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lonely bird

(1,674 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:33 PM Mar 2020

Hobby Lobby Founder Reportedly Told Employees A Message From God Informed His Decision to Leave Stor

Last edited Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Business Insider

Hobby Lobby, the craft store chain that is no stranger to controversy, is once again finding itself in hot water for allegedly citing a message from God in its decision to leave stores open amid the coronavirus outbreak.

Though more than 90 retailers in the US have temporarily shuttered in the past week in an effort to stem the spread of the coronavirus, Hobby Lobby has remained steadfast in staying open for business. On Saturday, digital strategist Kendall Brown tweeted a widely circulated photo of a note allegedly written by Hobby Lobby founder David Green, in which the openly conservative Christian businessman repeatedly mentions the power of God as part of his justification to leave stores open.

In the note to employees, Green reportedly wrote that the decision was informed by a message from God bestowed upon his wife Barbara Green, who he described as a "prayer warrior."

"In her quiet prayer time this past week, the Lord put on Barbara's heart three profound words to remind us that He's in control. Guide, Guard, and Groom," Green reportedly says in the letter. "We serve a God who will Guide us through this storm, who will Guard us as we travel to places never seen before, and who, as a result of this experience, will Groom us to be better than we could have ever thought possible before now."


Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-reportedly-leaving-stores-open-message-from-god-2020-3



So, the CEO's wife got a message from God and Hobby Lobby is staying open in defiance of the state of Ohio. Another "religious freedom" bullshit case for the SCOTUS coming up imo.

I e-mailed Hobby Lobby saying the CEO's wife was a liar. These Pharisees need to be exposed. The Christ said that the wealthy have their reward.
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Hobby Lobby Founder Reportedly Told Employees A Message From God Informed His Decision to Leave Stor (Original Post) lonely bird Mar 2020 OP
Lock them up. RandySF Mar 2020 #1
Either they are criminally endangering their staff or they need to be locked in an asylum Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #23
I dont see why It cant be both quakerboy Mar 2020 #55
The only people customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #34
But what about the people who work there thucythucy Mar 2020 #45
True customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #47
She heard wrong. Harker Mar 2020 #2
Prayer Warrior Cartoonist Mar 2020 #3
Christians pray for their enemies. BrightKnight Mar 2020 #74
Maybe Rand Paul can have lunch (or a swim) with the owners. eom IllinoisBirdWatcher Mar 2020 #4
Good idea Rebl2 Mar 2020 #20
So all of them and their stupid customers will get sick milestogo Mar 2020 #5
And spread it in the community. wnylib Mar 2020 #42
They're doing it for their business, even if they say its for their beliefs. milestogo Mar 2020 #46
I know it is business, not religion. wnylib Mar 2020 #48
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #54
I think you misunderstood what MTG was ... Whiskeytide Mar 2020 #61
Exactly. One of their accountants ... Whiskeytide Mar 2020 #62
This is why shunning of all deplorables is necessary Aquaria Mar 2020 #52
When times get tough RussBLib Mar 2020 #6
This is not a turn to religion. It's a business wnylib Mar 2020 #50
I don't know the Bible very well but don't remember anything saying you could do anything you feel captain queeg Mar 2020 #7
When the plagues hit Egypt and the first-born males died King_Klonopin Mar 2020 #39
Ok then...stay open, but render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's Moostache Mar 2020 #8
Shut them down, padlock the doors, end of story hatrack Mar 2020 #9
No paid sick leave Python boot Mar 2020 #10
Zero Ventilators For Hobby Lobby Shoppers DanieRains Mar 2020 #11
+100! n/t KT2000 Mar 2020 #13
Yeah. Not sure I would take the next shawl or cap they knit for me. Captain Zero Mar 2020 #24
national boycott! KT2000 Mar 2020 #12
Christianity and the Bible honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by theft and frau keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #14
I don't imagine Illinois gov Pritzker will be having any of that bull shit!! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #16
Exclusive photo of David Green's God: LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #17
I was going to say she didn't hear the words guide, guard, and groom. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #37
So, is he gonna visit the stores not fooled Mar 2020 #18
God moonlights l as Hobby Lobbys CPA... who knew? nt procon Mar 2020 #19
He means "the Lord put on Barbara's heart three profound words: Money, Money, Money" dalton99a Mar 2020 #21
In the 14th Century, they tried praying away the Black Death DBoon Mar 2020 #22
In the 15th century, Pence tried to pray away AIDS in Indiana. Equally effective at zero. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #32
Such bullshit Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #25
I don't Rebl2 Mar 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Mar 2020 #27
Snake handling anyone? defacto7 Mar 2020 #28
Don't think Michaels craft stores are closing either even after requests by workers Pls read link lunasun Mar 2020 #29
OMFG. Put that scumbag CEO in jail!! SunSeeker Mar 2020 #30
Any employees that catch it from another employee need to sue the shit out of the company. cstanleytech Mar 2020 #31
God culling the herd? muntrv Mar 2020 #33
But....but ..but popsicle sticks are a necessity in time of a national emergency world wide wally Mar 2020 #35
Bless them and save them. They need it. Mira Mar 2020 #36
I also received a message from God... King_Klonopin Mar 2020 #38
Love your neighbor and do not kill BrightKnight Mar 2020 #40
The governor needs to send the state police to shut their stores down. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2020 #41
The added commentary is seriously misleading. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #43
I will agree. lonely bird Mar 2020 #68
this will give me something to do tomorrow orleans Mar 2020 #44
More like the message was from his broker. B Stieg Mar 2020 #49
Does anyone but traitors shop there? Aquaria Mar 2020 #51
They would be fined MFM008 Mar 2020 #53
How about quakerboy Mar 2020 #56
Hell, they've opened at least four new stores in March.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #57
I think I will go into Hobby Lobby James48 Mar 2020 #58
Makes me wish Hell was real Rube Icon Mar 2020 #59
Any state depatment of Health can close stores down, thats is what is needed to done beachbumbob Mar 2020 #60
That guy is real dumb and greedy and not much of a Christian blogslut Mar 2020 #63
Fine them into oblivion. TNNurse Mar 2020 #64
What will Ohio R Gov do? NOTHING! lark Mar 2020 #65
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Mar 2020 #66
words fail me mushroomhunter Mar 2020 #67
Need a corona virus detector go to that store bluestarone Mar 2020 #69
The Lord, God; Mammon. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #70
Religious insanity strikes again. Mickju Mar 2020 #71
This is the so called.. Maxheader Mar 2020 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author BrightKnight Mar 2020 #73

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,925 posts)
23. Either they are criminally endangering their staff or they need to be locked in an asylum
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:15 PM
Mar 2020

I'm leaning to the latter. "Prayer Warrior" indeed



thucythucy

(8,032 posts)
45. But what about the people who work there
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:20 AM
Mar 2020

and through no fault of their own have no other options?

And what about the friends, families, and even total strangers who might be infected by Hobby Lobby shoppers?

We're all swimming in the same pool. If any one of us pisses, we all have to deal with the result.

wnylib

(21,281 posts)
42. And spread it in the community.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:11 AM
Mar 2020

If they want to endanger themselves, I don't care. But they do not have a legal right to endanger others.

The law is clear on this and has already been decided. Religious beliefs must take a back seat when health and safety are endangered. Jehovah's Witnesses do not permit blood transfusions. But in the case of minors, the law steps in to save the child's life because children cannot give consent to reject treatment.

In the case of covid 19, it jeopardizes the health and safety of people of all ages. Hobby Lobby does not have a leg to stand on.

I want to see the response of NY's Governor Cuomo and NY AG Letitia James if they try to pull this stunt in NY. I can just hear Cuomo saying that God told him to shut them down and prosecute.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
46. They're doing it for their business, even if they say its for their beliefs.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:28 AM
Mar 2020

There is no way real Christianity teaches people to endanger the lives of others.

wnylib

(21,281 posts)
48. I know it is business, not religion.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:37 AM
Mar 2020

But they are making a mistake to hide behind phony religious claims on this because even if the belief in a message from God was real, it does not require a court decision to shut them down. Courts have alreafy ruled on this type of situation.

Response to milestogo (Reply #46)

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
62. Exactly. One of their accountants ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:02 AM
Mar 2020

... showed them the numbers and they lost their shit. Pastor Green must have told Barb to go to prayer battle stations.

 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
52. This is why shunning of all deplorables is necessary
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:11 AM
Mar 2020

They are a danger to themselves and to others.

RussBLib

(8,999 posts)
6. When times get tough
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:40 PM
Mar 2020

People turn back to religion again. That would be a really sad result of this crisis, if we were to see a large wave of religion wash over the US, again. The nones and rational people have made much progress over the last few decades. Shame to see it washed away by fear.

captain queeg

(10,072 posts)
7. I don't know the Bible very well but don't remember anything saying you could do anything you feel
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:43 PM
Mar 2020

Like and be safe. Isn’t there a thing about give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s? Like obey the law?

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
39. When the plagues hit Egypt and the first-born males died
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:57 AM
Mar 2020

the Hebrew slaves were told they had to stay inside their homes.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
8. Ok then...stay open, but render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:43 PM
Mar 2020

You stay open, and you are taxed at 100% of revenue to pay for healthcare for the workers' you are risking and to contribute to the public well being. Jesus would approve.

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
12. national boycott!
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:53 PM
Mar 2020

What idiots would force their workers to face such a risk for nonessential business. She probably heard GREED!

keithbvadu2

(36,619 posts)
14. Christianity and the Bible honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by theft and frau
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:54 PM
Mar 2020
http://www.newsweek.com/hobby-lobby-iraq-antiquities-evangelicals-632434

Christianity and the Bible honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by theft and fraud by the Hobby Lobby Museum..

Response to lonely bird (Original post)

Dem2theMax

(9,632 posts)
37. I was going to say she didn't hear the words guide, guard, and groom.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:51 AM
Mar 2020

What she really heard was
GREED! GREED! GREED!

not fooled

(5,799 posts)
18. So, is he gonna visit the stores
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:09 PM
Mar 2020

and mingle with the public and employees? Bet not.


Religion--humankind's worst idea.


DBoon

(22,336 posts)
22. In the 14th Century, they tried praying away the Black Death
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:15 PM
Mar 2020

yersinia pestis didn't care about their prayers

Docreed2003

(16,844 posts)
25. Such bullshit
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:19 PM
Mar 2020

They didn't hear jack crap other than wanting two things: not to lose money, and to potentially have another splashy lawsuit they can file. Sick bastards

Rebl2

(13,429 posts)
26. I don't
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:20 PM
Mar 2020

think Michaels stores are closed totally. Think they have curb side pick up. I think they will have to close in my county in MO tomorrow evening though because there will be a shut down of non essential business. Don’t think craft stores are essential business.

Response to lonely bird (Original post)

Mira

(22,380 posts)
36. Bless them and save them. They need it.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:49 AM
Mar 2020

Though I would be a customer for some of what they sell, repeat even, I have never ever darkened their door since they opened their store in my town. Nuff said. Except for: they made me sick then, and sicker now.
And it's not a virus. They're being pious based in ignorance and exclusion. Who needs that kind of sickness?

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
38. I also received a message from God...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:55 AM
Mar 2020

He told me that you need to pull your head out of your ass,
and that you left out the word Greed in your list.

(oh, and also that we need to get the band back together.)

This kind of "Christian" does not speak as a representative
of all Christians.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
40. Love your neighbor and do not kill
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:59 AM
Mar 2020

...the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction. Just because David Green calls himself Christian doesn’t mean that he is.

Ms. Toad

(33,975 posts)
43. The added commentary is seriously misleading.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:11 AM
Mar 2020

The statement by Hobby Lobby was made on March 19. The stay-at-home order was issued on March 22.

While Hobby Lobby may well defy the order when it takes effect at 11:59 on 3/23, this article isn't about Ohio, an isn't about defying an order to shut down. It's merely about being stupid.

orleans

(34,039 posts)
44. this will give me something to do tomorrow
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:16 AM
Mar 2020

illinois closed down all non essential stores and businesses

so i'll see if this fucking store is still open. and report their asses

here's their deal about corona on their website
https://newsroom.hobbylobby.com/notice-regarding-covid-19-virus/

 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
51. Does anyone but traitors shop there?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:09 AM
Mar 2020

I'd rather order online than give those treasonous hatemongers one fricking penny.

quakerboy

(13,914 posts)
56. How about
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 04:00 AM
Mar 2020

Let them stay open. And every employee or shopper who gets Covid gets to join a class action lawsuit. I think the full ownership of Hobby Lobby as well as the personal fortunes of the person who made this decision ought to be about the right settlement of that lawsuit.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
57. Hell, they've opened at least four new stores in March....
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 04:09 AM
Mar 2020

in Ohio, Texas, Maine and Illinois.

I'm assuming they feel obligated to remain open to sell necessities during this emergency.....

materials to make funeral wreaths.......

James48

(4,424 posts)
58. I think I will go into Hobby Lobby
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:15 AM
Mar 2020

And tell them I can’t get supplies from my regular store- may I please get:

1. Some eye of newt
2. Some toadstools
3. A mixing cauldron of about 1 Qt size
4. An appropriate frame to hang the caudron.

Then I’ll walk around and pick out just the right other items to toss in a good Wutxges brew. Hehehehe!

blogslut

(37,975 posts)
63. That guy is real dumb and greedy and not much of a Christian
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:37 AM
Mar 2020

He could have been a good christian and offered his services and supplies to help his fellow human beings. Dude has access to a whole lotta cloth and thread and hand tools and on and on.

lark

(23,058 posts)
65. What will Ohio R Gov do? NOTHING!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:53 AM
Mar 2020

Fucking repugs are so freaking scared of these evangelicals, all of them make me sick and are now making the people of OH more sick on purpose for profits. They use God as a money tool and are sickening assholes. I can't wait for karma to get them.

Omaha Steve

(99,464 posts)
66. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:24 AM
Mar 2020

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mushroomhunter

(87 posts)
67. words fail me
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

I'll just bet the CEO is self- isolating with a private physician on call - no doubt all family tested along with household servants. - have never gone into a HL and will tell friends and fam never to go. Please ask your contacts to do likewise.

bluestarone

(16,830 posts)
69. Need a corona virus detector go to that store
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:49 PM
Mar 2020

All chinese products spreading the virus all over!! CLOSE THEM DOWN!!!!

Mickju

(1,796 posts)
71. Religious insanity strikes again.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020

These people are criminals. I'm not religious, but Jesus said, "If you would be perfect you would sell all that you own and give the money to the poor." I don't know any christian who even comes close.

Maxheader

(4,369 posts)
72. This is the so called..
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020

"man of God"...that condemns abortions and then it was discovered he has stock in corps that produce different types of birth control.

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