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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:12 PM Jul 2017

Price reveals Trump's likely next move, destroying the ACA by sabotage

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-price-waiving-individual-mandate_us_597df94de4b02a4ebb760112?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009



“All things are on the table to try to help patients,” Price told Martha Raddatz on ABC’s “This Week.”

Price, who President Donald Trump jokingly suggested last week he would fire if efforts to repeal the act failed, claimed that the mandate was contributing to higher health care costs.


“The individual mandate is actually one of those things that is driving up the cost for the American people in terms of coverage,” Price said. The mandate may result in higher individual costs for Americans who previously went without health insurance or purchased bare-bones plans eliminated by the Affordable Care Act ― commonly known as Obamacare.


But it also almost certainly functions as a check on overall costs for people who get their coverage on Obamacare’s individual insurance exchanges by bringing healthy people into the risk pool. Eliminating the mandate unilaterally is liable to create chaos in the individual exchanges as insurers scramble to offset the departure of healthy enrollees.


That’s why the insurance industry trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans wrote a letter to Congress opposing the so-called “skinny” repeal bill that the Senate rejected early Friday morning. The legislation would have abolished the individual mandate and the rule requiring large employers to offer their employees coverage. “Eliminating the individual coverage requirement by itself will likely result in fewer people covered and a deterioration of the risk pool, which will increase premiums,” AHIP wrote.

Significant evidence exists that one of the problems facing Obamacare is that the fine for violating the individual mandate is too modest to encourage enrollment, leading to a disproportionate ratio of sicker Americans in the exchanges. Insurers have responded by driving up premiums to offset the costs of coverage and withdrawing from some high-cost areas.



By taking out the mandate people would wait to purchase insurance only when they are sick, driving premiums up and having even fewer people in the pool. This kind of "adverse legislative selection" which requires insurance companies to cover everyone, regardless of pre existing conditions, but doesn't require universal participation would lead to a collapse of the markets as insurance would get increasingly expensive for smaller pools with an increasingly sickening census, called a "death spiral".






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RDANGELO

(3,432 posts)
1. That will definitely lose them the house and maybe the senate.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:29 PM
Jul 2017

Trump is too out of touch with reality to comprehend that the Republicans now own health care. They are participating in a debate that they have already lost. What they need is a plan that actually helps people.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
2. Yeah
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jul 2017

I wonder if they think they can win with only voters who are healthy and only have healthy families and friends?

global1

(25,219 posts)
10. The Dems Need To Come Out In Force & Detail How...
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jul 2017

the Repugs sabotaged ACA from the beginning and point out when they & Trump use sabotage now to finish it off. The Dems need to make sure the American People know that Trump and the Repugs now own anything going forward in healthcare as it tanks.

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
12. That will definitely lose them the house and maybe the senate.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 12:32 AM
Jul 2017

That's IF Dems etc. get out to VOTE.

Even more importantly, that's IF our votes count and we aren't GOP voter-suppressed on 'roids this next time around or aren't ruskie meddled with/cyber-hacked as well in 2018 and 2020.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
3. I think more people are becoming aware that removing the risk corridor is the real reason the
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jul 2017

premiums are increasing. And for that we can thank little Marco Rubio.
I think the Democrats should zero in on that and call them out on it at every opportunity.

better

(884 posts)
15. I have a pithy talking point relating to exactly this...
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 12:03 PM
Jul 2017

The exchanges are not crumbling because the ACA is fundamentally flawed.
They are crumbling because the ACA was sabotaged by fundamentalists.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
4. Margins in Wisconsin and Michigan were small
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:46 PM
Jul 2017

Spiking hundreds of thousands by killing the individual health insurance markets will very likely throw those states back to the Democrats. So I think it's a bluff. But it's possible they're just industrial strength morons.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
6. Not gonna happen in WI. I can't speak for MI, OH, PA, but Wisconsin
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jul 2017

is a locked-down red state. Walker won here easily, three times. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
13. "Not gonna happen in WI. I can't speak for MI, OH, PA, but Wisconsin."
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 01:49 AM
Jul 2017

Yeah, I hear you.

I'm NOT seeing WI. going Dem in 2018 or for the foreseeable future unfortunately. Walker, the Kochs and the thuglicans in general have that state all sewn up and RED (Voter-suppressed, voter ID'd, voter-crosschecked etc.). SAME probably applies to MI., PA., and Florida. NC has a chance to go purple, and who knows what in hell has been happening to Dems in Florida since 2000 & Ohio since 2004?

thuglicans control every element of vote collecting and tallying all across this country. Like they want to give that up anytime soon if ever? They want a permanent thuglican majority running this country forever and into the ground and preserving it mostly for rich & privileged white males like themselves.


Cicada

(4,533 posts)
14. Wisconsin margin 2016 was Trump by one percent
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 04:38 AM
Jul 2017

Some older redder folks die, replaced by younger bluer people. The percentage Hispanic will grow by one half of one percent or so. And those with 20% hikes in health insurance premiums will blame Trump in some cases. And Trump has 3 more years to screw things up.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. What a nasty piece of work!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jul 2017

He'll destroy people's lives just out of spite and vindictiveness. I can't even say what I wish that man's fate to be.

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
18. Some insurance companies are suing the US Government
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jul 2017

They've lost money in some states because of ACA higher risks/costs than originally estimated. I think we should see what's the outcome of those lawsuits, because it may pave the way towards fixing the problem in every state. Hopefully those lawyers know what they're doing and bring in a strong case.



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