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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama's Approval Rating Spikes to 50%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspxWe keep hearing that President Obama is the most "divisive President in history" from our right-wing friends. However, Obama's approval rating is now higher that Reagan's and Bush II's.
No doubt it's related to the approach he has adopted towards the Republicans in Congress and an economy that is putting up increasingly better numbers, with the important exception of increasing wages for the middle class and below.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Huh. How about that. Look for Dems to draw the wrong lessons from that phenomenon, i.e., promoting "centrism" or "practicality" and "bipartisanship".
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)We all would have had his back!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Who knows what kind of dragon(dragging) is behind....
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yeah, right!
Cha
(297,167 posts)never going to happen at that time and would have only wasted valuable time.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)6+ years in now with so much accomplished and people still fixate on things that never could have been. It really does take away from what has been done IMHO.
Cha
(297,167 posts)were FDR! They're too busy pining to know what's actually been Accomplished under our current President.
snark
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)well done.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)who have no interest in redistribution.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)could have been led to single-payer?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)'If only' has fucked up many a good thing though out history
I'm surprised he got as good of a deal as he did to be honest with you. He has to deal with pukies and they don't play fair and haven't for years. Many here can't grasp that though
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)This is getting really difficult to follow ... President Obama is, at once, turning sharply to the left AND the centrist, corporatist, purveyor of American sovereignty and worker doom!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)that alone would characterize him as left, but he's also gone left on lots of other things which, as have been noted here, have very little chance of passing through a Republican Congress.
But I get your sarcastic point, lol. It can be very hard to keep up here on DU, from day to day, whether he's a hero or a villain, lol.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Doing that since 2009.
ETA: Just to be safe, let's just have him as the villain that occasionally does the good stuff that we forced him to do. That'll get you a couple hundred Recs.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)On your edit, yes, ok, lol.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I knew who I was voting for back then, and it wasnt a liberal in the sense of what I think of as liberal.
It wasnt a rightwinger either.
I was voting for someone I knew to be a product of the political process, who was or is not just intelligent compared to W (a ham sandwich would be intelligent in comparison to W) but intelligent compared to Clinton, who was and is one of the smartest presidents if not the smartest of all time. (at the risk of sounding racist, referring to him as intelligent actually is meant to contrast the hell we had to endure the previous 8 yrs, not that he is special because he is simultaneously black and smart)
But I am no historian so maybe I will get educated on that one.
Regardless, I knew what Obama was and wasnt.
When he woke up the day after being elected, he was presented with an opposition party who met in secret the night before agreeing to destroy the economy of the United States of America so as to destroy Obama.
Faced with obstruction and unprecedented unpatriotic behavour such as this, he did what he could, and in some cases that was amazing.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You are so wicked.
PERFECTLY said.
Cha
(297,167 posts)been who is.. not someone who dances to anyone else's tune/drum.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Stallion
(6,474 posts)I think its time to announce that he's running for that 3rd term
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)rather than distancing themselves. Maybe Grimes will admit she actually did vote for Obama now that it might be okay to do that! Such backbone.
Takket
(21,563 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)You can compare them at the same stage of their presidency here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx
For the latest point of Obama's presidency, the figures and post-WW2 equivalents are:
Obama 49% (this is a weekly figure, so not quite up to the 50% figure yet)
Truman 24%
GW Bush 32%
Reagan 43% (this had just taken a step dive - I'm guessing Iran-Contra had just been exposed)
Eisenhower 59%
Clinton 69%
So Obama is above average, but nowhere near the population of Bill Clinton.
Cha
(297,167 posts)if it's not as high as Bill Clinton's. The Hate MOngers are doing too good a job for that to be realistic.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Only 50 % !!@#$%^&*)_+_)(*&^%$#@$%^&*@#$%^
Kidding~ To be clear.
Cha
(297,167 posts)With all the brainwashed hate one sees online.. regurgitated stupid stuff about Pres Obama .. I'll take Obama's well earned 50%, she!
she
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Stole it~
I am
Luv ya Cha!
Cha
(297,167 posts)too, she!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I think lots of folks are waking up to the fact that they have been brainwashed into hating him.
Cha
(297,167 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)and has been for quite some time.
Of course, Putin is doing good things for his nation, like jailing criminal oligarchs, or exiling them, etc., etc....and offering refuge to Ukrainians fleeing their government and the madness of the civil war driven by old-time Nazis....and keeping the world from bombing Syria, Iran, and other neocon targets....
You know, basic stewardship, statesmanship, and integrity. His popularity doesn't fluctuate with his speeches. It's built on real actions that improve Russian life.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)and kills his own people? One who is virulently bigoted and homophobic. And by the way, he has allowed his economy to be destroyed via economic sanctions due to those human rights violations.
But your hatred of this president is so great that you have to resort to a despot's doctored polling data to make your point? Pathetic!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and with drones, truly an example of courage and justice!
During which exercise of his Gameboy, he manages to off an incredible number of innocent civilians, too: women, children, the elderly, entire wedding parties....
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Would you care to share it? Enlighten us!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)"Moscow is financing legions of pro-Russia Internet commenters. But how much do they matter?"
"Russia's campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin's message on the comments section of top American websites.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Is that what it would take to enlighten you? $$$$?
Cha
(297,167 posts)wish they could live under his rule.. then they could hate Obama in the country they love.
Them and the RW love RW Putin..
Pravda (Hearts) Tea Party: American Conservatism Embraced By Russian Right-Wing And Vice Versa
"There you have it. Obama is an anti-Christian, Muslim lover, while Putin is the Second Coming of Ronald Reagan. A devout, law and order Christian who can inspire the Teabagging masses. Putin is their 21st century savior who can restore America and the world. The article even includes emails that the author received from Americans wishing Putin could be the U.S. president. And to top it all off, it closes with an evangelical sermon lambasting the "lamestream" media and exalting Putin's piety and the glory of Christ's guidance to the "Truth." [FYI: Pravda, in Russian, means truth]."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/18/1239872/-Pravda-Hearts-Tea-Party-American-Conservatism-Embraced-By-Russian-Right-Wing-And-Vice-Versa
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Good to see you!
The unprecedented hate of this President scares me. Who are we? What have we become?
Cha
(297,167 posts)their problem.
Mahalo!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)and a murderer if that'll excuse their hatred for this president.
I'm posting sporadically. Not sure if I made the right decision coming back to this place.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Note: It's pretty easy to get high approval ratings when dissent/disapproval results in jail, or worst.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Cha
(297,167 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Sensitive information is neither dissent, nor disagreement.
Other than that ... Yeah, it's just like that!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)By Michael Isikoff, National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/06/22205443-after-43-years-activists-admit-theft-at-fbi-office-that-exposed-domestic-spying?chromedomain=usnews
In the bombshell book, "The Burglary," journalist Betty Medzger exposes the robbers behind the momentous theft from an FBI office outside Philadelphia over 40 years ago. The perpetrators have come forward in an interview with NBC News. Forty-three years after the mysterious theft of up to 1,000 documents from an FBI office outside Philadelphia, three former political activists are publicly confessing to the brazen burglary, calling it an act of resistance that exposed massive illegal surveillance and intimidation.
We did it because somebody had to do it, John Raines, 80, a retired professor of religion at Temple University, said in an interview with NBC News. In this case, by breaking a law entering, removing files we exposed a crime that was going on. When we are denied the information we need to have to act as citizens, then we have a right to do what we did.
Raines, his wife, Bonnie, and Keith Forsyth, a former Philadelphia cab driver, said they were part of an eight-member ring of anti-Vietnam War protesters that while much of the country was gripped by the so-called Fight of the Century in New York between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier broke into the FBIs Media, Penn., office on March 8, 1971. Members of the burglary team, armed with little more than a crowbar and wearing suits and ties, then walked off undetected with suitcases stuffed with sensitive bureau files that revealed a domestic FBI spying operation known as COINTELPRO. The heist enraged the bureaus legendary Director J. Edgar Hoover, who launched a massive but ultimately futile manhunt.
The identities of the burglars are revealed in a book being published Tuesday, "The Burglary: The Discovery of J. Edgar Hoovers Secret FBI," by Betty Medsger, a former Washington Post reporter. The book, as well as a new film, "1971," by documentarian Johanna Hamilton, portray the break-in as a story with new resonance in light of the recent revelations of National Security Agency surveillance of American citizens by ex-contractor Edward Snowden.
Much like Snowden, the FBI burglars selectively leaked the stolen files to journalists. They produced months of headlines about FBI surveillance of anti-war and civil rights groups including the first references to COINTELPRO, a secret program started years earlier by Hoover and aimed at smearing the reputations of perceived enemies such as Dr. Martin Luther King.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I missed that story.
But I can see the similarity of this and resistance in Russia.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)You must not know much about Russia. Here's an idea: Try being a dissenter in Russia, let me know how that works.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Cha
(297,167 posts)Police officers detain an opposition supporter during an unauthorized rally in support of Alexei and Oleg Navalny in central Moscow, Dec. 30, 2014.
Russia's top opposition leader Alexei Navalny on December 30, 2014, called for mass protests to "destroy" President Vladimir Putin's regime after a court handed him a suspended sentence and jailed his brother in a controversial fraud case.
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/protests-put-down-in-russia-after-dissenter-sentenced/
Alexei Navalny sentenced to five years in prison
The Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been sentenced to five years in prison at the end of a trial that was seen as politically motivated.
Navalny was taken from the courtroom in handcuffs after the judge, Sergei Blinov, ended a three-hour verdict reading by finding him guilty of embezzlement. He hugged his wife, Yulia, and was led away by police.
On Thursday night, thousands of Russians flooded the main arteries leading to the Kremlin, demanding his freedom and calling for the ousting of the president, Vladimir Putin. Dozens were detained.
An anti-corruption activist who became the most popular figure to emerge from protests that erupted around Putin's return to the Kremlin last year, Navalny was accused of embezzlement, and a handful of other charges, after Putin unleashed a crackdown on the opposition in the wake of his inauguration.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/18/alexei-navalny-five-years-prison-russia
This is their putin.. charming.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)It's theft on a grand scale, by deception.
There isn't anything "political" about that (unless, as in the USA, it doesn't get prosecuted. All that mortgage fraud was theft, robo-signing (lying for pay), and worse. Millions of people will never recover from it. What did the banksters get as punishment? NOTHING!)
Cha
(297,167 posts)suppressing *******.
Putin ramps up Internet censorship, citing Google and Snowden to ensure public support
"On March 13, a half-dozen highly trafficked opposition blogs and indie media outlets were suddenly blocked within Russia. The websites including the highly respected Ekho Moskvy radio station and the blog of popular nationalist opposition politician, Alexei Navalny received no notice of the impeding cutoff.
There was no court order, no trial, not even a public hearing. But theres no doubt the move was official: Roskomnadzor, Russias mass media and telecommunications regulator, very publicly announced it in a directive to Russian ISPs, explaining that access to these websites must be blocked for extremism and for encouraging people to attend unsanctioned protests in this case, against Russias annexation of Crimea.
This new formal power to unilaterally block access to any website comes via a brand new Internet censorship law that went into effect on February 1, 2014. Its called the Law of Lugovoi named after its author, State Duma Deputy Andrei Lugovoi, a scary ex-FSB officer-turned-Duma deputy who is better known as the prime suspect in the 2007 polonium assassination of Alexander Litvinenko in London.
MOre..
http://pando.com/2014/03/20/putin-ramps-up-internet-censorship-citing-google-and-snowden-to-ensure-public-support/
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)How 'bout that Kim Jong Un?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I work with the emigres here in my town. Real stories, from real people, not propaganda and stuff left over from the USSR.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Russia Increasingly Unpopular
Across the 44 countries surveyed, a median percentage of 43% have unfavorable opinions of Russia, compared with 34% who are positive.
Negative ratings of Russia have increased significantly since 2013 in 20 of the 36 countries surveyed in both years, decreased in six and stayed relatively similar in the remaining 10.
Americans and Europeans in particular have soured on Russia over the past 12 months. More than six-in-ten in Poland, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, the U.S. and the UK have an unfavorable image of Russia. And in all but one of these countries negative reviews are up by double digits since last year, including by 29 percentage points in the U.S., 27 points in Poland, 24 points in the UK and 23 points in Spain. Greeks stand out among their European counterparts just 35% dislike Russia, virtually unchanged from last year.
Ukrainians attitudes toward Russia also have changed significantly over time. Six-in-ten in Ukraine rate Russia unfavorably today, compared with just 11% in 2011, the last time the question was asked. Within Ukraine, there are deep divides by region and language. More than eight-in-ten in the countrys west (83%) give Russia low marks, compared with 45% in the east and only 4% in Crimea. Within the east, Russian-only speakers (28%) are less negative toward Russia than their neighbors (58%).2
If they ain't closed by now, just wait.
Cha
(297,167 posts)things.. if only they could be there and cheer his speeches on in person.
Number23
(24,544 posts)like Pussy Riot or this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
Holy Hell on a hyenna. Just when I think this place CANNOT POSSIBLY get any dumber/weirder/more divorced from reality... some shit like this subthread comes along.
Cha
(297,167 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)and it wasn't a closed society, either.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)what happens to journalists who oppose "The State"? These folks found out the hard way.
Russian Journalists Murdered Since 2000
After the report was finished, two more journalists were killed, including Natalia Estemirova in July 2009.
In November 2010, Kommersant journalist Oleg Kashin was severely beaten has has since recovered.
If your government doesn't tolerate opposing views, you're a fuckin' "closed society" as I stated before.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Not any more. We have stenographers. For true investigative reporting, we must access real journalists in other countries, Greg Palast, Glenn Greewald, Linda Poitras, etc.
We are the closed society. The truth cannot get into print nor on the TV or radio. All we get is sensationalism, gossip, and propaganda.
The only way we stand a chance of finding out what is really going on is through the internet. Or travel. Or correspondence with people outside the US echo chamber.
Obama has done a really bloody knife job on Putin---but if one looks to the rest of the world, the truth comes out. The US is despised for its spying, droning, crashing computers, invading and overthrowing democratically elected countries, pushing deadly trade deals, and a whole lot more.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)"but if one looks to the rest of the world, the truth comes out. The US is despised for its spying, droning, crashing computers, invading and overthrowing democratically elected countries, pushing deadly trade deals, and a whole lot more."
Can you quantify this statement?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Putin certainly treats the Russian LGBT community with deference and respect-- his degree of stewardship and integrity accurately displayed as such in doing so as he improves the lives of LGBT Russians.
Good things for his nation, indeed. 80% approval rating, indeed.
(insert rationalization below for effective self-validation)
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Cha
(297,167 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)That number will go down.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)It's going to be interesting to watch the reactions from the RW.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thank you, fresh!