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Schumer said, I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the presidents veto Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. By most estimates it would create several thousand temporary construction jobs and only 35 permanent jobs Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar? Our Republican colleagues are doing what they always do: theyre appeasing a few special interests in this case oil companies and pipeline companies and not really doing whats good for the average middle class family in terms of creating jobs.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/04/senator-announces-democrats-votes-sustain-obama-veto-keystone-xl.html
Senator Schumer! Yeah, if the republicons want "Jobs" so bad.. pass Bernie's Bill!
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/03/bernie-sanders-flexes-muscles-introducing-bill-create-13-million-jobs.html
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Cha
(295,929 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Happy New Year to you Cha
Let us keep up the necessary work for the good fight. If we don't give up, in the end we will win
Cha
(295,929 posts)Great thought for New Year of the Obama VETO!
madokie
(51,076 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)calimary
(80,700 posts)Happy New Year!
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Good health and happiness to you for 2015.
Cha
(295,929 posts)There have to be 34 Democrats.
Cha
(295,929 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)Wait....I thought Obama was pushing this thru!
That's what all the self proclaimed "real Democrats" on DU told me.
Cha
(295,929 posts)to be so doesn't make it happen.
mahalo zappaman~
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)I need to change my frequency channel for DU. My head hurts from all the screeching I am hearing. I keep thinking I am in the twilight zone zappaman.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)livetohike
(22,084 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)DFW
(54,057 posts)Those Democrats who would support the pipeline are few in number. Like Landrieu, some of the supporters are no longer members of the US Senate. Those who oppose are mostly still around, and certainly more than 34 in number.
Cha
(295,929 posts)DFW
(54,057 posts)I'm pleased to see he has opted for the former (in this case, at least!)
Cha
(295,929 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Hele on!
Cha
(295,929 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Happy New Year!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Damn right!
Cha
(295,929 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Spazito
(49,765 posts)I was pretty sure the numbers would be there but it is good to have it confirmed by Senator Schumer.
Happy New Years, Cha!
Cha
(295,929 posts)is something to behold!
Happy New Year, Spaz!
Cha
(295,929 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)While the Democrats are finally telling the truth about Keystone, I'm looking forward to hearing Hillary weasel her way out of this sticky wicket.
Keystone Pipeline Lobbyists were Hillary Clinton Fundraisers
link: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/keystone-pipeline-lobbyists-were-hillary-clinton-fundraisers?news=844095
Two of the lobbyists named in the FOIA request, Gordon Giffin of McKenna, Long & Aldridge, and James Blanchard of DLA Piper, were fundraising bundlers for Clintons presidential bid, and DLA Piper was the largest single corporate source of employee and PAC contributions to her campaign. Both Blanchard and Giffin served as U.S. Ambassador to Canada under President Bill Clinton, Blanchard from 1993-1997 and Giffin from 1997-2001.
A third pipeline lobbyist, Paul Elliott, worked on Clintons campaign as national deputy director and chief of staff for delegate selection. Although the Obama administration recently rejected the permit, TransCanada is preparing a new permit application, leading Damon Moglen, climate and energy project director at FOE, to explain the continued relevance of the request: The communications we seek are key to ensuring that the State Department isnt letting lobbyists personal connections to Secretary Clinton or President Obama bias its decision-making.
Cha
(295,929 posts)I just saw DonCoquixote's post about Pres Clinton being for it.. smh.. and now here's Hillary with the Keystone fundraising.. although in 2012. Wonder if she's having any second thoughts about this?
Happy New Year, AK and Mahalo~
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Cheers.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,308 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Hair on fire group in the house? Comments please.
Cha
(295,929 posts)You know somewhere Pres Gore is smiling, she!
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Yes he is Cha.
Cha
(295,929 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)BTW, Hillary, your actual opinion on this would be useful now, and no, not the one your husband already blurted out, unless, of course, he speaks for you.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Pres Clinton have to say about this?
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)Bill Clinton on Keystone XL pipeline: 'Embrace' it
"One of the most amazing things to me about this Keystone pipeline deal is that they ever filed that route in the first place since they could've gone around the Nebraska Sandhills and avoided most of the dangers, no matter how imagined, to the Ogallala [aquifer] with a different route, which I presume we'll get now, because the extra cost of running is infinitesimal compared to the revenue that will be generated over a long period of time," he said.
"So, I think we should embrace it and develop a stakeholder-driven system of high standards for doing the work," Clinton added.
Now, as many will say "Hillary is not her husband" yes, which means she can get right out there on Tv and support Obama for beign resistsant to this pipeline, or wait till 2016 till we have to choke down a vote against Jeb that will unfrtunately be a vote for her, and then she goes ahead and lets that pipeline run rught through. The fact she is silent where he husband is loud only reinforce the idea that he does the talking and she is silent?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Yeah, I can see why you want Hillary to speak out on this.
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)Hillary could speak out. Hell, suppose for the sake of argument, she was oppposed to him? Does she really think that there will not be bottles of champagne popped to see her finally give Bill some badly needed come-uppance? Does she think the feminists will abandon HER for HIM?
If she were to make an HONEST left turn, she would be Joan of Arc with a laser beam. Yes, some donors will be scared, but others would dare not even look like they were slinking away.
No, I fear, and I hope I am wrong, it is because she knows she need Bill to be the smooth "minister of slpaining stuff." if true, that is a tragedy.
Cha
(295,929 posts)the Keystone that McConnell wants so badly for Kochs.
Atomic Kitten posted that the Keystones were fundraising for Hillary in 2012..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6041818
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and run away from Obama and to the right.
So my guess is that she won't speak out against the Keystone pipeline.
This strategy proved disastrous for people like Grimes and Landriu....but Clinton probably thinks she can pull it off.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)is she did because of coal country's anger towards Obama but the 8 counties McConnell improved on the most since 2008 were all coal counties including Harlan which hasn't voted Republican in over 50 years (they still voted Dem for the State Senate though).
She basically only won Louisville. She would have been better off forfeiting coal country and embracing Kynect (Obamacare).
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)which is why I favor it over the bomb trains but long term it is probably better to reject it.
[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Excellent news!
Cha
(295,929 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Now off to work I go.
Carry on!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,163 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Clickbait.
Cha
(295,929 posts)didn't have the votes.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It would increase the net worth of the Koch brothers from $100B to $200B in one year and he knows what they would do with that money!
Cha
(295,929 posts)one year?! I knew they'd hate Pres Obama's VETO PEN on this!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)In 2010, Charles Koch directly threatened Obama if it was not allowed to go through. Their revenge was the Tea Party, the 2011 CR fight, followed by all the others. Our Leo withstood them, waiting for the public to get wise to the danger of it. PBO spoke in meetings for a Constitutional Amendment to repeal Citizens United as he cannot repeal it. That requires action in the states, though, and the voters let him down by not showing up to polls to defeat the GOP and get it passed.
Our last win was the 18 YO vote and last loss was the ERA which came close, but failed. It would have done so much but there seem to be even worse forces attacking the ERA and a repeal of CU than then.
Obama will find a way, back door if he has to use one, to get it done. He's just about gotten all the liberal social agenda done with no help whatsoever from the other branches of government, making the older ways seemingly irrelevant.
He's got his eyes on the prize, Cha. It's a Civil War. Interesting Obama came into office from the same state as Lincoln...
Cha
(295,929 posts)interesting that President Obama hails from Illinois via Hawaii.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/keystone-pipeline_n_6336576.html
GP6971
(31,017 posts)SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Last week he chronicled how he himself went from being pro-KXL to strongly anti-KXL the more he learned about it, particularly after he went to speak with people who live along the proposed route. Hopefully more of our representatives will get educated and realize what a stupid project this would be for us.
Cha
(295,929 posts)fatten Kochs' pockets by a $100 billion would be advocating it.
Our Native Americans are Definitely Against it.
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Don't threaten our drinking water and water for our crops!
"Cowboy and Indian Alliance" I like that name.. they want to protect their Livelihood of the heartland.
Really interesting.. thank you, SunSeeker!
Love that banner they are holding.
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And Daryl Hannah is with them!
Cha
(295,929 posts)Earth Day last year and is really informative! Mahalo!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)political fallout...
"These amendments will make it better but certainly not good enough at this point in time," Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the president's veto. We need a much different energy policy."
Republicans in the Senate are expected to quickly take up a bill on the Keystone pipeline after gaining control of the upper chamber this week. Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that Senate Republicans would work to approve the pipeline, which McConnell said "would put a lot of people to work almost immediately."
...Schumer said there will be amendments saying that steel used in the pipeline must come from the U.S. and that oil from the pipeline should not be exported to other countries. Another amendment, he said, would add more jobs in wind and solar energy. But even with those amendments, Schumer said he believes Democrats would sustain a presidential veto. Obama has not said how he would respond to the legislation.
"Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. ... And so Democrats are dubious of this, but were going to introduce amendments to make it more of a jobs bill," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/chuck-schumer-keystone-pipeline_n_6413004.html
Cha
(295,929 posts)SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Considering that the whole reason for the pipeline is so that Canadian shale oil can be sold to other countries, why do you think that amendment would make it pass?
Sure sounds like a poison pill, not a "pretty bow."
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RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Or it could be I used to post on Huffpo, then got a promotion & very busy, then was transferred to Ohio & started learning about fracking & started going to the environmental group here at DU, then learned my way to the GD, & got totally addicted since I'm surrounded by republicans in my real life & finally it was like being back at Huffpo & I got addicted.
But what a great way to welcome me.
And thanks for helping me break my addiction Major Hogwash. Fitting name.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I am looking forward to this veto fight
Cha
(295,929 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)The president is right on target here. We assume all the environmental risks, Canadian corporations make all the profits (assuming they can make a profit selling this stuff at $50 a barrel), and China winds up with the oil.
This is a no brainer. If you support this deal, you hate America.
Although, given the current competitive nature of oil pricing, I'd be surprised if this boondoggle ever becomes a reality. I think the republicans realize that too, they just want to stick it to Obama.
Unfortunately, he's a few moves ahead of them.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)snip//
Dozens of Native Americans have descended on Washington DC on the first weekend of 2015 to stage a protest in front of the White House against the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, which they call a disastrous death warrant to the environment and people.
The No to KXL rally, organized by Native American leaders and environmental groups, paraded in the Lafayette Square against the pipeline that would channel oil from the Canadian tar sands through to the US to refineries in Texas.
MOre
http://rt.com/usa/219643-keystone-pipeline-protest-washington/
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That has to mean there are quite a few Republicans willing to vote against it as well. I guess for once it's good to see something on a bipartisan basis.
Cha
(295,929 posts)We'll soon know.. fingers crossed!
Happy New Year, david~
bigtree
(85,919 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)
... and while I'd certainly welcome that veto, I'd be looking at the reason why he made the decision.
We still don't know whether his delays and reasoning he's given (to let the Nebraska legislature decide on a route) is sincere, or if it's a way to delay the project until it dies on its own because of investor disinterest.
If Nebraska decides on a route, will the President come out in favor of the project? Or, is his objection just a dissent against the bypassing of his own authority to decide, yea or nay?
Thing is, there hasn't been any statement from President Obama which matches the objections of environmentalists who actually have detailed their opposition to the project and to tar sand extraction, as well as the oil pipeline. That dissonance with those publicly opposed to the project leaves a great deal of ambiguity over his ultimate intentions - his ultimate actions - especially with many polls suggesting a majority of public support for approving the pipeline.
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago (2:37)
WH concerned about construction of Keystone Pipeline, but @PressSec stops short of saying if Pres Obama would veto a bill approving it.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Not exactly a challenge to wrangle that.
Also, a veto can be sustained with 134 votes in the House. There's 201 Democrats in the House. We cheering that a veto would be sustained there too?
Cha
(295,929 posts)to get it for them. I don't care how little it takes to make it so the veto isn't overridden.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If that's what we've been reduced to, we have a very, very, very long way to go.
Cha
(295,929 posts)great white snark
(2,646 posts)Thank you for this Cha.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Mahalo Snark!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I hope they do.
Duval
(4,280 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Grown2Hate
(2,005 posts)...are gas prices being lowered artificially right now so that they can blame the Democrats for helping veto this pipeline, and therefore start raising the price again, citing the veto? Either way, VETO the pipeline, but be aware of the trickery. #MaybeImParanoidButIDoubtIt
Yavin4
(35,357 posts)If it went forward, it could not make its money back.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Yavin4
(35,357 posts)The Saudis are pricing oil at a level that makes tar sands drilling unprofitable.
Cha
(295,929 posts)getting old!
That just plain stinks.
My BIL use to say it was those lazy ass squirrels running the generators that are at fault
They are getting to fat and lazy
Cha
(295,929 posts)I'm going into the big city now.. just wanted to check in before I catch bus.
Have fun, she!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)Isn't Koch Industries the world's largest supplier of oil drilling equipment and as for actual oil pipelines;
"Koch Pipeline Company LP, which owns and operates 4,000 miles (6,400 km) of pipeline used to transport oil, natural gas liquids and chemicals. Its pipelines are located across Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas, Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Alberta, Canada. The firm operates offices in Wichita, Kansas, St. Paul, Minnesota and Corpus Christi, Texas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Koch_Pipeline_Company_LP
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Shut it down.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)AGAIN! No pipeline!
1step
(380 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Thanks Cha!
Cha
(295,929 posts)Muchas Gracias to you~
riversedge
(69,727 posts)the dems in the congress will sustain it. whow.
Cha
(295,929 posts)A BFD! I cannot wait until it's a done deal.
swilton
(5,069 posts)Political will an entirely different matter
Cha
(295,929 posts)RationalMan
(96 posts)then any Democrat that would vote to override must be marginalized.
Most of the Blue Dogs have been voted out of office. We need to galvanize around a core of true progressives and expand that circle. This is the way the Republicans did it. In their case they found a core of nut-cases and built on them but for Democrats it is finding officials that are true progressives.
We can build from there. I challenge that any Democrat that would vote to override a veto of any eventual Keystone bill is a traitor and must be treated as such.