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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:35 PM Apr 2013

Conn. reaches deal on tough gun laws after Newtown

Last edited Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:14 PM - Edit history (4)

Source: USA Today

Connecticut lawmakers announced a deal Monday on what they called some of the toughest gun laws in the country that were proposed after the December mass shooting in the state, including a ban on new high-capacity ammunition magazines like the one in the massacre that left 20 children and six educators dead.

The proposal also called for background checks for private gun sales and a new registry for existing magazines that carry 10 or more bullets, something of a compromise for parents of Newtown victims who had wanted an outright ban on them, while legislators had proposed grandfathering them into the law.

The package also creates what lawmakers said is the nation's first statewide dangerous weapon offender registry, immediate universal background checks for all firearms sales and expansion of Connecticut's assault weapons ban.

A new state-issued eligibility certificate would be needed to purchase any rifle, shotgun or ammunition under the legislation. To get the certificate, a buyer would need to be fingerprinted, take a firearms training course and undergo a national criminal background check and involuntary commitment or voluntary admission check.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/01/connecticut-gun-laws-deal/2044167/



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While the measure would ban the sale of ammunition magazines able to handle more than 10 bullets, Gov. Dannell Malloy and parents of the Sandy Hook victims objected to a "grandfather clause" that will allow current owners of such magazines to keep them.

But state Rep. Gary Holder-Winfield, a Democrat representing New Haven, told NBC Connecticut that the bill, which could be voted on as early as Wednesday, would still impose some of the nation's toughest gun control laws on Connecticut residents.

Legislators in Connecticut Agree on Broad New Gun Laws
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/nyregion/connecticut-legislators-agree-on-far-reaching-gun-control.html?hp
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It would require new state-issued eligibility certificates for the purchase of any rifle, shotgun or ammunition; mandate that offenders convicted of any of more than 40 weapons offenses register with the state; require universal background checks for the sale of all firearms; and substantially expand the state’s existing ban on assault weapons.

But the package did not include everything that anti-gun forces had asked for. It includes a ban on the future sale of high-capacity magazines with more than 10 bullets. But despite a dramatic plea on Monday from relatives of 11 of the victims killed at Sandy Hook on Dec. 14, legislative leaders did not include a complete ban on their ownership, although they agreed on new requirements requiring their registration. Legislation passed by New York in January included a ban on the ownership of high-capacity magazines.

The legislation in Connecticut, however, agreed to after several weeks of negotiations between Democratic and Republican leaders in the Democratic-controlled General Assembly, was hailed by gun-control proponents as a landmark package and an appropriate response to the tragedy at Sandy Hook.

Ron Pinciaro, executive director of Connecticut Against Gun Violence, said he was disappointed that the ban on possession of high-capacity magazines was not approved and that the bill would have little effect on handgun violence. But, he said, “When you take all the elements and compare it, I think you could judiciously say this is the strongest bill in the nation.”
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Conn. reaches deal on tough gun laws after Newtown (Original Post) cal04 Apr 2013 OP
I don't really see how this would prevent any future shootings. tom2255 Apr 2013 #1
That talking point is *really* getting stale Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #4
As opposed to the talking point sylvi Apr 2013 #7
Forgive me... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #9
Okay sylvi Apr 2013 #14
Uh, that's IT? Just a link to the gungeon? CTyankee Apr 2013 #29
It's all there sylvi Apr 2013 #31
Oh, so you've got *nothing* in other words? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #32
They're posted ad infinitum sylvi Apr 2013 #33
You're typing way too many words just to say YOU have nothing... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #34
I'll keep my ass sylvi Apr 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #36
You can't always get what you want sylvi Apr 2013 #37
LOL "newton" Robb Apr 2013 #5
I caught that too Skittles Apr 2013 #10
Is it just me or there's a swarm happening? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #19
when you shine a light on cockroaches Skittles Apr 2013 #20
Go play with your gun. nt valerief Apr 2013 #11
DUI laws do not prevent all drunken driving deaths lobodons Apr 2013 #17
Good...it's a start. BlueJazz Apr 2013 #2
Agreed. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #6
"take a firearms training course" Bay Boy Apr 2013 #3
What a mess of crap krispos42 Apr 2013 #8
They should also have to... reACTIONary Apr 2013 #18
No one should have to piss in a cup. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #22
Good for them and how dare anyone disparage the memories of those children... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #12
" firearms training course" - more money for the NRA. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #13
Now, add to it manditory liability insurance, and we're getting somewhere. lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #15
That would be the the NRA's wet dream. It would make them millions. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #16
It would make private insurance companies money. Socal31 Apr 2013 #23
The cost would be a pittance - there are so few accidents hack89 Apr 2013 #26
That was completely shot down. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #24
How exactly does one have a registry of plastic boxes with a spring? davepc Apr 2013 #21
It's pretty much unenforceable madville Apr 2013 #25
It was to give the parents something. hack89 Apr 2013 #27
I asked the same thing about Colorado's 15-rd mag limit NickB79 Apr 2013 #38
Message auto-removed tom2255 Apr 2013 #28
OK, what is YOUR plan? CTyankee Apr 2013 #30
 

tom2255

(37 posts)
1. I don't really see how this would prevent any future shootings.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:45 PM
Apr 2013

I don't believe any of these laws would have prevented newton.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. Forgive me...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

Please state your legislative proposals that WOULD prevent another Newtown massacre, if you have any...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
29. Uh, that's IT? Just a link to the gungeon?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:00 AM
Apr 2013

How about being more specific. Your well thought out analysis and clear legislative proposals, based on rigorous research and thorough fact finding. You know, that sort of thing.

We've waited SO long for ANYTHING you have suggested or will suggest now...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
32. Oh, so you've got *nothing* in other words?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:10 AM
Apr 2013

Jesus christ, at least have the initiative to post an actual discussion thread...You can't be THAT intellectually lazy...

 

sylvi

(813 posts)
33. They're posted ad infinitum
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:24 PM
Apr 2013

in Gun Control & RKBA. I'm not going to the trouble of typing them all out here or C&Ping them just so the truly "intellectually lazy" can handwave them away with the standard "NRA Talking Point!™" dismissal, as seen above.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
34. You're typing way too many words just to say YOU have nothing...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

Either start listing some proposals for discussion, or keep your ass in the gun forum when grown folks are talking...

 

sylvi

(813 posts)
35. I'll keep my ass
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:32 PM
Apr 2013

anywhere I like, but thanks for the advice. I can understand you not taking yours there, though, to avoid having it handed to you.

"Grown folks"

Response to sylvi (Reply #35)

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
8. What a mess of crap
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:01 PM
Apr 2013

Yay, so gun owners get to be fingerprinted like common criminals.


I can't wait for the Republicans to try this guy voter registration.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
12. Good for them and how dare anyone disparage the memories of those children...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:21 PM
Apr 2013

With snide remarks about the sensible laws that resulted from their deaths.

You truly are filth.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
15. Now, add to it manditory liability insurance, and we're getting somewhere.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:57 PM
Apr 2013

You should be putting up the costs of those you might hurt ahead of time, if you need to play with guns so badly.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
23. It would make private insurance companies money.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:19 AM
Apr 2013

However, how expensive do you think gun liability insurance would be? The amount of accidents spread out over a risk base of total owners would be practically nothing.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. The cost would be a pittance - there are so few accidents
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:52 AM
Apr 2013

but can you imagine what a competitive advantage a NRA endorsement would mean to an insurance company? They would be willing to give the NRA a cut for that. And then the NRA would negotiate a discount for members, resulting in increased membership fees as their membership swells.

It would be a sweet deal for them

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
24. That was completely shot down.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:27 AM
Apr 2013

The insurance industry went to the hearing and said no company would provide insurance for intentional, willful, or criminal acts. Only the Bill's sponsor ended up voting for it.

davepc

(3,936 posts)
21. How exactly does one have a registry of plastic boxes with a spring?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:03 AM
Apr 2013

Also magazines aren't serialized so other then some sort of honor system there's no way to prove who did and did not posses them when they were legal.

madville

(7,408 posts)
25. It's pretty much unenforceable
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:44 AM
Apr 2013

Magazines don't have serial numbers and mainly just the ones made during the federal AWB have dates on them.

Anyone can still easily go to a neighboring state and buy whatever they want. I'm sure the cops will run across an unregistered one occasionally though, I wonder if it's a felony or misdemeanor?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
27. It was to give the parents something.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:59 AM
Apr 2013

because they were unable or unwilling to ban the magazines.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
38. I asked the same thing about Colorado's 15-rd mag limit
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:51 PM
Apr 2013

Same answer: nothing.

A patchwork high-capacity ban from state to state is unenforceable and only good for creating political points. Only a federal ban would have any impact, and that's not going to happen anytime soon.

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