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H2O Man

(73,321 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:05 PM Sep 2015

Serve Yourself

“It's still the same old story.
A Holy, bloody, War, you know, with the Pope and all that stuff.
A fight for love and glory.
Ain't gonna study no more war.
A fight for God and country, and the Queen, and all that.
We're gonna set you free;
Bomb you back into the fuckin' Stone Age
If you won't be like me, you know, get down on your knees and pray.
Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew…”
-- John Lennon; Serve Yourself


I’d like to take this opportunity to talk about the relationship between politics and religion. This combination adds up to a large segment of any culture’s level of being, and helps define the level of social justice found within. The opinions are, of course, my own, and for sake of discussion, I welcome comments from those who disagree or agree, alike.

The reason that I am writing this is because of curious case of Kim Davis, which is currently in the news. I would prefer the media focus more upon the victims of Ms. Davis’s crude behavior, or even legal scholars who can inform the public on the power of Constitutional Law, or historians capable of pairing her with the southern racists who defied the law in efforts to deny black citizens their rights. However, I recognize the coverage of the case, as it is, as being more important than the coverage of the republican primary. And I was mighty pleased when the judge opted to incarcerate Ms. Davis.

Discussions about the role of religion, spirituality, and ethics can be difficult in the context of American society. Older forum members like myself will recall the fuss in the US when John Lennon made an insightful comment on the current cultural values per “Beatle-mania,” and accurately described Jesus’s followers as “thick and ordinary.” That is an apt description of Ms. Davis’s insensitive and cruel belief system, if one thinks she is sincere.

Let’s consider what is too often overlooked when the religious tradition known as Christianity mixes with our society. There are as many sub-types of Christianity as there are leaves on a tree, but for this discussion, we’ll focus on but two. The first, and perhaps better known, view the historical figure of Jesus as separate from humanity, and believe he set down a strict set of rules that “believers” must follow, in order to obtain a reward in the afterlife. This Jesus is the Son of the one true God, a god who always resembles the projections of a patriarchal society -- often angry, mean, and ready to punish wrong-doers.

The second type view the historical Jesus as fully human, and as bringing a collection of guidelines that assist in one’s spiritual/ ethical development, in order to obtain a higher level of consciousness here and now. This is the same general set of guidelines that, as Erich Fromm pointed out, other enlightened historical figures, in diverse places, at different times, taught.

Ms. Davis obviously belongs to the first group, which is her right as defined by Amendment 1 of the Constitution. Yet, even within this rather rigid set of rules, she violates Jesus’s “command” to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. As a government worker, she is bound to follow the rules. Indeed, she swore an oath to do just that.

As most rational people can see, she always had the option of resigning, if she was sorely offended by her job duties. Instead, she is seeking to gain an “earthly reward” of financial gain, by playing a role designed by the money-changers of the religious right. And she is willing to trample the human rights of citizens who are equally entitled to the protections of the law -- and more, are surely more ethical, spiritual, and/or religious as her.

I am not all about punishment. That’s not why I favor her being incarcerated. I do believe in consequences. Recently, my dog Samuel ate off of my plate, when I had my back turned briefly. I am convinced that Sam is both kinder and more insightful a being than Ms. Davis. Hence, I scolded him. I didn’t enjoy doing so, but there needs to be consequences. For the only legitimate purpose of discipline is to instill self-discipline. Thus, for the 45 seconds following Sam’s “sin,” he likely saw me as something akin to the god of the Old Testicle.

It would be wonderful if Ms. Davis -- against her will -- had a moment of enlightenment while incarcerated. I hope she has a transformational experience, where she can actual grasp how hideous and truly obscene her behaviors have been. But I won’t hold my breath, for in breathing, we participate in the miracle of life that is one with the universe.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Serve Yourself (Original Post) H2O Man Sep 2015 OP
............ H2O Man Sep 2015 #1
K&R! Very well said, as usual, H2O Man. Thanks for posting, I always look forward to them. N/T Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2015 #3
My pleasure, and thank you, too. Here's a kick back to the top... n/t Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #5
Version #2 of Jesus would be the norm today but it was co-opted by the 1% millennia after millennia. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #4
Kicking for the West Coasters... n/t Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #6
And yet Jesus seems nowhere to be found in government. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #7

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
7. And yet Jesus seems nowhere to be found in government.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:07 AM
Sep 2015

When it comes to clothing, feeding, housing and putting first, at all times, the least among us. Only Old Testament fire and brimstone.

If one is only forgiven for sin as one forgives others sins against them, well, I'd say most Christians are in for a rude shock.

Always found the Caeser line oddly out of place as applied to government service. If one is forced to use currency issued by a government, one must forfeit that currency when asked for it. Indeed, one should be more than glad to be rid of it. It has their faces on it.
But as for service unto Caeser? By all accounts he wasn't the swellest of fellows. One may as well say render unto Hitler and carry out his works.
All it means. IMHO, is give them the gold, keep calm and carry on. Don't stand out and you won't get nailed.

I've always found the relationship between JC and his dad to be the typical conservative father with a liberal son scenario. The enlightened child will always rebel against conservative rule. Like Archie Bunker and his daughter. To some we are each beings of starlight, to others, simply meatheads.





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