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OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:46 PM May 2015

FINALLY, I'm following up - (edit: final update)

Last edited Sun May 17, 2015, 08:04 AM - Edit history (14)

SUNDAY MORNING update:

Well, this way of funding relaunch/expansion doesn't look promising, so it's onward to explore other avenues. I'd rather go where there is plenty of money and make it trickle down, rather than appeal to the average person, anyway. I'm going to focus on retooling/rebranding for more cohesion among the various projects/divisions. When I get things going again, I will definitely post here at DU and specifically reach out to those who have expressed interest recently, to let you know things are up and running again.

Thank you!





Saturday morning update: I also shared this on FB, but that's the only other place, as I'm trying to gauge interest within my closest networks first. Thus far, either not enough people have seen the post or there is no interest amongst those with resources to help raise significant funds. About $3000 is what the survey results show.

What I am proposing (for those who want this condensed) is restructuring Wishadoo! (a Community Good Social network, which has proof of concept having been in use for 8 years) as a member-owned cooperative, similar to NON-PARTISAN mutual aid societies of old (though more diverse), which not only connects those who need help to those who can help, and so much more, but also creates jobs.

What I'm specifically asking here, and only of those for whom $150 is not a huge sum, is would you be interested in helping to finance the seed funding so I can hire help in order to relaunch and expand?

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CCRCXV9


IMPORTANT: If you don't mind, I'm a little paranoid about CC people chiming in on the survey to mislead me. They always read this stuff. If you can send me a message here if you are interested in contributing, so I know it's a legit survey vote, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

EDIT TO ADD:

I. If you have any suggestions re: this seed funding (keeping in mind that I've already explored impact investing and foundations, as I discuss below) -- such as companies which may want to be involved or philanthropic peeps you may know -- I'm all ears.

II. If you are not familiar with me, all I can suggest is that you read either my journal here at DU or my most recent post here, or take time to read this in its entirety. My work is not "new"; the platform I created worked so well that I became overwhelmed, and I'm now trying to raise funds to hire help and relaunch and expand. Many DUers are very familiar with me and Wishadoo!; my apologies that I don't have the time or energy at this moment to prove myself to those who don't know me.

I can tell you I was dissed by Glenn Beck on his Fox Show a few years ago, so there's that.

* * *

I just spent 30 minutes composing this, and it went *poof* when I hit "post my thread". Ugh.

I can't recreate all that content and the links due to time constraints, so I'm asking you to please indulge me by reading my initial post to which this is a followup:

You know the pleas for help which create such tension here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026630196


I finally composed a followup, since so many did express an interest in wanting to help me move forward and help fund the creation of several initial part-time positions, though I see much more job creation in the future; I just need the core team in order to move ahead.

The key people who have helped me all these years and who "get" what Our Community Good is all about happen to be DUers, hence my recent post asking about interest in helping provide jobs to DUers (and others). I'm initially focused on providing supplemental income to those on SS, SSDI, who are homebound caregivers, and to those who are in purgatory, having applied for SSDI but haven't yet been approved. The three DUers I would like to offer these initial core positions to are in those groups.

The blog post at the following link gives background to what I've created over the last 9 years. Many DUers are familiar with Wishadoo!, but that is only one division, and the work done here at DU is a fraction of the work that has been done over this time. I'm sure you can imagine how it became overwhelming for me.

http://communitygood.blogspot.com/2015/05/introducing-our-community-good.html


Below I've pasted the end of the blog, which deals specifically with what I need in moving forward.

I would REALLY appreciate feedback. I know that most DUers are like me -- living paycheck-to-paycheck if we're fortunate enough to GET a paycheck. Yet I also know there are those here (and reading) who DO have resources, and I would love to get a feel for their interest and ability in what I propose, so I created a survey.

To repeat, what I am proposing (for those who want this condensed) is restructuring Wishadoo! (a Community Good Social network, which has proof of concept having been in use for 8 years) as a member-owned cooperative, similar to NON-PARTISAN mutual aid societies of old (though more diverse), which not only connects those who need help to those who can help, and so much more, but also creates jobs. What I'm specifically asking here is, of those for whom $150 is not a huge sum, would you be interested in helping to finance the seed funding so I can hire help in order to relaunch and expand?



In order to move forward with these projects, all of which are still desperately needed in our society, I must have help. While volunteers and interns can supplement this help, I need a reliable team before I can consider relaunching. As mentioned earlier, Wishadoo! is a proven model; it worked so well that it became overwhelming for me, even with volunteers.

I have always envisioned creating job opportunities, especially for those who are homebound for any number of reasons, including those on disability who need supplemental income as well as homebound caregivers who also need extra income.

Over the last year I have explored a variety of funding mechanisms and legal structures for Our Good (in order to make use of various funding mechanism)s, but I come back to where I was at the very start: Raising funds via cooperative membership. From there, with a team in place, the revenue-generating models for each endeavor can work to be implemented, making Our Good a self-sustaining social enterprise, with both member-owned and worker-owned cooperatives in place.

* Because Our Community Good is not a start-up, impact investors are nowhere to be found.

* Because I am a woman, who is over 30, impact investors are nowhere to be found.

* Philanthropic foundation funding is either unavailable because Our Good has a broad agenda, not niche, or it will take at least one year to be approved for said funding.


I envision raising the initial funding via cooperative membership for individuals. (I am also exploring business membership.)

First, please know that most of the tools at Wishadoo! will remain available to anyone who joins -- for free. Being a co-op investor would offer additional benefits (to be explained in my next communication) and a voice/vote.

While I anticipate membership being only $25/year (with funding for those who cannot afford that but wish to participate in the co-op), this initial seed funding will be for $150. The ONLY reason I am doing it this way -- $150 instead of $25 -- is to weed out anyone who may want to disrupt this caring community. (Sadly, this type of disruption exists, which is why transforming online culture, given the influence of online activity, is a key area of focus for me.)

The minimum contribution of $150 provides 6 co-op memberships; the investor can select the other 5 people to participate in growing the community, or donate the membership to the general fund offering free membership. Renewal will only be $25/year henceforth.

IDEALLY, I would like to raise at least $100k, and here is the breakdown:

$60k - (3) part-time administrative support positions, one for each project, @ $15/hr for one year

$10k - IT upgrades and support; mobile app development for the projects

$5k - Expenses for one year (web hosting, domain renewals, marketing, legal)

$25k - I have bootstrapped everything for 8 years, but have been helped by several people who have granted me personal loans, and I desperately want to pay them back. Additionally, the IT team who has helped me all these years has done so out of the kindness of their hearts. I would like to be able to offer them $5k as a token of gratitude, even though they have no doubt provided at least $20k worth of services thus far.

Even though people can invest more than $150 (to provide for even more member|owners), less than 700 people would be needed to invest $150 in order to achieve the $100k goal…or 333 people at $300…or 200 people at $500…or 100 people at $1000. Or any combination thereof. I will structure the fundraiser accordingly.

However it manifests, the end result is relaunch of a much-needed service, job creation, and exponential expansion of a new type of community, one which values a Culture of Care and puts it into action.

Before I create a fundraiser, I have created a survey to try to determine how many people may be interested in being part of this seed funding investment of the Our Community Good Co-operative. If you are someone for whom $150 (or more) is a reasonable expenditure for "funding good" -- and creating free membership/ownership for those who cannot afford this initial minimum funding amount -- please click this link to take the survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CCRCXV9

Please share this with anyone you feel may be interested.

~ Dena



Between the awful story last month of the couple in Ohio who killed themselves because they felt they could not afford to exist and because no one acknowledged their pleas, and the recent viral story of the 81-year-old cancer patient who called 911 because he was hungry, I know WITHOUT ANY DOUBT that what I have been doing and building for the last 9 years is still desperately needed.

(I realize most are sharing the cancer patient/911 story as an example of an act of kindness, but I'm horrified that it happened at all. It is within our collective power to ensure that these situations no longer occur.)

Now that I can breathe again with my daughter home, I would REALLY appreciate feedback about what I share at the blog link, which includes a link to a survey.

My brain still feels enveloped in cotton, so I won't be surprised if there are questions or suggestions, assuming I haven't covered all the necessary bases in this post.

But, I'm letting it fly nevertheless and hope to hear back from some of you. Thank you!


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FINALLY, I'm following up - (edit: final update) (Original Post) OneGrassRoot May 2015 OP
k and r for continued visibility. niyad May 2015 #1
K & R & B Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #2
K Jackpine Radical May 2015 #3
K&R nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #4
Kick lonestarnot May 2015 #5
Kicking... Need To Read Later! n/t ChiciB1 May 2015 #6
K & R Lifelong Protester May 2015 #7
Condense ! nt Cryptoad May 2015 #8
Well... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #10
I hope you've learned your lesson... Flying Squirrel May 2015 #9
word... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #20
KnR Hekate May 2015 #11
K and if this smart phone could.... chknltl May 2015 #12
K & R Omaha Steve May 2015 #13
Agree that it's a lot to read AikidoSoul May 2015 #14
It's not new. It has been in action for 8 years and worked as intended... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #15
KnR daredtowork May 2015 #16
Indeed. Let me reply to each point... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #18
Let me rephrase daredtowork May 2015 #21
Okay... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #22
I think this is a great idea daredtowork May 2015 #23
Thank you...and sorry! OneGrassRoot May 2015 #24
Great video! daredtowork May 2015 #34
Great site! OneGrassRoot May 2015 #36
You should turn that into a plus daredtowork May 2015 #38
Absolutely age should equal wisdom... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #41
I'll kick this! And recommend it! calimary May 2015 #17
K & R & Surveilled Vincardog May 2015 #19
I don't know what "surveilled" means in the context of this OP... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #25
It is spell corrected surveyed, but still seemed appropriate. Can I help Market? Vincardog May 2015 #28
You mean Community Good itself, or the seed funding? OneGrassRoot May 2015 #29
Both. Let me know what I can do. I will give you all I can after I work for Bernie. Vincardog May 2015 #35
IMPORTANT REQUEST: OneGrassRoot May 2015 #26
k&r 1,000,000 times.... SummerSnow May 2015 #27
I'd like to see a survey some time hfojvt May 2015 #30
Yeah, I have a hard time grasping the reality of incomes, too... OneGrassRoot May 2015 #31
I love this idea!!! Suich May 2015 #32
kicky Kali May 2015 #33
Saturday morning update: OneGrassRoot May 2015 #37
kick midnight May 2015 #39
SUNDAY MORNING: Final update :) OneGrassRoot May 2015 #40

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
10. Well...
Fri May 15, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

I did edit to include a condensed summary, per your suggestion:

What I am proposing (for those who want this condensed) is a member-owned cooperative, similar to mutual aid societies of old, which not only connects those who need help to those who can help, and so much more, but also creates jobs. What I'm specifically asking here is, of those for whom $150 is not a huge sum, would you be interested in helping to finance the seed funding so I can hire help in order to move forward?

This is such a big vision, with a long, proven history now, that twitter-esque summaries or the proverbial elevator pitch doesn't work. I've found over the last decade that, for those who will truly resonate, they'll take the time to read, even if they -- like me and likely you and others -- are severely pressed for time.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
14. Agree that it's a lot to read
Fri May 15, 2015, 02:36 PM
May 2015

Needs to be edited with major point first and links to documentation.

We all need help at sometime in our lives.

Thank you for caring enough to do something about it.

You might need some help "marketing" the idea, and and especially building enough credibility so that this can become a reality.

There are a lot of scammers around these days and they are relentless. We receive at least twenty bogus "offers" every week... some by mail, some by telephone, and some by email.
It's pretty scary out there!

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
15. It's not new. It has been in action for 8 years and worked as intended...
Fri May 15, 2015, 02:44 PM
May 2015

I never even did an official launch all those years ago, because the need was so great that people found Wishadoo! by word of mouth and it was a snowball effect.

I have developed a protocol to weed out the scammers over all these years.

That said, for the relaunch, I definitely need all types of help, including marketing to make sure people realize that Our Community Good is so much more than about helping those suffering. It's also about creating joy and genuine connection and community.



daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
16. KnR
Fri May 15, 2015, 02:50 PM
May 2015

But I think you have to do a couple things because of turnover at DU.

1) Create transparency mechanisms about how the money is used. The main problem with giving to organizations rather than directly to individuals is over time the money tends to get sucked into overhead, and even advertisement, rather than the people it purports to help. The more transparent the use of the money is, the more confident people will feel about giving.

2) IMHO, it's a mistake to keep mentioning the handpicked people you have ready to hire. In your mind it probably sounds like you've vetted them, but from the outside it sounds like you just got to pick some people to receive this money. I assume you will be soliciting money from new people coming to DU, and there will be new people showing up who are in need (especially in that SSI/SSDI gap category). IMHO, you should make your criteria for hiring public, and make that an open ongoing process so there will be future opportunities.

That said, I think it would be awesome to have some way to process/vet people who are driven to "ask the Internet" for help. It would also be great to spare those people a lot of trolling they tend to get here.

One more thing - make sure the people who ask for money understand the circumstances and terms under which they already receive any government support - because sending them tax-reported money might actually put them through a lot of hell. Click my sig to see what happened when I tried to do little work for basic necessities.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
18. Indeed. Let me reply to each point...
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:10 PM
May 2015

In response to each point:


1. First of all, thus far, all funds have gone DIRECTLY to the individuals with posted needs. In the future, when people do want to help one specific individual(s), that will remain the case: All funds go directly to the individual.

I have absorbed all overhead over the last decade and can't do it any more -- financially or otherwise.

Co-operative membership dues can contribute toward business expenses and I intend for all funds raised and expenditures to be fully transparent. That is a key aspect of being structured as a co-op. Plus, members get a voice and can vote on how things evolve.

Even with this initial seed funding, I plan to be transparent -- I've already laid out where the funds would go in this initial inquiry.


2. You're right about the turnover at DU. And I understand your concern here, and that you feel newer DUers are often dissed and favor is given to "older" DU members and thus you feel I'm favoring "friends."

Actually, you're right. I am. This needs to move forward now, and I don't have months and months to train people. These are people who have walked every step of the way with me so they understand the bigger vision, and they understand the protocols I have set up to weed out scammers at Wishadoo.

They have become friends over the years. Yet they are also amongst the group of people I want to be able to provide supplemental income for, as I mentioned in the OP (those on SSDI, homebound caregivers, etc.). If/when it is time, and they accept, I'd gladly announce them here. Right now it is hypothetical, as without funding, I can't hire anyone.

Please remember I am only talking about these initial core three positions in this seed funding stage. The intention is for many more job opportunities to be created, but I need this core team which is indeed (I hope) already in place. And, no, vetting won't be determined by seniority on DU and, quite frankly, this work isn't limited to DU at all.

As to your last point, yes, I completely understand and will be sure things proceed accordingly. This is the part where I may pick your brain and get input, including legal input, from others once I'm able to proceed.

Thanks.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
21. Let me rephrase
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

Regarding the first point - I mean you need to be transparent about the seed money for operations: which you say you intend to do. But I think you need to be clear about this in your proposal, because that makes giving easier.

Regarding the three core people: I understand your reasons, but since you are asking new people to give to people you've already chosen, IMHO you should be upfront about their job descriptions, why those people got the job, and create some possibility for others being hired in the future. Otherwise someone who also needs the money might ask: "Do I have to set up a similar organization and directly compete with Wishadoo? Because Wishadoo only hires friends of OneGrassRoot." However, if you're open about the job descriptions and the qualifications of the people you're working with and future willingness to post job openings on DU, I think that would mitigate the "private club" question a great deal.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
22. Okay...
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:43 PM
May 2015

I plan to go into much more detail before I actually create a fundraiser. Even though I am in mere survey mode here, I've detailed how the seed funds would be spent.

I will indeed give more specifics regarding anticipated job positions, with descriptions, qualifications, etc. in time as well. Again, at this stage I'm gauging potential interest in being part of such a co-op and how many people may have the resources to invest at least $150. As I explained in the OP, that is done to weed out the trolls who seek to disrupt, as they are legion. I have a lot of experience with this, especially since Wishadoo! was highlighted on Glenn Beck's show on Fox years ago.

There ARE still a good number of people here who do know me and this work...I am not new to them. I understand it is frustrating and unfair that we aren't all equally familiar with one another, but I don't know what to do about that. In reality, I am probably appealing to them more than new DUers, precisely because new DUers aren't familiar with me and it takes a bit of work on their part to become familiar with me.

The people who need help of some sort now are not the people to whom I'm appealing; I'm appealing to those with resources, so that -- whether it is via job creation or straight-up financial gifting -- we can start providing relief in a more sustainable, ongoing way as a community.

There are ample ways people can become familiar with me and my work, as I always provide links and reference my journal here, but that requires effort, just as it requires effort to establish any sort of relationship. Heck, I even wrote a complete bio comprised of mini-essays for those who REALLY want to get to know me...lol.

I am quite transparent.

http://dena-patrick.blogspot.com/p/mini-bio.html

I think we're at a bit of a stalemate as it concerns this point, sadly.




daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
23. I think this is a great idea
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:47 PM
May 2015

It seems you think I'm fighting you on it - and I'm definitely not!

What I'm trying to do is give you my best advice for what would increase your donation potential. The points I gave were what I thought were the weakest points in your presentation here today - they weren't a criticism of your personal level of transparency. I want your project to succeed!

I do wish you the best of luck with this.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
24. Thank you...and sorry!
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:54 PM
May 2015

I do appreciate it. My powers of perception are rather impaired today...lol...so I did take your comments the wrong way.

Sorry about that.

Yeah, I'm just trying to be transparent about the fact, hopefully, that there are people in place for this initial core team and that they just so happen to be DUers.

But sooooooooo much more help will be needed, as the Directory project alone requires a LOT of manpower. I've worked for years with organizations with a lot of resources, trying to collaborate, and learned what a mess it is. There is indeed a non-profit industrial complex.

Actually, I created a video about it:



(Note that I'm rebranding the name to encompass "Community Good" so people can understand they're all connected.)

Anyway, THANK YOU AGAIN, daredtowork!!!





daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
34. Great video!
Fri May 15, 2015, 11:17 PM
May 2015

Sorry I had to run off to my daily slog of appointments earlier.

I wanted to suggest that you check out https://www.1deg.org - you might especially check out their page of funders and partners.

I applied to work for them, but they didn't proceed with the interview when they learned I was so poor I didn't have a cellphone. Very disappointing in view of their ostensible mission.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
36. Great site!
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:12 AM
May 2015

The Bay area has such great funding opportunities. There SHOULD be similar resources where I am -- Raleigh-Durham, NC -- and I'm exploring them. My age and the fact that this is NOT a startup is definitely a negative in their eyes. Ageism and sexism run rampant.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
38. You should turn that into a plus
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:14 PM
May 2015

This group of youngsters were able to get the funding for their start up, but they were not able to see that some who has been on welfare for three years - but is also an extremely resourceful person with a graduate degree - is exactly what they needed to build their community ties and discover all the micro-resources they were missing. Instead they overlooked me (and probably hired another person their age - which leaves them still scrambling to get on top of local resources) because I didn't have a cellphone.

I could have bought a cellphone if they had given me a job.

Anyway, you should turn your age into experience and any hunting you've had to do for resources into knowledge of the system and community ties. Age should equal wisdom when it comes to building a directory that will be useful for people suffering from poverty.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
41. Absolutely age should equal wisdom...
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:27 AM
May 2015

and it certainly does in my case as it relates to my journey with all of this.

I'm trying to find people who are specifically funding people over 40 (or even older), and perhaps women over that age. The ageism in our culture is too strong to try to get people to see the light about our wisdom...lol. Or perhaps I just don't have the energy to keep battling on that particular front; so many ongoing battles on so many fronts, for so long...

No doubt you empathize with that completely.



OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
25. I don't know what "surveilled" means in the context of this OP...
Fri May 15, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

but it made me chuckle nevertheless.

Thanks for that. I needed a chuckle.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
29. You mean Community Good itself, or the seed funding?
Fri May 15, 2015, 05:59 PM
May 2015

Either way, sure. I can use all the help I can get.

Now that I'm rebranding the various projects to be under the "Community Good" banner, so to speak -- rather than have names that don't seem connected (even though the projects themselves are indeed interconnected) -- I have a lot of new material to create.

I don't want to get ahead of myself again though by ramping up engagement without having sufficient, reliable, ongoing help to do the behind-the-scenes work of it all.

Hence me trying to get a feel re: funding via this co-op/seed funding approach.



OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
26. IMPORTANT REQUEST:
Fri May 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
May 2015

If you don't mind, I'm a little paranoid about CC people chiming in on the survey to mislead me. They always read this stuff. If you can send me a message here if you are interested in contributing, so I know it's a legit survey vote, I would really appreciate it.

No obligation or anything, since I'm merely trying to get a feel for this potential. But to know the vote is legit would be helpful.

Thanks.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
30. I'd like to see a survey some time
Fri May 15, 2015, 06:05 PM
May 2015

ARE most DUers really living paycheck to paycheck?

My own paycheck four weeks ago was so small the federal government did not even take any taxes out of it, but I am parsecs away from living paycheck to paycheck.

Still I think I would really rather see 10,000 people at $10 or maybe 5,000 at $20.

But it's hard to gather that many people.

Perhaps a grant could be written - to the Clinton foundation

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
31. Yeah, I have a hard time grasping the reality of incomes, too...
Fri May 15, 2015, 06:31 PM
May 2015

On one hand I see so many people like me (us), living check by check, with one event having the potential to lead to homelessness. On the other hand, I see people thinking $250k for a family of 4 (not in high cost-of-living areas) is "middle class."

Good grief, I wouldn't be asking for any funding if I had that income...lol.

I also prefer smaller contributions, but I do see the potential of a certain element of people joining simply to disrupt -- similar to what we see happening at DU. After the initial stage, the regular contributions can kick in. I just need help to move ahead or else I'll end up where I was before I put everything on hold.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
37. Saturday morning update:
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:30 AM
May 2015

I also shared this on FB yesterday, but that's the only other place, as I'm trying to gauge interest within my closest networks first. Thus far, either not enough people have seen the post or there is no interest amongst those with resources to help raise significant funds. About $3000 is what the survey results show.

I am not a good fundraiser when it's directly pertaining to me; I can do so on others' behalf with no problem. Even though this IS for others, it is also directly connected and helps me, too, so I feel awkward.

I suppose I can try to make a list of people I know who do have resources and contact them directly, asking if they'd be willing to help. Sadly, among those I am closest to, very few have resources. We're all rather in the same boat.

Maybe an angel investor or two will see this or my blog and want to be involved.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
40. SUNDAY MORNING: Final update :)
Sun May 17, 2015, 08:05 AM
May 2015

Well, this way of funding relaunch/expansion doesn't look promising, so it's onward to explore other avenues. I'd rather go where there is plenty of money and make it trickle down, rather than appeal to the average person, anyway. I'm going to focus on retooling/rebranding for more cohesion among the various projects/divisions. When I get things going again, I will definitely post here at DU and specifically reach out to those who have expressed interest recently, to let you know things are up and running again.

Thank you!

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