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The wilderness of Roman pain that Donald Trump & Co (and all his staff are insane) have inflicted upon the United States and civilized humanity around the globe appears to be coming to an end. This is, of course, a good thing. Yet, there are some risks associated with it. An obvious one is a constitutaional crisis. But there are others that we should consider.
I've noted before that when a empire is suffering from internal decay and externally over-reach of military power, it creates fertile ground for the rise of a psychopathic leader. That leader tends to surround himself with two types of individuals: first, those who are corrupt, and have experience stealing from the system, and second, military leaders who have rigid personality structures, with an emphasis on obedience to authority. Sound familiar?
This week's news on the Mueller Team's investigation of the Trump-Russian scandal shows that parts of the campaign-administration's internal structure is crumbling. This is no surprise, considering the foundation that Trump's rise was built upon was corrupt to its core, aided by the Russian intelligence-mob, and supported primarily by white nationalism. In their minds, once Trump took office, he could do anything, thus protecting the criminal behavior of his team.
Trump, being a shallow man, has relied upon the most basic tactics of dictators: create an environment seeped in fear. He pointed to dangers that threatened his followers, both domestically and internationally. He appeals to the most ignorant and base instincts of the 30% ..for all tyrants know that if you can focus the group's hatred of others, they will gladly forget their own low level of being. Trump went so far as to identify Nazi marchers as pretty good people, encouraging the mob-think that defines his grass roots followers.
However, the Trump administration has faced some unexpected opposition. And while part of this is found in the Democrats serving in the House and Senate, there are numerous other groups. The federal courts have largely put him in check per immigration. A coordinated effort by members of the intelligence community, both active and retired, delivered a series of leaks that the White House could not stop. And an intensely talented media thanks to journalists on tv and in print has stepped up to the highest level in decades.
Thus, we have Mr. Mueller leading an investigation that threatens Trump's presidency. Trump isn't just under a cloud any more. There's a storm doing serious damage. And due to that storm, a number of those from his campaign and administration are recognizing the damage that being loyal to Trump who is loyal to no one can bring about. They know that Trump, much like Nixon, believes it is everyone else's moral obligation to take the blame for him. We already see the results of one of the three identified on Monday not sacrificing himself. We'll soon see more.
However, judging from history, this makes the upcoming time potentially dangerous. When Trump sees Putin, he sees himself ruling America in much the same way. He and his supporters will try to create a domestic or international state of emergency. In fact, many of his ilk are already attempting to do just that inside our country. They are feeding the rag of the mob with lies, including their nonsense about the dire need to investigate Hillary Clinton.
What we need to be doing is calmly focusing on that which is important. That includes preparing for the most important mid-term elections of our lifetimes. And we need to help the Mueller investigation and prosecutions in the public's eye. And we need to make the old civil rights saying our mantra: Keep your eyes on the prize.
I've read a bit of the discussions on the DNC in 2016. That isn't our prize. Arguing about it is a grand example of how to waste energy and divide people. It doesn't matter if you liked or disliked the DNC in 2016. We have more important issues to deal with. And, as we all know, there are unresolved issues that a segment of the Democratic Party holds on to. Yet, we need to ask ourselves, isn't it worth letting go of those, at least right now? Is there really a justification for the level of selfishness required to cling on to it?
We need to bring forth our best efforts. Our constitutional democracy imperfect and battered as it is actually does depend upon just that. The opposition, from the lowliest KKK member to the one in the White House, are definitely putting forth their absolute worst efforts. Let's kick their asses.
Peace,
H2O Man
Blecht
(3,803 posts)I hope people here heed your advice.
lapfog_1
(29,191 posts)The dictators have a third group of people... the cultists... these are the true believers in the huckster. True cult followers, they check all of whatever sanity they may have once had to follow "Dear Leader" over the abyss.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Thank you!
Hekate
(90,556 posts)🙏🏻
FirstLight
(13,355 posts)I agree and also suggest we continue to watch as they each unravel... it's gonna be a bumpy ride, but worth it!
I've personally avoided the DNC discussions because I wanna focus on the next steps as well... It's about "Making America SANE Again"and makingsure the rights we have are expanded, not decimated.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I am enjoying watching the House and Senate hearings, though I wish that more were being televised. I'm seeing several Democrats stepping up into leadership roles in our party. And I believe that is the type of thing we should be focusing upon. It provides a vehicle to expand the party.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,523 posts)I so agree with all your premises.
I am very ready for giving some well-aimed ass kicks!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I'm working on three area election contests that will be decided next Tuesday. Not one would benefit from arguing about 2016. Rather, they feature good, solid Democrats challenging republicans in towns where republicans are in the majority, followed by independents, and then Democrats. I think that we could win all three, though in in particular has become tougher in the past couple of weeks.
From the grass roots to the national level, we need to be fighting the Good Fight, not stupid fights.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)spanone
(135,791 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)and that your methods are unsound. I don't see any method". The moron certainly resembles Kurtz. He must be stopped. 2018 is our chance and we had better not screw it up since there is too much to loose.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)It will be interesting to see if any more indictments are unsealed while Trump is in Asia.
edbermac
(15,933 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Thank you for that.
hay rick
(7,587 posts)Exactly my reaction to the DNC in 2016 (or 2017) "concerns" and any and all ongoing discussions of Bernie/Hillary conflict past and future. Well stated.
We can't afford to argue about how to redecorate our house when it is engulfed in flames. It's important to evaluate and improve our party, but right now we all need to be working to save our democracy. As Donald Rumsfeld said in a rare moment of clarity..."You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Thank you.
SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)I think what we need to guard most vigilantly against is the division they're trying - once again - to sow within the Democratic ranks.
Every week or so there's a supposed new Democratic "scandal" that attempts to divide Democrats into warring factions. It's been well demonstrated in the past few days, and each time I see some facet of the Democratic Party receding further away because of it.
We can't afford to let the battles of the past dictate what will be a very real war for the heart and soul of our country. Trump and the Russians will try even harder to divide us again. We can't allow that to happen. We must learn from the past, but not dwell within it. For if we do we will have to deal with fascism on a scale from which we might never recover. It's hovering over our heads at this very moment. I can sense it, and I'm certain everyone else here in the trenches can sense it as well.
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. Let's kick some GOP butt!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Their attempts to distract and divide deserve but seven words in response: "Get that weak shit out of here."
grantcart
(53,061 posts)and exhausting for both the patient and the doctors.
The DNC is not a leadership institution but more of a clerical clearing house with marginal relevance in making sure that the rules of process are being observed. The Democratic Party is lead by the disparate leaders that hold elective office and get things done in the real world. Right now the most powerful Democratic politician is Governor Jerry Brown that is pushing California to move to counter act Trumps increasing war on the environment and multilateralism.
We are in that twilight between two epochs and strangely reminiscent of the events 100 years ago in Russia during the Russian Provisional Government. Bannon of course has appointed himself as Lenin. Trump is the decaying old order that sees itself in Monarchical terms, embraces any war it can get its army into, lavishes gaudy commercial entrails onto itself as a way of proclaiming itself blessed by deity (who apparently has consistently very poor taste in Its appointees).
What was it that destroyed the Russian Provisional Government on November 7th in 1917? An endless series of irrelevant internal criticisms that reduced poor Kerensky so that a small group of committed irrational revolutionaries could out last the repulsion of the entire country and bring in a reign of terror for 8 decades.
We should be careful of the diagnosis of this terminal illness and its final stage. In this century the year ending in '17 finds the chief occupant to be crazy in a Rasputin sort of way and we need to be sure to finish his career off completely or like the original Rasputin Trump will come back again, and again and again.
Should our petty and idiotic squabbles rip us apart then the American Rasputin will dismantle this vessel of state that almost a million have laid down their lives to keep going under a lamp of liberty and reason.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Thank you for this. Much appreciated. It reminds me of what we can use DU to, for our benefit. There are individuals on the forum that have a grasp of the overlapping roles that include history, political science, sociology, and psychology (among other things). More, they are able to communicate those lessons in a manner that every sincere person can understand. Such discussions are not always going to result on everyone seeing eye to eye. But they will always be superior to "arguments" about the DNC.
Your post brings to mind a topic that I think might be interesting for my next OP.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)hoping we manage to do that.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)All my ballot has on it is "Advisory" votes for legislature decisions, almost zero information on them available from what I can find, the Tacoma News Tribune says that our votes aren't binding whatsoever.
That and local school district, fire, port and library measures are all I get to vote on at this time ( November 7th 2017 ).
I wish it was 2018 already and I was voting where it will make a REAL difference, the mid-terms.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)to finally undo the state senate coup and get it back in real Democratic control.
Here's more about the key race:
http://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/08/23/25368212/meet-manka-dhingra-the-eastside-democrat-who-could-end-republican-control-of-the-state-senate
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)That would be so flippin cool to have her flip us back to blue and make some deplorables look for work elsewhere.
I have my fingers crossed.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I hope that Washington voters make the correct decisions! Keep on fighting the Good Fight!
suffragette
(12,232 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)ColoradoBlue
(104 posts)Arguing about it is a grand example of how to waste energy and divide people. It doesn't matter if you liked or disliked the DNC in 2016. We have more important issues to deal with. And, as we all know, there are unresolved issues that a segment of the Democratic Party holds on to. Yet, we need to ask ourselves, isn't it worth letting go of those, at least right now? Is there really a justification for the level of selfishness required to cling on to it?
ALL this. No matter what anyone thinks of the DNC in 2016, that's really just "politics as usual." What we are facing with the Trump administration is a very real threat to our democracy. We need to stay focused on that.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Focus.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Iggo
(47,534 posts)Stay focused.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And I truly don't give a shit about any of that now.
We as a party, a nation, and a planet, face the most serious existential threat in 65 million years, the worst since the dinosaur-killer asteroid (which is a fair approximation of the power of the world's nuclear arsenals).
Let's get over 2016.
Let's get to work on destroying the Trump threat.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I had strong feelings, too. But, as you say, they aren't important now. I'm assisting on a few local campaigns that will be decided next Tuesday. I support the Democratic candidates, and thus am interacting with other party members involved in the campaigns, as well as in the general public. The topic of 2016 never comes up.
gordianot
(15,233 posts)Only eight years ago it was hard to imagine that something worse than George W Bush could emerge someday. The seeds of our destruction are out there.
I don't think the idea even enters most people's minds. But, for those of us who have been fighting the tide (be it against a Bush, Reagan, or Nixon), it's like a bad dream.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)if we want to go forward. The stakes are high! K & R!!!!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Thank you!
kentuck
(111,052 posts)excellent synopsis!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)malaise
(268,694 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)Focus time, energy and resources on what is in front of us. Anything else is a distraction and playing into the slimy hands of the RW.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,012 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,012 posts)Recently there have been so many threads with subjects hostile to religion, particularly the one I confess - Christianity, that, feeling decidedly unwelcome on this site, I now stay logged off unless I really want to comment on something. Yours was one.
Peace, mon ami.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Trump is an overtly disgusting individual and a joke. Pence in my view is even scarier because of his semblance of sanity. Paul Ryan, next in line, is even scarier. So you are absolutely correct, the mid-terms are essential to keep these nut-jobs in check.
AllaN01Bear
(17,987 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,559 posts)Is there something wrong with me? Am I a miscreant to be enjoying the gradual (and I hope THOROUGH) undoing of a truly awful "administration?" I would worry about that, did I not seem to be in such excellent company.
The Doors were a great touch, too. Jim M was one of the best poets of his generation, IMO.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)whose denizens are coming to realize what horrors they've help inflict on the beloved nation. Even my neighbors (who still had Trump signs up until last week) are freaking out.
Finally.
Excellent post H2O Man. Saved.
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Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)Sensitive soul
(71 posts)I know you won't see this because it's past when you posted it but I just wanted to say that at this point there is no reason for us to get into any kind of contest about the DNC. Right now it would just be a distraction. But I think there is some truth to what happen when Bernie and Hillary were running against each other and if that were to be the case again then we can address that. Love your posts yes.