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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:34 PM Dec 2017

Stupid on stupid: "The lawyer ate my tweet homework"

Woke up to this



John Dowd, President Trump's personal lawyer, tells me that a Trump tweet that caused an eruption yesterday was "my mistake," made in a tweet he had drafted and passed to White House social media director Dan Scavino.



It is a stupid excuse of course but the question who drafted it is of no consequence. The point is that Trump tweeted it out and found nothing untruthful with it.

However this is just more lies on other lies. No attorney is drafting tweets for Trump to send out. All attorneys are telling Trump to stop talking about the case, stop tweeting about the case and refer all questions to a single attorney that represents the entire defense team. If that attorney says anything more than "We have no comment" he will be sacked.

Have Dowd and Savino explain minute by minute before FBI agents what happened and maybe we can get these asses understand that they have to stop lying but more likely we are going to get more guilty verdicts.

Evidence of a cover up (lawyer ate the tweet) about a cover up (the actual tweet) of a felony obstruction claim(Flynn lying to the FBI) about the conspiracy (conspiring with the Russians to modify the sanctions) of sedition (not treason).


Sedition:

Congress has passed laws creating related offenses that punish conduct that undermines the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the Espionage Act of 1917, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. Some of these laws are still in effect. Some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.



We are literally watching people commit felonies before our eyes in slow motion. If the lawyer states before FBI agents that he drafted the tweet and did not, its another level of obstruction. Whether he drafted it or not it has been tweeted out and Trump hasn't disowned it. Who "drafted" the tweet is of zero relevance.
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Stupid on stupid: "The lawyer ate my tweet homework" (Original Post) grantcart Dec 2017 OP
Sure would like to fast forward to impeachment, resignations and democratisphere Dec 2017 #1
They are still adding people to the conspiracy. The chain of obstruction is still active. grantcart Dec 2017 #2
Republicans will not impeach one of their own. VOX Dec 2017 #9
Who is going to believe the lawyer got up at 6:15 AM to advertise Enoki33 Dec 2017 #3
hmmmm, he is sleeping with his lawyer Motley13 Dec 2017 #5
With Savino lol grantcart Dec 2017 #8
No, they share one of these.... smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #28
How many people are authorized to pretend to be the president? Public has a right to know. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #4
Shouldn't there MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #11
Maybe they will grant Trump one huge concession .... L. Coyote Dec 2017 #12
Along with..... MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #15
ROFLMAO L. Coyote Dec 2017 #16
An interesting legal strategy by Trump. jalan48 Dec 2017 #6
It's a question of fact that a jury decides marylandblue Dec 2017 #10
What a great choice of excuses! Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #7
Lawyer incriminated his client. Will lawyer be fired? Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #13
lol, report him to the bar grantcart Dec 2017 #23
I believe the lawyer really did write it Nevernose Dec 2017 #14
it doesn't work to help Trump grantcart Dec 2017 #18
Competent being the key word Nevernose Dec 2017 #19
It's even worse: janx Dec 2017 #20
Cover up..Lock 'em up! HipChick Dec 2017 #22
Trump typed that. rockfordfile Dec 2017 #17
Yes he did. His lawyer made a suggestion, janx Dec 2017 #21
I would hope the lawyer was smart enough to insist on cash before lunging onto that sword. nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #24
diamonds would be preferable, his cash is about to go under examination. grantcart Dec 2017 #25
Raise your hands MFM008 Dec 2017 #26
"Baghdad Kelley Anne Bob" just said "me, me me" grantcart Dec 2017 #27
my bet, the only thing the lawyer had to do with twitter, is to tell the Motley13 Dec 2017 #29

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
2. They are still adding people to the conspiracy. The chain of obstruction is still active.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:40 PM
Dec 2017

We have to wait until they stop breaking the law until we know who to go after, lol.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
9. Republicans will not impeach one of their own.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

They’ve been quiet about *everything* he’s done and said to date, enabling him as they go.

Even though 45 is a very sick man, Republicans (who’ve proven time and again how extremely partisan they are, by putting party before country) are not going to do the right thing at this late date.

Where there’s hope: 1) Democrats gain the Senate in 2018, to at least hold the line; 2) Trump’s illness explodes, and he’s turned out to pasture for health reasons (hopefully before a “Dr. Strangelove”-type scenario unfolds).

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
4. How many people are authorized to pretend to be the president? Public has a right to know.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029919055

The best way to assure all Trump's tweeting will be by his attorney:

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
12. Maybe they will grant Trump one huge concession ....
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:26 PM
Dec 2017

He can have his gold toilet moved from Fifth Ave. to his cell

jalan48

(13,852 posts)
6. An interesting legal strategy by Trump.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

He can claim some statements made on his Twitter account may not necessarily be by him. How can this be verified? How will the Court's rule in the case of obstruction?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. It's a question of fact that a jury decides
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

And it's not the only or even the main fact the jury will have to look at. The main thing they are going to look is all the things Trump did to protect Flynn and derail Comey, and all the things he said about it . When you look at it that way, a clear pattern emerges.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
7. What a great choice of excuses!
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:53 PM
Dec 2017

Either my client flamed out and publicly confessed to obstruction of justice or I'm the stupidest lawyer on the planet and admitted it for him. But, I really didn't admit it for him, I'm just so sloppy in my work that I mistakenly tweeted something in his name that admitted it for him. I didn't mean it. It was all a terrible mistake. It's almost too stupid to be true.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
14. I believe the lawyer really did write it
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:08 PM
Dec 2017

It’s not incoherent, nor does it call for building a wall or impeaching Clinton.

It also writes the narrative they’re pushing. “Totally exonerates Trump! He found out Flynn lied to the FBI, so he fired him. Then he told Comey that his firing and shame were punishment enough for such minor crimes, and could Comey please show some mercy for a war hero?”

Not a bad smokescreen for a defense. It all makes total sense, since that line of bullshit is taken totally out of the context of other events.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. it doesn't work to help Trump
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:26 PM
Dec 2017

Doesn't matter who "drafted it" Trump typed it and sent it out at 6 in the morning.

No competent attorney is going to be telling their client to tweet out anything about an on going investigation with the FBI, they are going to say "use your right to say nothing".

All this does is give the FBI more people to talk to. They can now bring the attorney in and Scavino and if they lie they will be in trouble and if they truthfully confirm that Trump sent the tweet then they will have established that not only was Trump involved in the obstruction but that he continued it even further.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
19. Competent being the key word
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:32 PM
Dec 2017

I suspect that they’re doing their absolute best with what’s probably the world’s most difficult client. We also don’t know when it was written, just sent, and we don’t know who actually wrote it. Plus, the reports said the first dozen attorneys Trump approached turned him down.

They can’t stop him from tweeting. Perhaps they’re trying to mitigate the potential damage. That’s not the worst strategy, either. The guy managed to win the electoral college based largely on his role as The Shitlord King of Twitter. Like it or not, a large part of highly visible cases is trying things in the court of public opinion and in the media.

These cases in particular more than most. Impeachment is an inherently political act, as the inevitable pardons will be. If the Mango Mussolini’s team can muddy the water enough, that might help provide the political coverage he needs.

Even from a purely courtroom perspective, the most successful defenses are those that can create a smokescreen, just completely confuse the facts so much that anyone so inclined will think “not guilty.”

From what I’ve seen, on Twitter, “his” explanation of this morning’s tweet is catching on. Roughly “I fired Flynn because I knew he lied to the FBI, and I asked Comey not to prosecute because a career patriot being professionally ruined was punishment enough.”

If you step back and forget that we know more details than most average citizens, that’s actually a fairly reasonable, believable explanation. And that’s how the GOP works, isn’t it? By playing the ignorant.

WE know that there are a dozen questions that blow up Trump’s rationalization. Why didn’t you fire him when you found out he’d committed multiple felonies? If you were just trying to protect the FBI, why did you fire the head of the FBI? How come you kept trying to protect Flynn until just a week before he pled guilty? Why would you hire a disgraced former general when you were specifically warned about him by Obama, Congress, the CIA, the NSA, and even Chris fucking Christie?

Of course it’s ridiculous bullshit. But that’s what it’s supposed to be.

They’re all guilty as sin and they know damn well they’ve got no legal legs to stand on. So getting “the people” and the media either on their side or just confused is their best shot.

janx

(24,128 posts)
20. It's even worse:
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:43 PM
Dec 2017
Dowd told NBC News that he drafted the tweet and then sent it to White House Social Media Director Dan Scavino to publish. When asked for the original email he sent to Scavino, Dowd said he dictated it orally.


edit: forgot link

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-lawyer-claims-responsibility-trump-s-problematic-tweet-n826036

janx

(24,128 posts)
21. Yes he did. His lawyer made a suggestion,
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:44 PM
Dec 2017

and Trump typed what he thought the lawyer wanted him to say.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
29. my bet, the only thing the lawyer had to do with twitter, is to tell the
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:12 PM
Dec 2017

moron to stay the hell off.


Now the moron has 280 characters to incriminate himself.

keep tweeting , imbecile

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