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I would like to draw a distinction here between racism and tribalism. Tribalism is a better description of our group psychosis.
In our societies, people are conditioned along tribal lines. I use the word tribalism because racism presupposes that there is more than one race of people on this planet. That is just another lie that we live with. There is only one race of people, the human race. We all belong to it. The drawing of artificial distinctions among people, and skin color is the most artificial of all, is the result of tribal conditioning. Tribes attempt to ensure the survival of people who look like them, act like them, smell like them, talk like them, or believe like them at the cost of any other segment of humanity. A tribal mentality divides people into opposites, black and white, French and English, rich and poor, Muslim and Christian, or any other unconscious way that divisions can be made. Only in the example of language and religion are the differences more than superficial, although still not meaningful.
-- Dr. Rubin Hurricane Carter; Eye of the Hurricane; Lawrence Hill Books; 2011; pages 113 - 114.
The discussion of certain topics on DU:GD tends to result in arguments and hostility. These topics include the -isms, such as racism and sexism. In part, the disagreements are rooted in the models that people use to define these issues. Those models have an impact upon the way various individuals perceive and experience the world around them. Too often, of course, these result in an us versus them concept of the larger society.
The behaviors associated with those perceptions and experiences may change over time, but their flavor is often identical. For example, Eugene Bull Connor was the poster boy for the violence that grows from hatred in the south in the 1960s; while Patrick Buchanan was a White House fixture in the 1970s and 80s. Yet both were motivated by the thought that non-white people were intent upon becoming full citizens of the United States. Each projected their personal pathologies upon non-white people, and were haunted by their own paranoid delusions that white folks would be victimized.
The model that Rubin used to understand both group and individual behaviors was tribalism. His second book addresses this in the above quote. He spoke at length about it at two of the public presentations that I was with him for ( Colgate University on February 27, 2001, and Binghamton University on April 25, 2001). I think that it has value, although it will not replace the various concepts of racism that different people use.
In part, I suspect, his perceptions were based upon his being incarcerated for 20 years. I remember that Malcolm X often said that prisons were second only to universities, in offering an opportunity for education. Not surprisingly, our nations prison-industrial complex provides a somewhat different view of the phenomena of racism than even a university department that studies prisons adheres to.
This does not mean that one is right and another is wrong. Just the opposite. For there are often more than one way of understanding any human behavior -- especially those with long and ingrained histories. Likewise, some beliefs are simply wrong. For example, I recently read parts of a discussion about racism on another internet site. One gentleman insisted that Native Americans had a long history of racism, before 1492. Sad that anyone would publicly reveal such gross ignorance; pathetic that he believes that nonsense.
Rubin used to say that there five large tribes: black, brown, red, yellow, and white. Each of these larger tribes contains numerous sub-tribes; for example, the English, French, and Germans. At various times, these sub-tribes go to war with one another -- WW1 and WW2 being obvious examples. Yet, he noted, if a non-white tribe was in conflict with any one of the white sub-tribes, the whites tended to unite to protect their own.
The larger white tribe would dominate the globe for many years, in large part by dividing and conquering the various non-white peoples of the earth. And the history of the last few centuries clearly supports that. The actual history of the conflict in Vietnam, if we consider it from WW2 on, provides an interesting example of how that process worked -- at least for a while.
The tragic, and often confusing conflicts that we witness around the globe today are often rooted in tribal and sub-tribal identifications. The post-WW1 and WW2 maps that were drawn exist primary in peoples minds. Like race, they are not realities in the natural world, and quite simply do not exist anywhere outside of peoples minds.
Is there racism in America today? Yes, of course. It is entrenched deep within the minds of many human beings. That race is a construct that exists only in some peoples minds, does not reduce the terrible damage that racism does. And that is true, even when racism becomes more institutionalized in our society, and racists believe themselves more sophisticated than old Bull Connor.
Perhaps one advantage of using the model of tribalism is that it might allow us the opportunity to move more people beyond accepting the group psychosis that Rubin spoke of. It might allow people of good will the chance to identify the causes of some of the inequalities that exist in the United States today, when we face problems so profound -- such as climate change -- that we no longer have the luxury of remaining invested in, or victims of, racism
.or any of the other -isms that are a product of diseased thinking.
Peace,
H2O Man
Igel
(35,191 posts)It's sort of not what you'd expect.
If you show subjects footage of sports teams with black and white players and with male and female players you'd think people would notice what's important. It's important that the teams *not* be known to the subjects.
Depending how you ask questions about the events during game play, the subjects' answers indicate with race, sex, or team colors (red/blue, green/yellow).
They default to team colors. In other words they "don't see" race when team membership is important, and that's usually what's important during a game. In fact, if you ask the race of the person who did a specific act they usually don't know or randomly guess unless you set them up to notice. Race is not something that we automatically take note of.
However, subjects typically still notice if it was a man or a woman, even if they're been set up to focus on team colors. Sex is something that we seem to automatically pay attention to.
"Sex" is the first thing that people notice -- consciously or unconsciously -- from the time we are infants. That's built in us.
I do remember, back in 1976, watching the Olympics. I was watching the boxing competition, while in a red-neck bar. Ray Leonard was fighting a Russian, and one fellow with a group of friends yelled out, "Kill the __igger!" I remember thinking how stupid that was, coming from a jackass who likely identified himself as "patriotic."
Strange species, human beings are. Some so much so, that it can be difficult to accept that we are all human.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The benefit of it is that tribalism is pretty common - even if it's not broken down in terms of race or ethnicity. It is rooted, to a certain extent, in the denial of humanity to people outside the tribe or in the other tribe (if you believe yourself to be in conflict). Someone in the other tribe is of little to no value, and is worthy of little to no respect - they just aren't worthwhile.
That said, the area where this analysis falls down a bit is on the power equation of tribalism. Tribalism is rarely a good thing, particularly when it denigrates people outside your tribe. But in the case of the "white tribe" we hold more power in society - socially, economically, politically - so when we engage in tribal thinking we have a lot more potential to hurt those we designate as other.
Bryant
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)can never harness "good" power, when it defines those who are "other" as of less value, thus having less rights.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Aren't those a form of tribalism? And if not, why not?
Bryant
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I agree that when tribes define the others as lesser or inferior there's nothing positive that can come from that.
Bryant
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)I wasn't sure what you meant, thus how to respond. But it did make me think of something that might be kind of related.
I live in rural, upstate New York. Our state is divided in eight divisions, for high school sports. Now, in our area (Section 4), many people take a lot of pride in their high school teams in, for example, football and basketball. Some of those schools have long traditions of talented teams. And that, in and of itself, is a good thing. (Some people might take it a little too serious, in my opinion, but that's fine.)
Generally, the community from "team A" gets along well with those from "team B." People tend to have relatives in the various communities, or friends from the workplace. But from time to time, there are a few who act hostile towards another town's team and/or fans. There are some examples of where long-standing grudges are the tradition! Even to the point where the police are at times called, or show up because they know trouble is likely. Yet, when one local team goes on to the regionals or states at the end of the season, usually a lot of fans from the area go to cheer them on.
Hence, we can see that, even with some good aspects of "community pride," there are still some potential problems. And those problems can raise their heads in very negative ways. Over the decades that I've enjoyed high school sports, I've seen a troubling increase in violence associated with "fans." At times, it might be a parent who expects their child to be a star (or THE star). Or, at a wrestling tournament a few years back, fans and even coaches ended up out in the parking lot for a brawl.
More, both kids and adults will, at times, target an opponent, including well after the sports season. I can think of a half-dozen incidents from our area, over the past decade, that have included serious physical assaults. Now, this isn't "scientific," and I haven't done anything close to a formal study -- but in each of these cases, it involved white people attacking a non-white boy or girl.
That's so wrong, on so many levels. I say that, not only as the uncle of a student athlete who was viciously assaulted by a racist hate group, but as a human being.
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)The concept of 'the other' seems to be often overlooked or ignored.
From Wiki:
...a mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphismsin short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)Rubin often quoted from Ouspensky and Ibsen regarding "ageing truths":
"All the truths belonging to the majority are like ancient rancid bacon or like rotten green ham; and from them comes all the moral scurvy which is eating itself into the life of the people around us."
Baitball Blogger
(46,575 posts)In other words, groups may associate with people that look like them. That, alone, falls within the definition of racism if the desire of that tribe is to game the system for their own benefit.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Because the Straight Tribe would never discriminate against the Gay Tribe. Because the members of one religion would never seek to oppress members of the other religion who look like them, that would never ever happen!
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)Sexual orientation leads right into gender and gender identity as well. Far too large of a topic for the OP's article, which is deliberately limited in scope, but still interesting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)grasp of the topic. I think what I am saying is pretty much what Carter is saying. People divide into tribes which are along socially constructed and often artificial lines not all of which have to do with physical characteristics.
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)Rubin included the pathological violence that has targeted people for being gay. I believe it is an important part of the larger sex-ism. I don't think an individual can be unhealthy in this area, yet be healthy in other areas -- for example, a man who hates gay men isn't going to have a respectful attitude towards women.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)H2O Man
(73,321 posts)Not that it matters; just curious.
I am not claiming this OP represents "THE truth" .... just a corner of it.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)I believe your OP pronounces a major truth that should be heralded.
"There is only one race, the human one."
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)Rubin was a brilliant thinker.
It is curious, the hatred between two closely-related groups of human beings in the Middle East. That hatred can upset the entire world, if it continues on the path it is presently on. (I do think events in the Ukraine are more likely to upset the apple cart; it has the potential to be the fuse that sets off a powder keg of global violence. No matter -- all of it is troubling.)
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Assassination and will cause the parties to take a major step back, allow cooler heads to prevail and some form of peace agreement to be reached.
The world has too much to lose in allowing this situation to escalate, even more so than in 1914, bloody as that became.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Groups, or perceived groups, protecting themselves from the Other Guys. Saw something a few days ago wherein people are easily convinced to agree with and defend members of their perceived group, regardless of whether the member was actually "right."
It's short-sightedness, basically. There is one group. We are all in it.
We do ourselves a lot of harm glomming on to group identity and hacking at each other over that instead of trying to figure what might actually work best for all of us.
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)As difficult as it may be, we have to admit that we are all of the human race.
Thank you for your contribution to this discussion.
"Group psychology" is a fascinating subject. I remember that The Beatles quit touring, after Lennon had a clear vision of the nature of a crowd as a "being." It's fascinating to view how individuals can lose any sense of personal responsibility, if they are within a crowd. Not only "covering" for another group/crowd member when they are wrong -- a very important point you make -- but also, to engage in "wrong" behavior themselves.
redqueen
(115,096 posts)H2O Man
(73,321 posts)(at least to me) :
The police were looking for a man with light-brown skin, 6' tall, thin, with no facial hair, who was wearing a dark-colored business suit. and no hat. They eventually "found" Rubin, who was 5' 8" tall, heavy-set, jet black, with a thick Fu Manchu and goatee; he was wearing a light-colored outfit, with his favorite hat. Although the lead investigator would testify that Rubin "didn't even remotely" fit the description of the gunman -- indeed, two shooting victims said it was definitely NOT him, with one able to ID the actual killer -- that same detective would later claim the description "fit" rubin.
That detective claimed that Rubin was the racist. He said that a black man who Carter had never met was murdered the previous day, and that Rubin was a rabid, mad-dog racist murderer, who vented his rage on four innocent people. (There was no evidence -- ZERO -- presented to support the claim that Rubin hated any white person, much less all of them. Quite the contrary.)
Our society too often has its mind incarcerated in the prison of hatred.
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