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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:15 PM Apr 2013

Nearly 1 million Americans killed or wounded by guns from 2001 to 2010, CSU study finds

Source: Cleveland Plain-Dealer

Gun violence directly impacts the lives of one in every 314 Americans, according to a new study by Cleveland State University.

Between 2001 and 2010, 989,023 people in the United States were either killed or wounded by gunfire, according to research by Ned Hill.

During this period, the total number of Americans killed or wounded by firearms was equivalent to nearly five times the total U.S. casualties during the Vietnam War and 92 percent of total U.S. casualties during World War II, Hill found.

.......

Of the nearly 1 million Americans who were killed or wounded by firearms from 2001 to 2010, nearly half of those injured were wounded in an armed assault, 18 percent committed suicide, 12 percent were murdered and 4 percent suffered self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/04/nearly_1_million_americans_kil.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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Nearly 1 million Americans killed or wounded by guns from 2001 to 2010, CSU study finds (Original Post) Redfairen Apr 2013 OP
32,000 gun deaths per year Mosby Apr 2013 #1
Gun deaths will surpass vehicle deaths by 2015. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #5
"About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides." hack89 Apr 2013 #7
Just having a gun in the house increases your risk of suicide by 5 times. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #9
"the family" is often not present, or has no idea their loved one is contemplating suicide. maxsolomon Apr 2013 #19
All the more reason not to keep a gun in the house in the first place. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #20
we concur on this maxsolomon Apr 2013 #21
Cleveland ...the city where you can't walk downtown after dark. L0oniX Apr 2013 #2
There's a reason they have valet parking at the Hall of Fame. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #3
I was there all day and walked around down town durring the day for a break. L0oniX Apr 2013 #4
Selling drugs is a dangerous business. tom2255 Apr 2013 #6
What percentage of gun deaths are attributable to "selling drugs"? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #8
I don't have the numbers in front of me. tom2255 Apr 2013 #10
So are you contending that the majority of gun deaths are drug sale related? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #12
Over half of gunshot (by others, not counting suicides) victims are themselves criminals. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #14
Considering a third of Americans are arrested by age 23, that is not surprising. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #17
I am willing to accept the risks for myself. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #22
What about OUR FREEDOM not to be victims of your poor decisions? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #23
The stats in your cartoon do not separate out the legal from the illegal gun owners. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #24
Neither do gun sellers. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #25
You left out the FBI background check, fingerprinting, and photo. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #26
So deal? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #28
If you include protecting turf then it's high One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #29
Even per your expansion of the category, that is still less than 20% of all gun deaths. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #30
A good start, 5000 more alive each year One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #31
If Australia can do it, we can do it too. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #32
These statistics didnt copy and paste quite right but this is direct from the U.S. Dept of justice. Mr.Pain Apr 2013 #11
I notice the article provides no link to the study. How convenient. bubbayugga Apr 2013 #13
That's funny because my computer had a link at the article and when I clicked it grantcart Apr 2013 #16
LOL. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #18
Look! DU's usual stooges rush to the defense of their toys. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #15
they are truly pathetic Skittles Apr 2013 #27

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. "About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides."
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:59 PM
Apr 2013

unfortunately America's suicide rate has been increasing - it is almost three times our murder rate.

We really need single payer healthcare with mental health coverage.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
9. Just having a gun in the house increases your risk of suicide by 5 times.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 05:27 PM
Apr 2013

Of course we need single payer, for a number of reasons. But we can't ignore the role guns play. The family should simply remove the guns from the home when their loved one is suffering from mental illness. We could use some PSAs saying that. That way the person has a chance to get treated before blowing their brains out. We really need reasonable gun control, including universal background checks that keep weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, those who have pending domestic violence restraining orders, and criminals.

It's not just suicides. ALL deaths caused by firearms have been increasing. From the article:

"He found that the number of deaths caused by firearms – including not only murders, but also suicides, accidental deaths and deaths due to law enforcement action – has gradually increased since the late 1990s."

If Canada can have reasonable gun control AND single payer, we can do it too.

maxsolomon

(32,977 posts)
19. "the family" is often not present, or has no idea their loved one is contemplating suicide.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
Apr 2013

suicide is often impulsive.

i know 2 recent gun suicides:
1. 45 year old man, left no note, wife had no clue he was depressed.
2. 17 year old girl, left no note, went behind the barn with the family rifle. no clue she was depressed.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. Cleveland ...the city where you can't walk downtown after dark.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

I was warned by a security guard not to walk around down town after dark when I helped at a friends induction to the R&R Hall of Fame.

 

tom2255

(37 posts)
6. Selling drugs is a dangerous business.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:55 PM
Apr 2013

Especially when business disputes can't be settled in court.

Recently a couple of drug dealers chased a couple other drug dealers right through town shooting at them with actual machine guns. At leas that brought the FBI into it.
My cop friend responded to a call the other day. Drug dealer shot 4 times in the chest and once in the head, and he survived.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
8. What percentage of gun deaths are attributable to "selling drugs"?
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 05:23 PM
Apr 2013

Seems to me it is a small percentage of the overall gun death figure. Not that the "War on Drugs" has been anything less than a disaster for our country. http://stopthedrugwar.org/taxonomy/term/242

 

tom2255

(37 posts)
10. I don't have the numbers in front of me.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:45 PM
Apr 2013

When I looked into it I found that the US is actually less violent than other similar countries if you take out the crime which is a direct result of drugs and gang activity. We actually have less people attacking each other with beer bottles and stuff like that, random violence. The drug gang activity drives us way up.
The info is all available.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
14. Over half of gunshot (by others, not counting suicides) victims are themselves criminals.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-31-criminal-target_N.htm

Various studies, in various cities have all shown similar high percentages.

In Baltimore, about 91% of murder victims this year had criminal records, up from 74% a decade ago, police reported.

Philadelphia police Capt. Ben Naish says the Baltimore numbers are "shocking." Philadelphia also has seen the number of victims with criminal pasts inch up — to 75% this year from 71% in 2005.

In Milwaukee, local leaders created the homicide commission after a spike in violence led to a 39% increase in murders in 2005. The group compiled statistics on victims' criminal histories for the first time and found that 77% of homicide victims in the past two years had an average of nearly 12 arrests.

In Newark, where three young friends with no apparent links to crime were executed Aug. 4, roughly 85% of victims killed in the first six months of this year had criminal records, on par with the percentage in 2005 but up from 81% last year, police statistics show.


That's the victims in four major cities. There is no reason to believe that any other major city is greatly different.

Now let's look at murder suspects: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-30-baltvictims_N.htm

Recent homicide records show that about 97% of Baltimore's murder suspects have prior arrests.

The problem isn't law-abiding people with guns, it is criminals with guns.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
17. Considering a third of Americans are arrested by age 23, that is not surprising.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:12 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/us/nearly-a-third-of-americans-are-arrested-by-23-study-says.html?_r=0

The percentage of people who die by gun with criminal records appears to be about the same as those of the general population, if you count all kinds of gun deaths. Of course, gunners like to ignore the accidental gun deaths and suicides, which together comprise the majority of gun deaths, and instead highlight murders. Their implication, like that of your post, is that people who die by gun deserved it and so we should not care about gun deaths. But considering that a large percentage of our general population has a criminal record, thanks to the War on Drugs, we should keep in mind these "criminals" tend to be nonviolent criminals and are more often than not someone like your uncle who got caught with weed.

Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national War on Drugs. The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
22. I am willing to accept the risks for myself.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

Dividing the risk into its separate groups:

Suicide: I am not suicidal and am willing to accept the risk to myself that in the future I may become suicidal. I do not appreciate your efforts to protect me from myself.

Murder while engaged in a criminal enterprise: Most murder victims are themselves criminals. Most murders are criminals killing criminals. I am not engaged in any criminal enterprise and I don't behave violently or hang out in violent places, so my risk of being killed for those reasons is zero.

Accidental gunshot death: I have been around guns for over 60 years and haven't had a negligent discharge yet. I know and use the four safety rules.

Murder by a stranger while he is robbing me: For that unlikely event, I am armed and ready to defend myself.

Nearly 1/3 have an arrest by age 23. Interesting. My linked article listed the statistics for murder victims with criminal records for four cities: They were 91%, 75%, 77%, 85%. That is a lot more than 1/3.

The ones who committed suicide used their freedom to end their own lives. That is tragic, and sad for the survivors, but IT IS THEIR FREEDOM. We must respect that freedom.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
23. What about OUR FREEDOM not to be victims of your poor decisions?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:53 PM
Apr 2013

Like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, it isn't just your own risk. It isn't all about you.

I am glad you are not suicidal and no kids have found your guns. You've been lucky. 32,000 people each year aren't so lucky. It is the rest of us who have to pay the cost of picking up the pieces when a gun owner blows his brains out. Depression is a mental illness that having a gun in the house makes 5 times more fatal. Having a gun in the house is a stupid decision that costs society dearly.



GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
24. The stats in your cartoon do not separate out the legal from the illegal gun owners.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:10 PM
Apr 2013

Anti-gunners always lump all gun owners into one pile. But we can be divided into the law-abiding and the criminals. The law-abiding rarely pose any threat to anyone. It is the illegal gun owners who are the threats.

It is very dangerous to be a violent criminal or to live with a violent criminal. Women who are abused by men with guns are usually living with a man with a violent criminal past.

Guns don't radiate a violent mind-control field, but violent criminals are more likely to use them to further the criminals ends.

Take a look at the state-wide statistics on this page to see how very seldom guns are wrongly used by people with CCW permits.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
25. Neither do gun sellers.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:17 PM
Apr 2013

Are you saying only people eligible for a Texas Concealed Carry License should be able to buy guns? Because if you are, you will have no argument from me. The Texas CHL keeps concealed carry licenses out of the hands of a lot of people, including those under 21, those who have a DUI conviction, anyone previously diagnosed with a serious psychiatric disorder, those who have a pending protective order against them, and people who are in arrears on child support or taxes. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetForms/Forms/CHL-16.pdf

That goes a long way to creating those low crime stats you cite for Texas CHL permits. I'm all for those standards being applied to all gun purchases as part of a universal background check. Deal?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
26. You left out the FBI background check, fingerprinting, and photo.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:32 PM
Apr 2013

Thanks for admitting that CHLers have such excellent stats.

The rest of the general public that is law-abiding, (Clean criminal record as shown by the NICS check.) will have stats similar to the CHLers.

Consider that when a murderer is found, 97% of the time he has a prior record. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-30-baltvictims_N.htm That leaves 3% to be spread over a vastly larger number of folks.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
29. If you include protecting turf then it's high
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:33 PM
Apr 2013

Talk to the cops who work in inner cities. Gang on Gang disputes be it over turf or other perceived grievances make up a large portion of the inner city gun violence.

Authorities throughout the country report that gangs are responsible for most of the serious violent crime in the major cities of the United States. Gangs engage in an array of criminal activities including assault, burglary, drive-by shooting, extortion, homicide, identification fraud, money laundering, prostitution operations, robbery, sale of stolen property, and weapons trafficking.
One of those underlying causes is gang activity, which accounts for “an average of 48% of violent crime in most jurisdictions,” and up to 90% in some jurisdictions.


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

More than half of the homicides reported in Los Angeles, and more than half of the homicides reported in Chicago, are elated to gang violence.
http://www.teenviolencestatistics.com/content/gang-violence.html

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
30. Even per your expansion of the category, that is still less than 20% of all gun deaths.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:13 PM
Apr 2013

Let's say those stats from the big cities apply all across the country (far from clear) and that half of all homicides are related to gang violence. That is still less than 20% of all gun deaths, since of the 306,946 gun deaths from 2001 to 2010, only 119,246 were homicides. The vast majority are suicides, at 175,000. http://www.urban.csuohio.edu/publications/hill/ButchersBill_Hill_032813.pdf

Having a gun in the home increases your risk of suicide five times. More guns equal more death.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
31. A good start, 5000 more alive each year
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:38 PM
Apr 2013

And 50,000 fewer people shot each year. That makes a good start. And these individuals are more like the mexican cartels in that making things illegal isn't going to cause the weapons to disappear.

Mr.Pain

(52 posts)
11. These statistics didnt copy and paste quite right but this is direct from the U.S. Dept of justice.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:43 PM
Apr 2013

Estimated crime in 2010 State Population
coverage National or state crime
Violent crime Violent crime total Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter Forcible rape Robbery Aggravated assault

United States-Total 308,745,538 1,246,248 14,748 84,767 367,832 778,901
here is the link though
http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeOneYearofData.cfm
2010–2011 U.S. Transportation Fatalities
2010 20111
Highway: Passenger cars 12,491 11,981
Light trucks and vans 9,782 9,272
Pedestrians 4,302 4,432
Motorcycles 4,518 4,612
Pedalcycles2 623 677
Medium and heavy trucks 530 635
Buses 44 54
Other3 709 704
Total, Highway 32,999 32,367

Grade Crossings:4 (261) (251)

Rail: Intercity5—
Trespassers and nontrespassers6 542 499
Employees and contractors 23 24
Passengers 3 6
Transit7—
Light, heavy, and commuter rail 255 230
Total, Rail 823 759

Marine: Recreational boating 672 758
Cargo transport 14 12
Commercial fishing8 27 25
Commercial passengers 10 5
Total, Marine 723 800

Aviation: General aviation 454 444
Airlines 2 0
Air taxi 17 41
Commuter 0 0
Foreign/unregistered9 3 9
Total, Aviation 476 494

Pipeline: Gas 21 13
Liquids 1 1
Total, Pipeline 22 14

Total 35,043 34,434
1 Numbers for 2011 are preliminary estimates. Aviation data are from the NTSB; marine data are from the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security; all other data are from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT).
2 Includes bicycles or other cycles.
3 Includes vehicle non-occupants other than pedestrians and occupant fatalities in other vehicle types, such as farm or construction equipment.
4 Grade crossing fatalities are not counted as a separate category for determining the grand total because they are included in the highway and rail categories, as appropriate.
5 Data reported to Federal Rail Administration (FRA).
6 Includes persons on railroad property without permission (trespassers) and with permission, such as repair personnel (nontrespassers). Does not include motor vehicle occupants killed at grade crossings.
7 Data reported to Federal Transit Administration (FTA). Fatalities for commuter rail operations may also be reported to the FRA and may be included in the intercity railroad fatalities.
8 Refers to operational fatalities.
9 Includes non-U.S. registered aircraft involved in accidents in the United States.

this is from the NTSB
http://www.ntsb.gov/data/index.html
This is the information I was able to find, you do the math.

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