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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:23 PM Aug 2017

The Weight of Our Generation

“The traditions of all dead generations weigh like a nightmare on the minds of the living.”
Karl Marx


Yesterday I recognized that Trump was occupying too much room in my thinking. I thought I could get benefit from a Thoreau period at the pond. Easier said than done! On my walk, I encountered my son, who was busy with a new ax, chopping up an enormous tree that recently fell. Chopping wood is, of course, a valuable task for a boxer to engage in to increase punching-power in the boxing ring. I made my usual attempt at humor, noting that I could charge young boxers for the opportunity to train here.

Then he asked me – very seriously – what I thought about Trump's threatening North Korea?

Later in the evening, when my daughter arrived home, she said that she had been listening to the news on her drive. She, too, was concerned about Trump's idiotic threats.

I am old enough to have lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis – although like most Americans, I was unaware of just how close we came to war. Thank goodness JFK was president, for surely the two before and most after him would not have resolved it peacefully.

I also either got under my desk, or went into school's hallway, during “civil defense drills.” I was too young to understand that in 1953, the Saturday Evening Post did a feature story on our little community, noting it was “the town we can't do without.” A defense industry that had been opened after WW1 was credited for its essential role in WW2. It also made the village a top-eight target in WW2, and certainly remained a target when I attended school.

Trump would be in his glory if he thought he could create the same level of fear from that bygone era. It's important that we not allow that. Not to say that Americans should be any less concerned with Trump than is the human family around the globe. He is a dangerous fellow: he wants to take health care away from millions of others, simply because he resents President Obama for delivering it.

Recently, when General Kelly became Trump's chief of staff, people hoped Kelly could bring some stability to the White House. Time has indicated that Trump remains spiraling out of control. I think it is as if a social worker was tasked with working with a dysfunctional (fucked-up) family daily. As long as Old Dad continues to be abusive – especially at night, when the social worker wasn't around – and tried to bully and abuse family and neighbors, as well as the entire community, that family is going to remain sick. Dad will continue to remain the source of problems in their neighborhood and community.

Imagine if Dad was the social worker's boss, and it's obvious that Dad simply wants to use him to intimidate others.

Now, imagine that some local police and the prosecutor were investigating Old Dad for criminal activities. As citizens in the neighborhood, we should be doing our best to send Old Dad to jail. We should recognize that as our civic duty, and our duty to the (world) community. And that is especially true if the old shithead starts raising his voice, and threatening anyone and everyone, and insisting that the police and prosecutor stop bugging him. It's good to be aware of how potentially dangerous he absolutely is – thus, the need to restrain him on his way to his cell.

What's taking place between Trump and his clone in North Korea isn't good, obviously. And it's not only Trump that is the problem. I'm reminded of the threats of Iraqi's WMDs – the mushroom clouds and other nonsense – from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice. There's too much of an effort being made by the media and others in the military-industrial complex to make it look like the Cuban Missile Crisis. Obviously, I'd much prefer that jackass in North Korea not pursue nuclear weapon capabilities. Just like I wish the jackass Trump had no say in the potential use of such weapons.

My son, keeping a very straight face, said, “Sorry, Old Man. But Trump will bring about the end of the world in September. Nothing we can do about it.” Dark humor sometimes helps.

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The Weight of Our Generation (Original Post) H2O Man Aug 2017 OP
A breath of fresh air coeur_de_lion Aug 2017 #1
Mr. Mueller was H2O Man Aug 2017 #2
Beautiful...thank you for sharing. Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2017 #4
Everyone needs a dandelion break now and then. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2017 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2017 #6
I listened to several news reports yesterday Beringia Aug 2017 #7
Bannon, H2O Man Aug 2017 #11
But like the Bush regime, we didn't really choose this. sandensea Aug 2017 #8
Definitely. H2O Man Aug 2017 #12
You... Liberal Jesus Freak Aug 2017 #9
Well, thank you! H2O Man Aug 2017 #13
Trump waves nukes around like a rich kid showing off his expensive toys. hay rick Aug 2017 #10
Very well said! H2O Man Aug 2017 #14
I was nine years old canetoad Aug 2017 #15

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
1. A breath of fresh air
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

in an otherwise dreary day. Thank you H. Reading your essays always cheers me up.

I am not that concerned about DT's threats to Korea because I have faith that wiser heads will prevail in Washington DC. I am however mighty sick of his constant tweeting to grab headlines -- I know full well that is what this is really about. I believe he no more has plans to nuke Korea than I do to start voting Republican. Its just a grab for attention.

I read somewhere today that Trump is saying he is on good terms behind the scenes with Robert Mueller. Naturally I don't believe that either.

I'm so desperate for the noise and attention grabbing to stop that I would welcome a president Pence.

But for now I'll settle for taking a break as you did, and finding some peace in my little corner of the world.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
2. Mr. Mueller was
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:59 PM
Aug 2017

interviewed for the FBI director's position, after Trump fired Mr. Comey. I believe it was the day before Mr. Mueller was tasked with the current investigation. That upset poor Donald.

Currently, Attorney Cobb is advising Trump not to be hostile publicly about Mueller. It won't last 72 hours. As the White House (Bannon, etc) continue to attack Mueller, Trump will try to out-do them.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
3. Beautiful...thank you for sharing.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 07:00 PM
Aug 2017

I think we could all use to time to, like Thoreau, live in the woods, even if metaphorical. I truly enjoyed your calming and reasoned post!

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
4. Thank you.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 07:03 PM
Aug 2017

Today, I focused on feeding the many animals around here, wild and tame, and playing with my dogs. My daughter and her cousin are going to cook our evening meal out at a camp fire. And in the late night hours, I'll catch up on the news.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
7. I listened to several news reports yesterday
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 08:29 PM
Aug 2017

And the consensus was that usually the United States responds to North Korea with calm and reassurance, not escalation. And that Trump was undermining the statements and diplomacy of Sec of State Tillerman. I just think Trump is not capable of diplomacy unless someone is telling him what to say. I wonder who came up with the Fire and Fury statement, because it sounded too intelligent for Trump.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
11. Bannon,
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:02 PM
Aug 2017

from what I've heard, was the genius behind that. It ranks low among the very stupidest things any president has ever said, in public or private.

I agree 100%. Trump lacks the ability to negotiate with friend or foe.

sandensea

(21,625 posts)
8. But like the Bush regime, we didn't really choose this.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 08:46 PM
Aug 2017

It was chosen for us - in 2000 by Fat Tony Scaliar and the other 4 Republicans on the Court, and in 2016 by this clever fellow:

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
12. Definitely.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:47 PM
Aug 2017

I think our constitutional democracy will heal, not because of Trump etc, but in spite of him/them.

Liberal Jesus Freak

(1,451 posts)
9. You...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 08:52 PM
Aug 2017

...are the best at putting things into perspective. Thank you

So glad my response to you was my 1,000th post. You're THAT special

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
13. Well, thank you!
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:50 PM
Aug 2017

You are very kind!

I'm getting ready to turn on the news now. I think the media has taken it to another level, in trerms of some outstanding journalists who recognize (and report) what a creep Trump is.

hay rick

(7,607 posts)
10. Trump waves nukes around like a rich kid showing off his expensive toys.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:01 PM
Aug 2017

I also spend too much time thinking about Trump. Recently I have been thinking about the fact that our democratic system and the citizens of this country allowed his candidacy and his election. The first essential truth I see is that our democracy and our society failed. This leaves us with two tasks. First, we must try to limit the damage that Trump can do to the country and the world. Secondly, we need to make changes to our society and institutions to avoid repeating this kind of mistake. If we are unable to restore a functional democracy I fear the majority of Americans will tolerate an authoritarian alternative- it's the "easy out."

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
14. Very well said!
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:55 PM
Aug 2017

If our society wasn't damaged with dysfunction, Trump wouldn't have been taken seriously as a candidate. No healthy society would ever consider him anything but a buffoon. But the systematic damage done in my lifetime allowed for us to go from a crook like Nixon, to a horrible person like Reagan, to Bush 1 and 2, to Trump. And that is dangerous.

Too many people take democracy for granted. It is constant struggle.

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
15. I was nine years old
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 10:15 PM
Aug 2017

During the Cuban Missile Crisis. At the time, we lived in a small town in the Midlands of England. Although young, I knew what was going on; the Atomic Bomb was never far from anyone's thoughts.

One dark evening the street was lit up with a sudden blinding flash and loud crackling sound. Everyone poured from their houses into the street, sure that the end of the world had come. The Bomb had been dropped.

It turned out that ice had accumulated on power lines which had snapped and come down. Oh well, just another nuclear scare.

I've often pondered the fact that my parents, both born in the early 30s were among the last generation to live, at least part of their lives before the spectre of atomic warfare hung over our heads.

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