Clam Apr 2013 #105
Looks like I 'got' a lot of people Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #107
honestly demosocialist Apr 2013 #115
I think Eric Holder should be fast tracked to the US Supreme Court graham4anything Apr 2013 #14
This +1,000 Macoy51 Apr 2013 #56
Faux outrage. Situation normal. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #84
Yet another example of fake outrage in the echo chamber. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #8
Funny how the RW had no problem picking Dan Quayle as VP because they thought he'd MADem Apr 2013 #19
And I'm sure mimi85 Apr 2013 #33
If you have to stand in the corner, I'm already there--I'll save you a good spot! nt MADem Apr 2013 #37
He must have lost that charm by dissing Murphy Brown! N/t alp227 Apr 2013 #45
To say nothing of that "You spell potatoe, and everyone else spells potato...let's call the whole MADem Apr 2013 #46
One of the reporters at the press gaggle when he was intoduced called him an idiot.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #75
I know, how DARE she be a single mom and refuse to let a man rule over her. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #76
At the time they claimed Quayle looked like Robert Redford.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #77
I remember women howling with laughter and recoiling in revulsion when the MADem Apr 2013 #85
They prolly picked him after seeing him naked at the Bohemian Grove. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #94
Errr... I challenge anhyone to find a better looking AG. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #86
he mentioned her accomplishments first Skittles Apr 2013 #10
President Obama should nominate Kamila Harris for the US Supreme Court & a Noble Prize graham4anything Apr 2013 #11
Physical appearance is a part of politics aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #15
We haven't done much short, bald or fat since the media age took off. MADem Apr 2013 #29
While I don't doubt that Ashley Judd is an intelligent woman aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #39
Yep--the only people who can get away with not looking good are people who are so MADem Apr 2013 #42
So what were they thinking when they elected McConnell. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #120
Well, Reagan had wrinkles, Nixon the grumpy face, alp227 Apr 2013 #49
Reagan was regarded as "Oooooooh, sooooo handsome!" by ladies of a certain age MADem Apr 2013 #73
total silence from the feminists I see nt msongs Apr 2013 #21
Wrong. nt mimi85 Apr 2013 #35
I'm a feminist, and this is a non-issue. roody Apr 2013 #87
if only it were true... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #88
Anyone offended by this is messed up in the head. READ THE ENTIRE QUOTE still_one Apr 2013 #22
This is getting ridiculous. dkf Apr 2013 #26
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #89
I think she is really cool and a great asset for our state nolabels Apr 2013 #27
it was a joke at a fundraiser , he says the same thing about guys like that british soccer player JI7 Apr 2013 #30
No one asked her what she thought about it TomClash Apr 2013 #38
Anyone that sensitive The Wizard Apr 2013 #41
According to US Governemnt Sexual Harressment Training that is required for ALL UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #52
Obama isn't her Boss , she was elected by the voters in California JI7 Apr 2013 #55
Sniff, sniff leftynyc Apr 2013 #60
+1 nt MADem Apr 2013 #65
Looking for sarcasm icon. roody Apr 2013 #90
When complimenting someone's looks causes a controversy, you know this country's mental health... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #53
If Obama says the sky is blue, some people will accuse him of neglecting the fluffy white clouds. MADem Apr 2013 #68
I have an 11-year old Granddaughter DrDan Apr 2013 #54
meh. Girls that age are masses of insecurity and totally into drama, but not politics. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #91
I do that as much as possible (pump up her self-esteem) DrDan Apr 2013 #102
What a HORRIBLE thing to do. This is like Obama's version of lying us into an illegal war. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #59
That's right. Think how many innocent people will die. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #92
Is it just me PaddyIrishman Apr 2013 #62
Or the best informed Fox News viewer. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #93
Why do "you have to be careful to, first of all, say she is brilliant forestpath Apr 2013 #63
In France it would be expected One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #64
You mean like how they called the Romney-Ryan ticket "handsome" and "manly" and MADem Apr 2013 #71
I imagine how I'd feel if it was directed toward the other gender Blandocyte Apr 2013 #66
Oh for god's sake. Arkana Apr 2013 #69
Does she have a nice ass? I like nice asses. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #80
Heaven forbid journalists ever do any REAL reporting. What nonsense! 66 dmhlt Apr 2013 #70
"high school level stuff". Oh the irony of making that comment at DU! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #79
Yep. And, just the other day... GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #99
As long as the M$M keeps us focused on the important stuff, and not the trivial details.... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #95
It was an asshole comment. Obama should know better. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #96
That's a first for me, even at DU. Calling the President an asshole. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #97
Called the comment an asshole, not the president. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #98
It's a fine line to hide behind, but carry on. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #100
And why is this latest breaking news? still_one Apr 2013 #101
I don't consider it offensive when he complimented her WORK first. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #106
it was a stupid remark and if romney had made it DU would be jumping up his ass.. frylock Apr 2013 #109
or bush noiretextatique Apr 2013 #110
had Bush said that, the media would have given him a pass. olddad56 Apr 2013 #112
exactly...and being the clueless, classless jerk that he is noiretextatique Apr 2013 #113
Nothing wrong with a compliment. bamacrat Apr 2013 #111
Calling a person "the best looking" is not just a compliment. Superlative has negative connotation. slackmaster Apr 2013 #114
Who cares...more pressing issues at hand. nt and-justice-for-all Apr 2013 #118

Webster Green

(13,905 posts)
1. I thought it was a pretty lame remark by the president.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:39 AM
Apr 2013

She is a hottie though.

I can say that because I'm not the president making a speech.

Warpy

(111,135 posts)
43. At least he led off with the important stuff
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:30 AM
Apr 2013

unlike the blow dried bobbleheads on TV for whom a woman's only value is how well she looks on camera.

Yes, it would have been nicer had he limited his remarks to the important stuff. However, I'm not quite ready to get the nails yet.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
18. What in the hell is wrong with this country. Who in the hell comes up with this shit. This is NOT
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:28 AM
Apr 2013

a sexist comment. A sexist comment is what spews out of right wing raido, and republican politicians. This is just insane

So if someone tells someone they look nice or pretty and smart to boot, that is just what it is. It isn't a hit, or a pass, it is a compliment, and anyone who is so screwed up to think that the President was trying to do anything more than that needs their head examined

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
74. Agreed
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Apr 2013

We've gone way over the top on judging these kinds of comments. Reminds me of the Brent Musberger / Miss Alabama non-controversy. I think George Clooney is the handsomest guy in Hollywood! Shoot me for that!

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
78. Are you kidding?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:08 AM
Apr 2013

Look around GD....this is the type of shit DU loves to hand-wring over. It's why Repukes laugh at us. It's why the GOP is walking dead, yet will somehow manage to retain the House next year.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
4. "I thought complimenting each other's looks ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:49 AM
Apr 2013
... was high school level stuff."

That sounds like the comment of someone who graduated high school three weeks ago.

Believe it not, there is a place where people compliment someone's looks, and no offence is meant, and no offence is taken. In fact, many people engage in this kind of interaction on a daily basis. And a lot of people actually enjoy it.

That place is called the real world, and most of us actually live there - right smack in the middle of "professional grown-up settings".

alp227

(32,005 posts)
44. I graduated from hs 4 years ago,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:37 AM
Apr 2013

and I never comment about others' looks, and I don't expect any compliments about my genetic lottery drawing either.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
104. We have tons of wars, starving children, homelessness, etc., etc.,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:18 PM
Apr 2013

and you think this world is well adjusted? I think this place is a mad house.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
57. I totally agree Summer.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:39 AM
Apr 2013

Complimenting someone somehow has become bad? Geez, I do it all the time. A lady comes into my office with a particularly nice outfit, I tell her how great she looks in it. A gentleman came into my office the other day and was wearing a shirt that was a beautiful shade of blue that matched his eyes and I told him so. I guess I need to make a note never to insult anyone by complimenting their appearance again (not).

 

Jim.Rob58

(25 posts)
72. In the late 80's and the early 90's...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

when feminism was making real headway, many companies began to implement policy guidelines that instructed what types of communication was NOT acceptable in the office environment. These new policies were in response to feminism and offered tough disciplinary action on those who violated the newly policies. Those who pushed such policies are still 'beating the drum' and as a result, mere honest comments meant to be complimentary are judged as sexist or misogynist.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,082 posts)
117. Way to miss the point. And the joke!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:58 PM
Apr 2013

It's not gender bashing when an apology is required for having complimented a woman's appearance. It's insane! I've had posts deleted because I hinted at humor via a "beard" being seen as an analogy for "one that hides one's sexual orientation". Lets see if this gets deleted too. God forbid we discuss the issues that are closest to our human experience.

Journeyman

(15,024 posts)
6. Unless I'm commenting on someone's children, I keep all opinions on looks and beauty to myself. . .
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:56 AM
Apr 2013

I can only think of one time in the last few decades that I made anything like such a comment. In an initial telephone conversion with a new person at one of my long-term clients, I blurted out that I thought her name was beautiful. I'd never heard it before, and the comment was sincere. I apologized immediately, owned that it was not professional, then explained how I'd never heard the name before and found it very pleasant. She thought no apology necessary, but my sense of propriety required it.

I'm sure the President's enemies will make a "Lewinsky moment" of it. I suspect it was one of those thoughts President Obama wishes now he'd kept to himself. If the Attorney General found no offense in it, I can't see why I should.

cartach

(511 posts)
12. And his supporters will make
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:22 AM
Apr 2013

a 'Jimmy Carter' moment of it and appreciate his honesty. Anyone who thinks it was a sexist insult better go out and buy burkas for the womenfolk in their family and blinders for the men. That old time religion will be around for quite a while I guess.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. What a non-controversy! Such a desperate attempt at fault-finding!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:02 AM
Apr 2013

Next thing you know, the soap opera writers at the newspapers will be suggesting that Eric Holder is pouting in the corner because Obama never called him "cute."


I think Obama is a fine looking man who wears clothes well, and his wife is a beautiful woman with style and grace.

Have I "insulted" them with those comments?

Please.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
9. If you are going to throw around words like
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:19 AM
Apr 2013

"fine looking man", "wears clothes well", "beautiful woman", AND the always reprehensible "style and grace" epithet, maybe you'd be more comfortable posting at one of those joy-boy, sexist type websites where people complimenting each other is NOT seen for the trauma-inducing behavior it actually is.

DU is trying to maintain its position as a professional grown-up setting.

Please keep that in mind before posting your next string of niceties, and appreciate that some make take offence at reading them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. I guess I just don't know how to be a professional grown up!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:22 AM
Apr 2013

The nerve of me, taking all those childhood etiquette lessons so seriously!

Is there a "rehab" for that, I wonder....?

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
17. Actually ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:27 AM
Apr 2013

There IS a place where you can get a lot of information about how complimenting a woman's appearance is a way of demeaning and belittling her.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
47. I've been an amateur grownup from time to time...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:43 AM
Apr 2013

... but it's a strain. I'll stick to being an overgrown kid, thanks.

An overgrown kid who, if pressed, would have to admit I'd do EITHER or BOTH of the Obamas in a NY minute. In a fantasy world, of course.

But then, I get turned on by intelligence, compassion, humor, a clear capacity for affection, AND good looks.

I'm terribly immature.

amusedly,
Bright

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. Nothing wrong with being an overgrown kid--life is short, we should have fun and joy in it.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:47 AM
Apr 2013

And we shouldn't be afraid to pay someone a sincere compliment, either!

I've been a kid, and I've been an adult...and the kid thing is much more fun!

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
23. MADem
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:36 AM
Apr 2013

was just telling the truth. Guess we should never say anything "nice" about anyone around here. Sheesh. What nonsense! I'm sure Michelle will be filing for divorce in the morning. PBO IS a nice-looking man, no two ways around it. His whole family is attractive. Bo is even adorable. I'm sure someone will report me - better read the TOS and see if compliments are verboten.

Rincewind

(1,201 posts)
28. Professional grown-up setting?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:43 AM
Apr 2013

You talking about the DU we all know and love? I'm almost 59 years old, so, I'm as grown up as I'll ever get. I'm retired, so my profession is doing whatever i want. Out in the real world, people sometimes complement each other on their appearance, if that offends you, tough. Just about everyone on DU is legally an adult, we don't need you to tell us how to behave. If you find this post in any way offensive, good.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
32. I didn't think
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:47 AM
Apr 2013

the thingy was at all necessary in my reply. Apparently I was wrong.

My reply was directed at MADem, who (I knew) would 'get it' - it didn't occur to me that other posters might not.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
36. I rather think some poor folks are getting accustomed to people who
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:51 AM
Apr 2013

are professional pout-posters--perpetually poutraged about everything and anything...and you got caught up in the mix!

There's just so damn much of this "How DARE you!!!" stuff happening lately that it's getting hard to find a little fun!

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
40. Agreed.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:59 AM
Apr 2013

A traveling, post-to-post 'poutrage' salesman would do very well here these days - so many anxious customers, clamoring for his wares.

 

Cedric the Clam

(35 posts)
61. Really?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:41 AM
Apr 2013

The "always reprehensible style and grace epithet" ?

There is a point at which one can take political correctness to an extreme.

I guess we all have to start wearing burlap sack, and definitely no more makeup or cologne.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
103. It's funny you chose
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

to focus on the phrase "always reprehensible style and grace epithet", being as that was the phrase I was sure would make it obvious that I was being satirical/sarcastic.

I keep forgetting there are people here who actually DO think that saying a woman has 'style and grace' is an insult.

Guess I'll have to whip out the ol' thingy every time from now on.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
107. Looks like I 'got' a lot of people
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

although that wasn't the intent.

I honestly believed that my post was so over-the-top, no one would take it seriously.

But as I said, I keep forgetting that there are actually people here who post that kind of thing regularly - and they seriously mean it!





 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
14. I think Eric Holder should be fast tracked to the US Supreme Court
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:23 AM
Apr 2013

and then Ms. Harris fast tracked to be AG prior to her being nominated for the Court
after Mr. Holder either by President Obama or President Clinton.

 

Macoy51

(239 posts)
56. This +1,000
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:36 AM
Apr 2013

We are facing a ton of major issues right now. This is not one of them. Why any one whould waste time with this is beyond me......unless they are just looking for a fault. And if that is the case, Obama must be doing pretty good if this is the best they can do.


Macoy

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
8. Yet another example of fake outrage in the echo chamber.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:11 AM
Apr 2013

BTW:



THIS is why the Right Wing Media is upset.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Funny how the RW had no problem picking Dan Quayle as VP because they thought he'd
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:31 AM
Apr 2013

"appeal to the ladies" though!

And where were the cries of sexism, accompanied by pouts of outrage, when article after article touted how "handsome" the rMoney/Lyin-Ryan ticket was?

They need to stop waving that "Waaaah!! Waaaaah!" stick around--someone could get hurt!



mimi85

(1,805 posts)
33. And I'm sure
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:48 AM
Apr 2013

Sister Sarah's looks had nothing to do with her being picked to run with McCain. MADem, I think you've got a great sense of humor, do I have to go stand in the corner now?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. To say nothing of that "You spell potatoe, and everyone else spells potato...let's call the whole
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:41 AM
Apr 2013

thing off!" debacle!

The poor little jerk just OOZED "stupid."

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
75. One of the reporters at the press gaggle when he was intoduced called him an idiot....
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

Quayle ordered him to be arrested thus proving it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
77. At the time they claimed Quayle looked like Robert Redford....
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:06 AM
Apr 2013

But then, they said the same thing about Dick Gephardt.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
85. I remember women howling with laughter and recoiling in revulsion when the
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

"campaign strategy" that Quayle was picked for his looks was revealed. "Funny" and "gross" at the same time!

Of course, I think that when men try to insist upon what women like or want, any more than when women try to insist upon what men might like or want, there are going to be mixed signals. Quayle was a doozie of a mixed signal--unappealing, and DUMB too! A real two-fer of a duf-er!

I'm guessing the GOP never thought to test that idiots "Q" rating with....actual women!

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
10. he mentioned her accomplishments first
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:21 AM
Apr 2013

which makes the looks remark more a joking kind of thing.......I don't read that much into it

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
11. President Obama should nominate Kamila Harris for the US Supreme Court & a Noble Prize
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:21 AM
Apr 2013

It is the fact that the same people who always put down President Obama are finding new issue, when in fact the reason the rightwing hates Ms. Harris is for her stand on Gay marriage.

Ms. Harris is certianly worthy for the Noble Peace Prize,
and hopefully the new attention will enable a future SCOTUS position or possibly a run at some point for Governor of California after Jerry Brown finishes another 4 years after his current 4 years.

Remember, Jerry Brown also was AG prior to his second stint as Governor.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
15. Physical appearance is a part of politics
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:26 AM
Apr 2013

Maybe it would have been better to avoid any commentary on her looks, but she’s been identified with being a beautiful woman ever since she’s been running for office and I'm sure her consultants make certain that she looks her best when she's in front of the camera and that her campaign materials include photos showing her at her attractive best. Unfortunately, politics has a visual dimension we can’t ignore, just like being a professional actor. How many short Presidents have we had? Fat Presidents? Bald Presidents? It’s not like she’s a Nobel Prize winning research scientist where looks have no impact on her professional life at all. I’m sure she knows it. And Obama did after all primarily compliment her professionalism. I don’t see this as the height of evil sexism although it probably would have been better left unsaid.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. We haven't done much short, bald or fat since the media age took off.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:44 AM
Apr 2013

Madison was pretty short, Adams was baldish, and Taft was fat (but fat men = prosperity back in the day).

Since the media age, we've had bald Ike (but he was a war hero, so that made it OK) and "fat" Clinton (but he was a good old boy with charm, who jogged to McDonald's, so that made it OK)...and I guess we'll have to wait for President Hillary R. Clinton to punch the "short" card in the media age of the Presidency!

Amazing how no one complained at all the "swooning" over rMoney and Ryan...or Dan Quayle. In fact, there were countless articles that focused on their handsome 'manliness'--to the point of absurdity, too, since they all looked rather cretinous--like Ken dolls and Eddie Munster, really. And what about the Palin drooling? Why was that "OK" and a demure reference to the fact that a smart woman is also attractive becomes the crime of the century?

Obama pointed out the obvious, but he could say the sky was blue and people would argue with his "take" on that, too. It's an obvious agenda working here--no matter what Obama says, take issue. Early and often.

It's getting lame and tiresome, to my POV.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
39. While I don't doubt that Ashley Judd is an intelligent woman
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:57 AM
Apr 2013

who would have made a fine candidate for the Senate, I think there's no doubt that she would have also been taking advantage not only of her celebrity but of her beauty as well (particularly when contrasted with her would be opponent, the man who looks like a turtle). Although there might have been some that I missed, I don't recall seeing too many posts by people at DU objecting to the fact that she would have used her movie star good looks to her advantage to get rid of McConnell. I wish we didn't live in a world where people might make important decisions like who to vote for based on physical appearance. But unfortunately we do.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Yep--the only people who can get away with not looking good are people who are so
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:11 AM
Apr 2013

ingrained into the national fabric that their faces become familiar, and with familiarity comes attractiveness.

If you're a newcomer on the scene, you need to have a good bit of patter, command of the facts married to a superb personality, maybe a quirk that endears.... or good looks. If you have all of the above, you're sailing smoothly!

The looks will get you in the door and aim the cameras at you, certainly--if you're an empty headed buffoon, though, those looks can hurt more than help in the long run (Quayle, Palin, e.g.).

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
120. So what were they thinking when they elected McConnell.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013

I think it is very cruel when people comment about a person's looks in a negative way, but he is such an obnoxious person, I find myself forced into the gutter to find words that would express the right amount hatred I have toward him.

alp227

(32,005 posts)
49. Well, Reagan had wrinkles, Nixon the grumpy face,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:47 AM
Apr 2013

Ford had a receding hairline, and Bush 41 had the big glasses.

Nixon's unappealing looks compared to John F Kennedy contributed to preference for Kennedy after their 1960 debate that was also the first ever televised debate.

And remember when Romney actually SPRAY TANNED himself for that Latino town hall event?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. Reagan was regarded as "Oooooooh, sooooo handsome!" by ladies of a certain age
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:00 AM
Apr 2013

(and men, too) who remembered him from his work in "King's Row" and "Death Valley Days." They didn't see the wrinkles. They liked his looks and his actor's charm.

George H. W. Bush was regarded as "boyishly handsome." Plenty of people saw his spouse as "grandmotherly" (at a minimum--some wanting to be cruel said she looked like George Washington) but not him. He was the "youthful counterpoint" to Reagan as his VP.

Ford was appointed, he was pretty much "balding," and he lost to Jimmy Carter, another guy who was regarded as a bit goofy looking, but "boyish," and with a "good head of hair." Not enough people had an image of Ford as the young blonde football player (and he was a handsome man in his youth, and retained an athleticism about himself in middle age) , because he was a regional politician who was shoved into the national spotlight, his story wasn't as "well told" as others and he had the stink of Nixon about him.

Kennedy was regarded as HANDSOME. He prepped for that debate by working on his tan and making sure his suit was tailored and sharp-pressed. It is said--and the point is valid--that those watching TV called the debate for Kennedy early on, but those listening on the radio thought Nixon did a better job.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
22. Anyone offended by this is messed up in the head. READ THE ENTIRE QUOTE
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:36 AM
Apr 2013

"You have to be careful to, first of all, say she is brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake," Obama said. "She also happens to be by far the best-looking attorney general in the country."

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
27. I think she is really cool and a great asset for our state
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:43 AM
Apr 2013

She has helped a lot here and a lot of things would not be the way they are without her.

I never really saw a picture of her till this story though, but now that he mentions it, she really is kind of ............

Women spend billions of dollars in this country trying to look attractive so what is so wrong in trying to complement them on their endeavors?

JI7

(89,239 posts)
30. it was a joke at a fundraiser , he says the same thing about guys like that british soccer player
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:46 AM
Apr 2013

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
38. No one asked her what she thought about it
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:55 AM
Apr 2013

I doubt she thought Obama was "in need of gender-sensitivity training."





The Wizard

(12,534 posts)
41. Anyone that sensitive
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:07 AM
Apr 2013

about one person's compliments on another person's looks needs one of the wonderful Fleet products available at a drug store or super market. Most of us haven't got time for the feigned outrage.

 

UBEEDelusional

(54 posts)
52. According to US Governemnt Sexual Harressment Training that is required for ALL
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:54 AM
Apr 2013

civil servants and contractors who work at Gov facilities. The Pres sexually harassed Ms Harris. He owes her and millions of other working women an apology.

Unless he subscribes to the Nixon Presidential Philosophy that if the President does it, it is A-OK.

I would also be interested in hearing what he will do or say when one of his daughter's bosses makes comments about their looks when they are in the real world working.

He needs to apologize ASAP.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
60. Sniff, sniff
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:33 AM
Apr 2013

Another trolll trolling badly. When you can't even get the facts right, you've lost. Pres Obama is not her boss, she hasn't asked for an apology and anyone who is making a big deal about this needs an enema.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
53. When complimenting someone's looks causes a controversy, you know this country's mental health...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:56 AM
Apr 2013

Collectively sucks ass.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. If Obama says the sky is blue, some people will accuse him of neglecting the fluffy white clouds.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:29 AM
Apr 2013

It's not "this country's mental health" it's the mental health of the rabid wingnuts who still, to this day, cannot understand how the "handsome and charming" team of rMoney and Eddie Munster didn't swirl to victory on a tide of oohing and ahhing citizens who voted for him because the women thought they were gorgeous and the men thought they were manly and worthy of imitation. They were just So Damned Sure that this would be the outcome, and they still can't believe they lost.

They lash out because they haven't "gotten over it." They likely never will. I hope Hillary gives them something to REALLY cry about in 2016!

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
54. I have an 11-year old Granddaughter
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:33 AM
Apr 2013

I live close and spend a good deal of time with her. She has just entered middle-school and I am seeing how much appearance is affecting her life in trying to "fit in". She loves Obama, but this comment will only solidify her sensitivity.

Comments like this do NOTHING but further perpetuate and accentuate our obsession with appearance.

Compliment her for her accomplishments - but make NO comments relative to her appearance.

The obvious question - how would you feel if this comment had come from a bush?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
91. meh. Girls that age are masses of insecurity and totally into drama, but not politics.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:18 AM
Apr 2013

Unless you wave Obama's comment in her face, she will be oblivious.

I suggest you use your energy to find a way to pump up her self esteem.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
102. I do that as much as possible (pump up her self-esteem)
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

I still consider it a careless statement - I wish he would not have said it and believe he feels similarly right now

It is reinforcement from the President as to the inflated "importance" of appearance in our culture.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
59. What a HORRIBLE thing to do. This is like Obama's version of lying us into an illegal war.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:24 AM
Apr 2013

SHAME on him. How DARE he.

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
63. Why do "you have to be careful to, first of all, say she is brilliant
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:18 AM
Apr 2013

and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake" first of all?

Why is that "being careful"?

"Careful" about what?

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
64. In France it would be expected
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:32 AM
Apr 2013

In my corner of the US. If it's not normally said about both genders than it doesn't belong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. You mean like how they called the Romney-Ryan ticket "handsome" and "manly" and
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:44 AM
Apr 2013

"much better looking" than Obama-Biden?

Like that?

It's only in the country of the blind--and in a few frothing corners of DU--that people pretend that human beings do not notice or comment upon the appearance of others. While people who are "nice" don't say things like "Geez, what an UG-LEEE so-and-so....that mug could gag a maggot on a gut truck!!!" the positive comments about how a public figure looks--anything from "He/she has a kind face" to "He/she is handsome/beautiful/good-looking" DO happen across gender lines. They certainly did in the last two national elections (Obama beat McCain in the "looks" department, but Palin beat Biden, according to many--at least until she opened her mouth).

People are drawn to "good looking" people. It's how humans are wired. We're capable of overcoming our bias towards good looks, but if we weren't drawn to good looking people, the beauty/grooming and aesthetics industry would shrivel up and die a horrible death, dentists wouldn't do "cosmetic" dentistry, and you could add the Hair Club for Men workers, the spray tan operators, and body-enhancing plastic surgeons to the unemployment lines.

Trying to look as good as possible is a big business, not just in USA, but all around the world. It's what humans have done since they learned to use tools.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
66. I imagine how I'd feel if it was directed toward the other gender
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:24 AM
Apr 2013

If he'd said the same about a male, I'd feel ok about it, so I feel ok about it directed toward a woman.

Women, though, have had more of a history of struggle to demonstrate that they got where they are due to accomplishments and competence independent of attractiveness, so I understand how this could be a sore spot for those striving for equality in the workplace.

Some acknowledgment of that issue might be a good gesture.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
79. "high school level stuff". Oh the irony of making that comment at DU!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:09 AM
Apr 2013

The home of juvenile behavior.

The only person who could get upset about this is Kamala Harris, and maybe Michelle Obama.

Screw the rest.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
99. Yep. And, just the other day...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:22 PM
Apr 2013

...Michelle was being bashed for swooning over Harrison Ford. Ridiculous. Maybe the Obamas should change their last name to "Bush" so that the media and their bashers can go back to ignoring this kind of thing, instead of forcing their petty, childish bullshit on us like this.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
95. As long as the M$M keeps us focused on the important stuff, and not the trivial details....
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
Apr 2013

....like, oh I don't know, cutting SS and Medicare, we're all good right?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
98. Called the comment an asshole, not the president.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

But I'll run and fetch the smelling salts if you're feeling faint.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
100. It's a fine line to hide behind, but carry on.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:43 PM
Apr 2013

I didn't find it shocking, just callous.

Call the president (or his comments) "asshole" doesn't make you cool or awesome or rebellious. It shows a) a limited vocabulary, b) laziness, and c) bad judgment.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
106. I don't consider it offensive when he complimented her WORK first.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:07 PM
Apr 2013

It's sort of tongue-in-cheek, and not the least problematic for me.

People need to get a fucking grip. Of course, any excuse to attack Obama will do for some "democrats".

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
113. exactly...and being the clueless, classless jerk that he is
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:49 PM
Apr 2013

he wouldn't have even considered apologizing.

bamacrat

(3,867 posts)
111. Nothing wrong with a compliment.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:44 PM
Apr 2013

Again, we should be amorphous blobs to one another. I told my boss who is a woman, that I could tell she has lost weight, and that she looks great. She is trying to lose weight and this was a compliment and a show of support. People are way too fucking sensitive.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
114. Calling a person "the best looking" is not just a compliment. Superlative has negative connotation.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

It says that every other member of that class of people isn't as good looking; there is an implied put-down. What the President said also presents a risk of the perception of sexual innuendo.

A proper compliment in a professional setting is to say that someone is well-dressed or presents well. Even saying that someone looks good is not at all the same as singling out an individual as the best looking of all whatevers.

It's a page from sexual harassment training that many people have received. I can tell a female co-worker that I like her scarf or that her shoes complement her attire, but I can't say "You look good in that dress." There is a line in the sand.

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