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Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:05 PM Apr 2013

Ark. Senate panel rejects Equal Rights Amendment

Source: AP

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - A panel at the Arkansas Senate has rejected a proposal that would have had Arkansas ratify the Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution - more than three decades after the amendment's deadline.

The GOP-controlled State Agencies and Governmental Affairs Committee rejected the proposal Tuesday on a voice vote. The amendment says the equality of rights shall not be denied or abridged because of one's sex.

Arkansas was 1 of 15 states that had not passed the amendment when the deadline passed in 1982, but supporters say they believe it could still be added to the Constitution if more states ratify it.

Similar resolutions failed before legislative panels in 2007 and 2009, after facing opposition from conservative groups.

Read more: http://www.katv.com/story/21852973/ark-senate-panel-looks-at-equal-rights-amendment



There's more in-depth information about the hearing this morning over the Arkansas Times blog.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/04/02/era-on-senate-agenda-today
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Drale

(7,932 posts)
2. Because right wingers need something spelled out for them to understand it
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

even then they only pick and choose what they like

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
5. Lots of reasons...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:21 PM
Apr 2013

•Without the ERA, the Constitution does not explicitly guarantee that the rights it protects are held equally by all citizens without regard to sex. The first — and still the only — right specifically affirmed as equal for women and men is the right to vote.
•The equal protection clause of the Constitution's 14th Amendment was first applied to sex discrimination only in 1971, and it has never been interpreted to grant equal rights on the basis of sex in the uniform and inclusive way that the ERA would.
•The ERA would provide a clearer judicial standard for deciding cases of sex discrimination, since federal and state courts (some working with state ERAs, some without) still reflect confusion and inconsistency in dealing with such claims. It would also clarify sex discrimination jurisprudence and 40 years of precedent for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who claimed in an interview reported in the January 2011 California Lawyer that the Constitution, specifically the 14th Amendment, does not protect against sex discrimination.
•The ERA would provide a strong legal defense against a rollback of the significant advances in women's rights made in the past 50 years. Without it, Congress can weaken or replace existing laws on women's rights, and judicial precedents on issues of gender equality can be eroded or ignored by reactionary courts responding to a conservative political agenda.
•Without the ERA, women regularly and men occasionally have to fight long, expensive, and difficult legal battles in an effort to prove that their rights are equal to those of the other sex.
•The ERA would improve the United States' human rights standing in the world community. The governing documents of many other countries affirm legal gender equality, however imperfect the global implementation of that ideal may be.
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/why.htm

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
4. Whether it helps our side or not, breaking rules to get what you want is never what I can support
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

The language specifically said 1982 was the deadline. It makes us look bad if we try and dance around this. Imagine what we would say if they introduced the Federal Marriage Amendment in 1991, with a 1996 deadline and they needed one more state to ratify. Then today Arkansas ratifies it. We would scream bloody hell and protest everywhere. We must not be hypocrites.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
6. It is not "breaking rules." Congress can and has extended the arbitrary deadline it imposed.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:33 PM
Apr 2013

A 1921 Supreme Court decision (Dillon v. Gloss) recognized that Congress has the power to fix a definite time limit for ratification; it also pointed out that an amendment becomes part of the Constitution once ratified by the final state constituting a three-fourths majority of the states. The Dillon Court said that an amendment should be ratified within a "reasonable" and "sufficiently contemporaneous" time frame "to reflect the will of the people in all sections at relatively the same period," because the amendment process is presumably triggered by a perception of "necessity" with respect to the subject of the amendment.

A 1939 Supreme Court decision (Coleman v. Miller) reaffirmed the power of Congress to fix a reasonable time period for ratification but also determined that Congress has the power to promulgate an amendment after the final state constituting a three-fourths majority ratifies. In Coleman, the Court held that Congress, upon receiving notification of ratification by three-fourths of the states, may determine whether the amendment is valid because it has been ratified in a reasonable period of time, or whether "the amendment has lost its vitality through lapse of time." The Court called the timeliness decision a "political question" and said that Congress is uniquely equipped to make that decision because of its "full knowledge ... of the political, social and economic conditions which have prevailed during the period since the submission of the amendment."

It is important to note that Congressional promulgation is not a necessary feature of Article V. In the history of the amendment process Congress has promulgated only two amendments, the 14th and the 27th, following the final state ratification. In addition, the requirement for ratification within a "sufficiently contemporaneous" time frame and the chronological definition of "contemporaneous" are now open to question in light of the Madison Amendment experience.

The first time limit ever imposed on the ratification period of a constitutional amendment was in the text of the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) in 1917; the seven-year limit was chosen by Congress without extensive discussion about the particular length of time. The 19th Amendment (Woman Suffrage) was sent to the states in 1919 with no time limit, as was a proposed Child Labor Amendment in 1924. Seven-year time limits were placed in the text of the 20th, 21st, and 22nd Amendments, but Congress shifted the seven-year limit out of the text and into the proposing clause of the 23rd, 24th, 25th, and 26th Amendments. The 27th Amendment had no time limit.

Despite arguments by proponents that the Equal Rights Amendment should go to the states without a time limit in the tradition of the 19th Amendment, the ERA passed Congress in 1972 with a seven-year time limit in its proposing clause. If the time limit had been placed in the text of the amendment itself, that restriction would not be subject to alteration by Congress after any state legislature had ratified. However, the ERA language ratified by 35 states between 1972 and 1982 (see above) did not contain a time limit for ratification.

By transferring time limits from the text of an amendment to the proposing clause, Congress retained for itself the authority to review the limit and to amend its own previous legislative action regarding that time limit. In 1978, Congress clearly demonstrated its belief that it may alter a time limit in the proposing clause when it passed an extension of the original seven-year limit for ERA ratification and moved the deadline from March 22, 1979, to June 30, 1982. A challenge to the constitutionality of the extension was dismissed by the Supreme Court as moot after the deadline expired, and no lower-court precedent stands regarding that point.

The Coleman decision asserted that Congress may determine whether the states have ratified in a "reasonable" time or whether the amendment is "no longer responsive to the conception which inspired it." Congress therefore could determine that the time period since the ERA went to the states for ratification in 1972 is "reasonable" and "contemporaneous" (particularly in light of the fact that it deemed the Madison Amendment's 203 years to be so), and it could decide that the ERA remains "responsive to the conception which inspired it" (indisputably so, since the fact that women's equal rights are not constitutionally affirmed will remain unchanged until the Constitution is amended or interpreted to establish unequivocally that women and men have equal rights).

Therefore, under the principles of Dillon and Coleman, and based on the fact that Congress voted to extend the ERA time limit and to accept the 203-year-long ratification period of the Madison Amendment as sufficiently "contemporaneous," it is likely that Congress has the power to legislatively adjust or remove the time limit constraint on the ERA if it chooses, to determine whether or not state ratifications which occur after the expiration of a time limit in a proposing clause are valid, and to promulgate the ERA after the 38th state ratifies.

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/strategy.htm

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
7. Extending deadlines is fine, but only before they expire
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

If back in 1981, Congress had extended the 1982 deadline to 1983, then that would be fine. But the deadline came and went. It would look very bad to extend now.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
10. The time for that is over
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

1982 came and went. If anything, start from scratch again. Let me ask you this. If you think it's ok to extend it after it expired, how to you feel about states that voted to pass it before 1982, but now wanna rescind their votes? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
11. The time for justice is never over.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:33 PM
Apr 2013

The 19th Amendment went out to the states without a deadline. The ERA should have as well. Alas, sexism is alive and well in America.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
12. Should have, but it didn't
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:28 PM
Apr 2013

If you want that one to pass, invent a time machine and remove the language that says 1982. And you didn't answer the question about states that want to rescind. I suppose that's not ok?

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
13. You don't need a time machine, you just need congress to act.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:36 PM
Apr 2013

And I am not sure about the law on ratification rescission. Do you have any links on that?

The ERA fell just three states short of ratification. The 15 states that have not yet ratified the Equal Rights Amendment are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Virginia. I think there is a good chance we can get Florida, Illinois, Nevada and Virginia.

w0menREqu4L

(2 posts)
14. Equal Rights Amendment Answers
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:09 PM
Apr 2013

I want to hear any reasonable argument about why someone would oppose the Equal Rights Amendment. Anything...

With that said, I'm not saying I know the answers. But I want to find the answers and try to convince anyone who opposes it and turn them into advocates for it. US Only. If you are open to discussion, perhaps you are open to change. So... what questions are really out there about this?

Meanwhile, would you try an experiment for me on strictly non-scientific basis. Ask five people of any age over 13 these exact words. "Are men and women equal under the law in the United States? The only acceptable answers are "Yes" "No" or "I don't know"

Report your findings here: Answer, age, gender, state of legal residency.

Thanks very much!

- BEra

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