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Andray @AndrayDomise
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I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virtue of being a responsible parent to a black son.
5:13 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,862 Retweets 1,369 favorites
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/546503765302722560
thanks to Cha for sharing above tweet
see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026002280
spanone
(135,637 posts)k&r...
what mayor deBlasio said about eric garner's homicide had NOTHING to do with
a deranged man killing two police officers.
randys1
(16,286 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)And it's gone unanswered ... and that has to change.
Where is our campaign to show we have the Mayor's back! It has to start now!
Cha
(295,929 posts)Thank you, Mahalo, Muchas Gracias, etc etc!
Beautiful photo of Mayor de Blasio and his son
napkinz
(17,199 posts)shenmue
(38,503 posts)I like him. I grew up in New York and I would like to move back someday. Hopefully while he's still in office.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The racist culture in PDs needs to be wiped out ASAP.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)People expect others to 'get over it'...nope, not going to happen. Not on my watch.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)try to SILENCE/QUELL the "Black Lives Matter" movement in this country.
The demonstrations MUST go on.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
napkinz
(17,199 posts)the question is, how will the police RESPOND to bigger and louder?
Cha
(295,929 posts)beautiful family
Cha
(295,929 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)not to mention insubordinate
the mayor won by a real big margin. Most new yorkers voted for him and I'd say most of them still like him just fine, cops be damned
Cha
(295,929 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)great pic
napkinz
(17,199 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)They thought they were coming back into power but they believe by turning de Blasio into Dinkins they can get back into city hall. And the NY Post, NYPD, PBA, FOXNEWS, and others will do what they have to to tear Bill down.
Cha
(295,929 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Bloomberg went down to 24 percent approval in his first term and won in a landslide.
de Blasio knows how to fight back so he will when the funerals are over but he will try to make peace first.
Cha
(295,929 posts)"de Blasio knows how to fight back so he will when the funerals are over but he will try to make peace first."
Mahalo hrmjustin
cwydro
(51,308 posts)the heat (pun intended).
He is the perfect person to be mayor at this time.
But, it won't be easy for him. I hope Bratton works with him.
Cha
(295,929 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Follow
First they kill Eric Garner, now they want a democratically elected mayor ousted.
It's 'Protect and Serve', NYPD, not 'Kill and Subvert'.
3:59 PM - 27 Dec 2014 51 Retweets 30 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/27/2014-hopefruits-most-memorable-moments/
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Skittles
(152,967 posts)Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)could you folks in NYC tell us how the local citizenry feels about all this and particularly the police turning their backs on the mayor. Thanks.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Love that picture, dad hugs his sweet son.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)their antics are simply disgraceful
vankuria
(901 posts)and his family. How dare they deflect attention from funeral services and make this about them? Whatever arguments they have with the mayor, they showed extremely poor judgment to use the funeral services to make a political statement. Shame on them!
Cha
(295,929 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)those on the right backing these antics should be condemned as well
FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)with racism and 1st amendment protest rights.
Anyone know about that as a reason for the cops to turn their backs?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)We can start with their murderous ways and work our way down to the complete lack of respect for the communities they police even though it is all part of the same issue.
Cha
(295,929 posts)The guys with the guns need our sympathy? My 1'st run in with a cop convinced me 100% they are out of control ego maniacs. The bullies in school, now have a legitimate career path. I'm not saying there are all like that because there have been a couple of cool ones, but these shit heads make it bad for the rest of them.
mopinko
(69,809 posts)older sister had a bf that dad couldnt stand. she eventually met someone else. he went on to become a cop. this was 50 years ago.
dad said- he just wanted that gun. and to push people around.
thought that way about cops ever since. have yet to have an experience to the contrary. and that includes many times when my white privilege, and back in the day my girlish good looks, gave me a free pass.
is a very smart man and sounds like a great dad. I hope I can be like that for my little girl.
mopinko
(69,809 posts)he was a good many in many ways, but had the irish disease.
it took my almost 60 years to really appreciate him, and what he did give me.
i hope my kids get that old.
i am sure your little girl will be fine, tho. just remember to treat her mother as you would want her treated.
good luck.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)instead of at that other website.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Man if I had a nickel.
So it's "right-wing" to support the police, the unionization of the police, and weeding out bad cops from all the good cops and not using broad brushes?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)towards "those" people.
NYC cops think every police shooting is justified--especially if the victim is black.
They view themselves as above the law itself.
They need to be taken down a few pegs.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)has a sig line about the right to bear arms.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)social security, etc.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)I have never made either of those accusations. Stop with the lies.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)he is every bit as bad as Bush.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101612856#post1
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I would tell you to take what's left of your credibility and retreat, but too late for that.
Rex
(65,616 posts)But but but they are just misunderstood.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)2 posts in the last 90 days. One of the awesome contributions?: "FYI 4Chan = Anonymous". Trust me, I don't think that poster was posting there in good faith.
But I'm more interested in your motive to tie this poster to a feminist group on DU: "most frequently posting in History of Feminism". Care to explain exactly why you would do this or why you would consider a frequent poster there an issue to begin with?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Which has been known to happen.
Rex
(65,616 posts)stir shit on this site and get away with it. It is almost comical watching 'control freaks' or whatever they are - implode over the last few months.
I think they are coming unraveled.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Did he cut their pay or dictate new working conditions?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Your talking about cops with a union that guarantees pension, no jail time for officers, and relocation in worst case scenarios?
Shit I wish my union could do that when I kill somebody, wait a minute there is no union I can apply too.
WTF?
Indydem
(2,642 posts)No he did not. The police banded together and organized it.
I have no idea how in the world the DEMOCRATICunderground is now a place where unions get shit on and police officers are painted with the widest brush of corruption that is usually reserved for Wall Street.
DeBlasio is a screw up. His statement after the cops in the Garner killing weren't indicted is so mealy mouthed and parsed as to be disgusting. He could have condemned the actions of the officers and praised the NYPD as a whole and he failed to even try to be anything but condemning.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Further proving my point.
I think you need to take a nap and some critical thinking classes.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)That the "been the mayor for 5 minutes" mayor doesn't need to support the police because they have each other and their union?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)5 minutes is a small amount if time to destroy or shore up anything.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The office of Mayor is a reflection of the will of the electorate. What the police (employees) did in their demonstration was show their contempt for the will of the people, the democratically elected civil authority.
It's all right wing bullshit anyway. The police know full well the Mayor's words didn't cause a fucking problem. They are just being led around by the nose by the massively powerful right wing forces that exist in this nation. Someday these same police will be very sorry for contributing to this bullshit. I hope they remember back to what the nation used to be like before the Fascists took over.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This causes those rightwing authoritarian assholes to throw temper tantrums. Their apologists follow suit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)At least you've dropped the extreme left winger persona you had maintained, in favor of this copologism.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)figures (one of Rudy's people)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Many poor and honest and brave persons did this. They who labored, most coming here to build America, some forcibly brought here
many to their own demise
all for fair labor standards "gave" them that union. It's besides the point of their turning their backs on this mayor and demanding he step down.
Civil servants are not meant to be anything else, certainly what you have indicated in this instance.
Unions are not the issue here
It's the blatant disregard for how under law, THE law is to serve, not be act above the rule of order and disregard for the law.
DeBlasio didn't screw up. You just didn't dig what he had to say.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)Find one word in the entire statement that praises the NYPD.
Find one word that isn't a blanket condemnation of thousands of police who had nothing to do with Garner's murder.
Find one word that takes responsibility for the fact it's deBlasio's policies that have cops out arresting people for selling "untaxed cigarettes."
Show me.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Praises the NYPD!? Have you seen their union? You want praise on top of that!?
Let's see, the last time on national media that someone was caught selling "untaxed cigarettes." he was killed,....by the cops.
dogman
(6,073 posts)I read the statement and fail to recognize anything you wrote in that statement. It called for recognition and resolution of a serious problem. The only implication of thousands of police is the obvious though unstated fact that they need to follow the advice given to the Ferguson protesters by the police. Be aware of and step away from those who would do wrong.
Cha
(295,929 posts)authority but they act like prepubescent bullies at the funeral for Raphael Ramos and Wenjian Liu. Disrespecting them by politicizing their funeral. They show no respect but want everyone to bow down to them.
Mayor De Blasio told the truth.. the NYPD can't handle the truth.
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By turning their backs to @BilldeBlasio the #NYPD is confirming everything we know to be true about that gang. #unbelievable
7:04 AM - 27 Dec 2014 70 Retweets 33 favorites
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)What part of it is incorrect?
The Garner case isn't about loose cigarettes. The statement doesn't praise the NYPD because it's about police reform, which is long overdue, better police-community relations, also long overdue, and peaceful protest in light of the Grand Jury decision. In part, it is designed to show empathy for the family and curb the urge for violence bubbling in some people. Not exactly a time to praise a police force that "trained" two police officers to kill an unarmed innocent man in the Pink Houses and another guy to use a discredited technique in restraining a suspect who may have committed a misdemeanor.
I take offense at your personal attack on the Mayor, a Progressive Democrat, one of us and one of the most pro-Union people in this town. It smacks of the kind of crass opportunism embodied by Patrick Lynch and his conservative, thin blue line brigade. It is hard to support a union brother when he's threatening you over the right to kill suspects of color. That's why many of us have mixed emotions about the police and their role in the community.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)No one is more pro labor than me.
To rein in the injustice we must be allowed an indictment of officers that clearly appear to be guilty. You can't continue to ignore this shit. Look at the number of cases nation wide. This is ridiculous.
Are we gonna be a Fascist nation? Are we? Cops must be accountable.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)From my post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026011283
So many are using blankets here. I keep hearing that. Bull effing s**t
You said?
'
WTF!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Either we have justice for all or we don't have real justice.
Rex
(65,616 posts)We don't have (and haven't had for a long time now) real justice in America.
Marr
(20,317 posts)the public's representatives, even at moments when they've earned criticism? Bankers, maybe... but that's about it.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I'm sick of this cop-apologist nonsense
Rand? Rand Paul? Is that you? How could the rest of us miss what you so brilliantly pointed out. It was the policies of Mayor deBlasio - the high taxes on cigarettes that caused the death of Mr. Garner! (sarcasm)
The desperation to defend authority at all costs sure makes some look foolish on a progressive site.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)they are above the law. Above the chain of command. Above protocol at funerals. And above humbly honoring someone's memory at a funeral.
Fuck them all.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Follow
By turning their backs to @BilldeBlasio the #NYPD is confirming everything we know to be true about that gang. #unbelievable
7:04 AM - 27 Dec 2014 70 Retweets 33 favorites
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I feel bad about what I said earlier, 'fuck them all.' I don't mean that. It was in a fit of anger. I pray for decreasing of tension. And for respect toward all in New York City. I hope you enjoy a great evening. Mahalo.
Cha
(295,929 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)as another member posted, "you have to earn respect; you can't enforce it"
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Respect is earned. I hope you enjoy a good evening. I hope these tensions will decrease. We're all brothers and sisters on this planet.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)when the demonstrations return. This movement is not going to be quelled. Voices for justice will not be silenced.
Cha
(295,929 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)The original poster is the root of this problem? Then I must be too.
I support the mayor of New York City. Those police were disrespectful toward the victim of the crime and toward the people who pay their salaries to protect and serve them. They should not throw pissant hissy fits at funerals. If I were the mayor I'd fire all their sorry asses and get police who can respect the public.
Lovemydog is also the root of this problem!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)you're funny ... funny how?
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)JDDavis
(725 posts)He didn't get away with murder, or come to the defense of someone who did.
Thousands of police who think killing a citizen for selling cigarettes illegally is fine police work, those people are a problem.
I'm waiting for police to speak up about that despicable murder...I'm not seeing many people on the police force doing that.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It was a piss poor piece of police work.
JDDavis
(725 posts)and dynamics here.
As in Ferguson, and other locations, what seems to piss off police is their being confronted with that unbalanced element of police mistreatment of people from minorities.
We expect all our public servants to act like adults. Today, a large element of the NYPD didn't act like adults.
By contrast he mayor of NYC has always acted as a responsible and respectful adult with regard to these issues. His public remarks at the funeral today bear that out as well. Police, not so much.
Then you have Giuliani flame-baiting over race, and lying about what Obama has been saying since Ferguson, with free air time all Giuliani wants on Faux Noose, cheered on by the racist regulars which is all the Fear News station has to sell their viewers.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It's all about race. But not really. The racism is just a tool. A means to an end. A way to further the slow motion coop. Looks like things are ready to speed up. This looks like something right out of the Nazi playbook. Since the 2008 election Faux and the rest have been fanning the flames of racism.
JDDavis
(725 posts)"welfare queens in Cadillacs", your memory goes back that far, (perhaps you are younger than me).
Faux Noose has been fanning those flames for many years, at least to Obama's first campaign and Reverend Wright.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I remember all those Reagan assertions. The idiots sucked that right up. This population is so gullible. Reagan was the perfect president for their goals. An actor.
But the racist angle is being ramped up. This much is clear.
JDDavis
(725 posts)But the racist angle is being ramped up
Well, we didn't have mobile phone video of a policeman strangling an unarmed black man to death back in Reagan's days, although, I'm pretty sure, there were murders of unarmed minority folks by police back then as well.
We didn't have Faux Noose back then in Reagan's days either, or Rudy, or all the other Republican race-baiters on TV 24/7/365
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)very few have spoke up.
The display today, where they turned their backs on the mayor, was distressing.
Opening admitting that they just don't get it, and just don't care.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)JDDavis
(725 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)right if not a little more right.... But NYPD is getting the shit kick out of them on Huffington.....
JDDavis
(725 posts)Yes, about 99% of the comments are pro DeBlasio and from folks disgusted with police actions today.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Shane Shepherd · Top Commenter
This kind of school yard pettiness just makes me agree with the Mayor even more that certain reforms and better community policing are badly needed in the NYPD
Danny Clampet · Top Commenter · University of Kentucky
Exactly! Those who demonstrated at the funeral are bullies who do not respect the mayor, the public or their fallen comrade and his family. They feel they are above all civilians, those in authority and those they supposedly serve.
Anne Arthur · Top Commenter · Portland, Oregon
I agree. They want respect, but too many act like immature children. This is not the way to instill public trust or respect into their judgments or behaviors. If they want respect, the good officers are going to have to 'out' the problematic officers. And the union needs to stop protecting the officers that hurt the organization as a whole.
This is really heartening! For sanity's sake. The NYPD wanted the Protestors to stop out of respect for Officers Ramos and Liu But, they cannot bring themselves to show the same respect they ask of others. Hypocrite thy name is NYPD.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)for all of us.
dawg
(10,610 posts)People are saying that he "failed" to say good things about the NYPD.
What, we've got to kiss their asses every time they are mentioned? IMHO, that sense of entitlement is a big part of the problem.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Response to napkinz (Original post)
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(16,178 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Looks like my suspicion was correct and the jury was horribly wrong.
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Cha
(295,929 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)They're always whining that if only black folks knew how to act the police wouldn't have to kill them. So deblasio tells his son how to act around the police and they're mad at that. What do they want from black folks?
stage left
(2,934 posts)He has nothing to apologize for. Neither do protestors. Advocating police accountability is not advocating the murder of police.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)and pursue the most vigorous change that the NYPD have ever seen.
#westandwithmayorblasio
napkinz
(17,199 posts)... and they DESPISE any talk of reform
Change MUST come. These officers are out of control.
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