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Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:25 PM

Harris allies granted call with Biden campaign after Dodd blowup

Source: Politico

Allies of Kamala Harris sought and received a meeting with Joe Biden’s campaign staff this week after a leader of his vice presidential vetting team was quoted doubting whether she’d be a loyal No. 2.

Prominent supporters of the California senator asked for the virtual sit-down on the heels of a POLITICO report Monday that Harris is not a lock for VP. It quoted former Sen. Chris Dodd, one of four members of the vetting unit, remarking to a prominent Democratic donor that Harris had “no remorse” for attacking Biden during a debate last year. Biden’s campaign at the time viewed the attack — Harris went after Biden for opposing a school busing program — as a cheap shot contrived to make him look racially insensitive.

That story and another recent POLITICO report detailed that a contingent of Democrats is lobbying against Harris to be chosen as Biden’s running mate.

The conference call included several of the state’s highest-ranking elected officials and labor and business leaders, including Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis, Secretary of State Alex Padilla, San Francisco Mayor London Breed, state schools chief Tony Thurmond, state Treasurer Fiona Ma and Chad Griffin, a Democratic consultant and former head of Human Rights campaign, according to organizers.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/harris-allies-biden-call-dodd-389848

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Reply Harris allies granted call with Biden campaign after Dodd blowup (Original post)
JoeOtterbein Jul 31 OP
left-of-center2012 Jul 31 #1
JGug1 Aug 1 #32
left-of-center2012 Aug 1 #35
kiri Aug 1 #37
trueblue2007 Jul 31 #2
Stand and Fight Aug 1 #23
Joinfortmill Jul 31 #3
paleotn Jul 31 #6
TDale313 Jul 31 #10
getagrip_already Aug 1 #36
sheshe2 Jul 31 #4
paleotn Jul 31 #5
JoeOtterbein Jul 31 #8
regnaD kciN Jul 31 #19
AZ8theist Aug 1 #28
MustLoveBeagles Jul 31 #7
ananda Jul 31 #18
JGug1 Aug 1 #33
TDale313 Jul 31 #9
Merlot Aug 1 #31
PatSeg Jul 31 #11
delisen Jul 31 #12
PatSeg Jul 31 #13
Sloumeau Jul 31 #14
AZ8theist Aug 1 #29
James48 Jul 31 #15
raging moderate Aug 1 #26
Hulk Jul 31 #16
lastlib Aug 1 #20
Hulk Aug 1 #24
DeminPennswoods Aug 1 #25
question everything Jul 31 #17
napi21 Aug 1 #21
NellieStarbuck Aug 1 #22
left-of-center2012 Aug 1 #27
AZ8theist Aug 1 #30
jcgoldie Aug 1 #34
Iggo Aug 1 #38
yellowcanine Aug 1 #39
yellowcanine Aug 1 #40
Baclava Aug 1 #41
MrsCoffee Aug 1 #42
hamsterjill Aug 1 #43

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:34 PM

1. Some lobbied for her ...

Others against her.

I still think, as I've said before, it will not be one of those frequently being mentioned.

We'll soon know.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:23 AM

32. Harris

Harris would be vulnerable on a couple of fronts. The worst is that she reportedly laughed when asked about her own marijuana use while having sent a fair number of people to prison for using. Her attack on Biden would be featured. It appears to me that she is not the right candidate.

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:31 AM

35. And ...

Her presidential campaign failed, with her dropping out, before the first primaries, caucuses.
Guessing Biden needs a better campaigner?

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:50 AM

37. Harris is no help in criminal justice reform

She has opposed the Innocence Project. Even re-prosecuted a man found wrongfully imprisoned. She accepted huge moneys from police unions and never brought a single prosecution against police misconduct.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:12 AM

23. You left out a word. n/t

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:41 PM

3. Whomever Joe picks is fine with me.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:50 PM

6. This! +10000

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:57 PM

10. Agreed.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:46 AM

36. agreed - and a lot of the attacks against her are racist and mysonogystic.....

She is too driven. She wants to be potus too much. She is aggressive. She doesn't speak well. She isn't liked....

Where have we heard these types of arguments before? Oh yeah, every time a strong female and/or minority becomes a front runner in anything.

Reality check people. A lot of your anti-harris arguments are petty and superficial.

Joe will make his own choice. No matter who he chooses, someone will be bent out of shape because it isn't there choice.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:43 PM

4. Political. nt

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:50 PM

5. Politics is not a game for the feint at heart....

Seems Dodd needs to put on his big boy shoes. It was a tough primary fight. Things were said. Stale, weak soup really, but dear god, folks, let it go. If you want a super duper loyal BFF in politics, I suggest taking Truman's advice and visiting an animal shelter. Lots of cute cuddlies who'd love to curl up in your lap and do your bidding. I don't expect such behavior from a qualified VP. We don't need a Pence clone.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:53 PM

8. +1 nt

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Response to paleotn (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

19. I wonder who leaked all this to Politico...?

If it was Harris's "people," it's a bad move. Now, if Biden picks her, it will look like he "gave in" to a pressure campaign by them.

If it wasn't them, well, the only person who could benefit from Biden being made to look weak is...I wonder if we have a mole problem.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:45 AM

28. I never read Politico...

But isn't Politico a hotbed of "both siderism"? Always looking for the "democrats in disarray" angle?

If so, I wouldn't waste 10 milliseconds on this....

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:52 PM

7. If he picks her for VP that's fine with me

I wasn't thrilled with what she did during that debate but if Joe's doesn't hold a grudge over it I won't either. Personally I think she's better suited to be Attorney General.

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

18. Same

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:25 AM

33. Harris As AG

Absolutely. She is better suited to be Attorney General.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:56 PM

9. A man who fought hard during the primaries

And was being considered as a possible number 2 would not be facing the same criticisms for being “too mean” In fact, being willing to throw punches so the top of the ticket can appear above the fray is often seen as a benefit. Just sayin’.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:21 AM

31. Yup. More of the same.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 09:58 PM

11. The article also indicated

that Biden won't announce his VP pick next week, but the 2nd week in August. Kind of frustrating, but it is good publicity for his campaign at a time when he can't hold rallies. Draw out the suspense.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

12. I think it just annoys a lotofpeopleand the infighting is not good for party unity

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Response to delisen (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

13. Kind of like a mini primary I suppose

but as I recall, people do recuperate quickly and the media will keep Biden in the news cycle.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 PM

14. I believe that George H.W. Bush went after Reagan harder in the primaries than Senator Harris went

...after Biden. Among other things, Bush called Supply-Side Economics "Voodoo Economics". Still, Reagan picked him as VP and threby united the Republican Party. Saying you should not pick someone who was tough on you during the primary is nuts.

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Response to Sloumeau (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:49 AM

29. Excellent point.

I very clearly remember the "voodoo economics" jab. It hit home.

Funny thing is, 40 years later GHWB was proven right. IT WAS (AND IS) VOODOO Economics.

We didn't get "trickled down" , we got pissed on....

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:32 PM

15. I'd really like to hear/see "the short list"

The last few VP picks haven’t come with a lot of study- if really like to see a list of perhaps five to eight that are seriously being considered, so that we all could hear, see, and debate who they are, and the advantages and disadvantages of each, BEFORE he makes his pick.

I wasn’t pleased with Harris earlier, but the more I hear and look at her, the more comfortable I am that she could handle it. But I want that same study for the others. I heard Duckworth, but I think she is too new on the Senate level. I’d like someone with more years of experience, I think. There are other good candidates as well. Can we please get a short list together, and maybe start talking about them in a “shortlist “ thread?

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Response to James48 (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 08:41 AM

26. Duckworth and Harris both became Senators in 2016.

They are both newer than most on the Senate level.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

16. It was a cheap shot, in my humble opinion.

There were a few others as well...but you know, that's politics baby. It's the way the game is played in these types of races. Should she apologize? I think it's water under the bridge. She tried to dislodge VP Biden and rattle his cage, and she did it pretty well. I thought at the time it was a cheap shot, and a long shot cheap shot; but that's the way the game is played. Senator Warren had a few, so did Mayor Pete....and others as well. Everyone was trying to knock the other off balance and take the lead. She missed. She didn't accomplish what she wanted, but she threw it out there. She had a point, but I think attacking Biden directly as the cause for her riding a bus across town when she was a little kid was a long reach.

Move on. This race is about getting EVERY repuKKKe GOPutin puppet out of government. If Senator Harris gets the VP job, she'll be great. She'll kick that little percy ass kisser's butt right out from behind his podium, and "mama will be upset" because he debated a woman....tsk, tsk.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:03 AM

20. Politics ain't bean-bag, as the saying goes...

Sometimes the best allies you can have are the folks who roughed you up way back when. Sen. Harris did prove that she could throw a good punch, and that could be a valuable skill against AnusMouth. I'll certainly take her on the ticket, just as I would anybody down to, and including, an old rusty Dodge hubcap (and I LOATHE Dodge products).

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Response to lastlib (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:41 AM

24. Agree 100%

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Response to lastlib (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:44 AM

25. Agree

If you can't take criticism or absorb a punch or two at a debate, politics is not for you.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

17. Never in recent memory, has the concept of being a heartbeat from the presidency

been so front and center.

And if anyone is being offended, or want to alert than take your head out of the sand. This is real!

Harris could not even get her presidential campaign right, how can anyone expect her to be able to step in if Biden cannot complete his term?

In general, I wish, not that my opinion matters much, that the running mate should be evaluated on these qualities, not on "identity."

When Bill Clinton was looking at a running mate, he said how strange it felt, like selecting Hillary next husband..


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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:36 AM

21. I think it's foolish to hold her hit at Joe in a debate. Everyone on that stage was looking for

something that would get voters to remember THEM! All of the candidates were bracing for hits on them because they were in a competition to be the last one standing. I'm hoping Joe will pick her for his VP because I recognize Joe is older than most nominees have been and we all have to think ahead of election day. He needs someone who really could be President if called upon to do so. IMO there's only one other woman in the group he is choosing from & that is Elizabeth Warren. The only reason I didn't say Warren as VP is because I think it would be a mistake to have both candidates on the ticket be over 70. The other candidates all didn't have enough experience.

Before you all start berating me for picking on older people, I'm 78 & I know how some people think those over 70 have one foot in the grave!

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:39 AM

22. Chris Dodd misses being relevant.

He should enjoy his lobbying and retirement and leave governance to the under-80 crowd.

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Response to NellieStarbuck (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:15 AM

27. Chris Dodd

Apparently Biden chose him to help vent VP candidates.
Guess Biden values Dodd's input.

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Response to NellieStarbuck (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:02 AM

30. and then Dodd looks around, and seeing nothing....

picks HIMSELF as VP, a la Dick Cheney?

UGH!! Just joking......even we're not that stupid.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:28 AM

34. Clyburn told PBS yesterday hed rather have a black woman on the supreme court than VP

I understand the sentiment but he could also be laying cover for Joe’s pick. If that’s the case I think Duckworth is very likely.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:58 PM

38. There's no perfect choice.

And I'm with Harris on this one. "It was a debate!"

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:51 PM

39. Dodd needs to STFU. He is not helping.

First rule of serving in a selection committee: keep EVERYTHING CONFIDENTIAL.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:09 PM

41. Coincidence? "Joe Biden delays VP announcement another week"

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:53 PM

42. BIDEN/HARRIS 2020!

Fired Up!
Ready to Go!

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:50 PM

43. If this is true, I think she's trying too hard.

Amy Klobuchar took her name out of the running for the good of the country.

I feel like Kamala Harris should let the process work and if she’s Biden’s choice, well then that’s fine. But I feel like she’s lobbying for the job a little too much.

There’s nothing wrong with assertively presenting her qualifications, but if at this stage of the game, she’s having to correct things with Chris Dodd, it just doesn’t feel right to me.

That said, if she is the pick, I’ll shut up and never say anything negative about her again.

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