If You Can't See The Similarities in This..

[Cha]

TOD

[rdharma]

1. Refusal of services.....

Reminds me of the Woolworth lunch counters in the south.

[Cha]

3. And, here we are in the 21st Freaking Century with the AZ teabaggers

disgracing their state.

[rdharma]

11. "Bonefinger" will veto.........

Not because she's a good person..... but because she can read the political tea leaves if she doesn't.

[Cha]

14. That's totally my take, rdharma

[freshwest]

2. I can't see the pictures, but I can read the text...

Of subhuman mongrels and keeping away the gay

By Liberal Librarian

Well, we’ve certainly been treated to a meltdown in what passes for the Right in this country in the age of Obama.

The examples are legion. Obama’s election, a moment seen by many of us as a signal achievement, also brought out, well, the lunatics who saw their country falling away from them. From Joe “You Lie” Wilson to “Second Amendment solutions”, we’ve had almost six years of increasingly unhinged rhetoric, rhetoric which was once confined to the purview of Aryan Nations—or Ron Paul—newsletters.

Imagine, if you will, if Bruce Springsteen had called George W. Bush “a subhuman cowboy”. Even The Boss might not have been popular enough to withstand the torrent of opprobrium.

And yet, here we have belle of the right wing ball, Ted Nugent, calling President Obama a “subhuman mongrel,” with the man whom he was supporting, Republican candidate for governor of Texas Greg Abbott, not casting him aside with the morning’s recycling. Nugent “apologized”, not for the content of his remarks, but because it embarrassed his friend Abbott (who, again, showed no signs of being embarrassed).

It gets even better at the link. I don't know if TOD has a copyright restriction, so I'm keeping to 4 paragraphs. I suggest those who want more from Liberal Librarian (one of the best posters there) go to:

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/02/25/of-subhuman-mongrels-and-keeping-away-the-gay/

It's near the top and may stay that way for most of today. After that, I always lose them.

[Cha]

4. Thank you, freshwest!

What do you mean you can't see the pictures?

[freshwest]

19. I'm guessing there's a picture in the OP, but they don't show up for me anymore. I'm not on Twitter.

[Cha]

21. There is a graphic in the OP.. but, I

don't understand why your computer wouldn't show it and what that would have to do with "not being on Twitter"? I'm not on Twitter, either.

[freshwest]

40. Well, now I see it below TOD although I thought it would have been above it.

I read and scan OPs quickly and scrolled too fast for it to load, I guess! I only give a second to OPs without a lot of text that I can read quickly.

IDK why, but EarlG's images show up immediately for me,, but there are a lot of OPs now that as I scroll down, there is no image. No matter if I come back to check, they are not there as I'm zooming past.

Sheshe suggested it was because of Twitter. Just my browsing habits, I go too fast. My mind goes much faster than the computer does and if I don't see it as soon as the text, i assume something is wrong.

It looks like AZ is getting a lot of pushback from some of the GOP and business community. I read one piece that said how was the owner going to know someone is gay or not?

As if they had nothing better to do in AZ. Some really awful links now between the AFA and Russia and all of that. I'm so sick of this RWNJ crap!

[Cha]

42. I see now.. On my old laptop it took awhile for a graphic to appear.. now everything is instant!

And, yes there is tons of pushback against the slime AZ legislators!

Apple to Arizona: Anti-gay bill puts Mesa sapphire plant at risk

Apple (AAPL) confirmed Monday that it has urged Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer to veto a bill that would allow business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to deny service to gays and lesbians.

Since the Arizona statehouse passed the measure last Thursday, Gov. Brewer has faced growing pressure to kill the bill that opponents characterize as "state-sanctioned discrimination."

Three state senators who voted for the bill are now asking her to veto it. So are Arizona's two U.S. Senators: John McCain and Jeff Flake, both Republicans. American Airlines (AAL) and Marriott (MAR) have warned that an anti-gay law could be bad for business.

We don't know who at Apple phoned the Governor, or what exactly was said. But it was only last November that Tim Cook announced that Apple was building a sapphire glass plant in Mesa, AZ, that would bring 2,000 new jobs to the state.

n2doc http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014738019

[freshwest]

54. Yeah, I think the DU server is slow at times. And WTG, Apple! I think she'll veto it. n/t

[saidsimplesimon]

44. freshwest, I understand.

For me it is not a balance between security and privacy. There is nothing of interest in the pic, or other communications outside my imagination,

Some of US, on principle, attempt to make it difficult for our data collectors. Some of US have providers who deny stalking cookies, etc. Others have providers who pick and choose what you see, and what you do not.

[freshwest]

47. I also have my browser set to high alert and all videos, ads and pictures are manually permitted.

Twitter and Facebook do follow one around, but Google does too, and it's impossible to use DU search without allowing it. I only allow them to upload to my computer on a case by case basis, except for some of DU. It means I miss out on some content and only have allowed some websites to get access. I'm very restrictive and have never had a virus. Fingers crossed, though, don't want to tempt Fate.

[1awake]

5. Im sorry but I dont see how

religious beliefs conflict with serving a customer. It doesn't in fact, and is embarrassing and ridiculous.

[Cha]

6. They don't have to be sane.. just scream "religious beliefs" and

they think they're good to know. Problem is.. their religious is Greed, Racism, and Bigotry.

[Scootaloo]

103. Religious beliefs are rarely bound to such things as "logic"

I mean take the basic premise of this one here.

God created a person in a garden, then yanked a rib out of the person to make another person wh was female. They wander around the garden, until a talking snake convinces the female to eat the magic fruit that God put right there to be all like "this is super magic fruit but don't eat because boojum boojum boojum!" so she chows down, passes some to her boyfrien, and the first thing they nitice was "holy shit our crotches are showing!" And because of this mankind is cursed ot suffer through life only to be cast into an eternity of anguish in the afterlife, unless we accept the immortal being's sacrificing itself to itself in order to alleviate a curse that it levie and wouldn't have been a problem in the first place if he weren't such a dick.

If you can believe that with a straight face, everything else must come pretty easily.

[ctsnowman]

104. lol

and 100 Billions years was letting em off too easy... it has to be eternity.

[rhett o rick]

7. k&r thanks for posting. nm

[Cha]

8. You're Welcome, rhett~

[Behind the Aegis]

9. Unethical moron, indeed.

All I can think is how would I feel if I were with my family and they denied me service in front of my mother, father, and brothers. Of course, if that happened, I would be on DU within minutes asking for a donation to my mother's bail because she jumped the counter and promptly kicked the shit out of the person who denied me service because I was gay.

[Cha]

12. And, we would be

forthcoming with the dinero, BtA!

Gov Brewer has herself a quandary.. does she satisfy the AZ teabaggers' blood lust for bigotry or does she do the sane thing for human rights and the State of AZ?

As seen in the window of Rocco's Little Chicago Pizzeria in Tucson, Arizona in reaction to the bigoted anti-LGBT bill passed by the Arizona legislature.

Veto or Boycott. Period

.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. She won't do it because it is the right/ethical thing to do...

...she'll do it because it will hurt the economy. Y'know, the green! The sad thing is, there will be more of this coming our way, and they will get more clever in how they do it.

[Cha]

20. And, we will slam their "cleverness" back in

their bigoted, ugly smug, collective face! Bam!

[okaawhatever]

24. If you want to know how you'd feel ask any elderly black person, especially anyone who lives in the

South. You might also ask them how hard it was for them to just accept it because protesting really wasn't an option.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. I already know how it feels.

[okaawhatever]

45. Oh, so you've already felt the implications of this draconian law first hand? That sucks. Sorry 2

hear it. At least now people are speaking out to stop 5hit like this. Hopefully we'll see bigotry end in our lifetimes.

[Behind the Aegis]

63. Gay people have been at the end of a variety different anti-gay laws.

Thanks for your "concern."

[okaawhatever]

69. Clearly I'm aware of the anti-gay sentiment and laws, but I didn't think refusing people service

in a place of business was an issue. Sure, I know the bigots would do what bigots do but I didn't think they would come right out in a business and say basically "you look gay, you can't buy a cake here." I thought that was one of the reasons the woman who did that sparked the legal challenge. I know it's a problem in a more subtle way, nasty looks, making someone wait longer than other customers, that sort of thing but of all the problems gays faced I wasn't aware that was one of them. I'm not trying minimize the problem, I'm just surprised I learned of a problem I wasn't aware of before.

[Behind the Aegis]

71. Long before these laws we coming into play, it was already happening.

It just wasn't at a legislative level.

As president of the gay student organization, I was refused service more times than I count. They simply would not do business with a "homosexual group." The year before I took over as president, someone took a "roll" of people at one of our meetings and PUBLISHED it. Several people reported not being served at restaurants, who are allowed to "refuse service" for any reason, even unstated.

Years later, I was serving as the advisor of a gay student organization, we were refused service at a t-shirt place, as well as a catering company. The upside to that was the university threatened to pull all of their accounts and make them persona non grata if they refused our business. The downside, the fucked up our order.

Also, if you look just a bit further down, you will see I had a near "hit" years ago when I was going to a Cracker Barrel with my grandparents. So, yes, this has been happening for a LONG time, just not at a legislative level.

[sheshe2]

72. I think I like your mother a lot~ nt

[Behind the Aegis]

73. She's 5'3" and 63, but you don't mess with her babies...and I am 44!

She is an awesome woman. She is why when someone says "women are the weaker sex", I always think, "they haven't met my momma!"

[sheshe2]

78. Nope, you never mess with a woman or a mother.

You do, and you will lose every time.

I am a few inches taller and a few years younger than your momma, no children. Yet if you mess with my adored nieces well, there will be hell to pay!

We got your back, Behind the Aegis, as you do ours!

[napkinz]

10. and ...

[Cha]

18. Wow, napkinz.. I bow humbly to your Graphic Gatheriing

Brilliance! PROPS!

I love the Flag..



And, what a whole hell of a lot of bigots in AZ.. one of my for states that I spent some good years. I can imagine the loving people in AZ are horrified!

[Hekate]

106. "Ethnic" names on that list of AZ legislators include Irish, Italian and Chinese

Do they imagine their ancestors would be proud of them in this moment? Or do they think homophobia trumps racism?

Arizona's legislators should be made to feel so ashamed they will dread to come out in public.

When I first heard this news, my immediate thought was of the lunch counter sit-ins and the "Mrs. Murphy's boarding house" argument. Yes, America, we have already had this fight and settled it.

[one_voice]

13. k&r

moving backward. It's disgusting.

My question is how do they know you're gay--you know in order to refuse you service? Are they going to ask every time 2 women/2men come in together?

[Behind the Aegis]

17. My guess is they would assume if the person was gay or not.

People like me would be screwed (dead people know I am gay). I faced this back in the day when Cracker Barrel was doing something similar. They would throw out gay people, and it did happen. I was with my grandparents and we stopped at a CB. I was so scared because I was out to them at the time. If something would have happened, chances are Nanny would had to hold back my grandfather. Thankfully, it was too crowded and we left.

[Cha]

26. I'm so sorry you had to

have that kind of apprehension at a CB, BtA!

[Behind the Aegis]

74. It was nerve wracking, to say the least.

Of course, that was the trip where I told my aunt I was gay, and my grandmother, while we were getting smashed in a casino in the Bahamas, announced she knew I was gay and outed me to me grandfather the night before. My grandfather's response: he's my grandson. That's all that matters. My grandmother tried to set me up with the Roulette dealer, until she realized I was hooking up the lead dancer from the cabaret show.

[Cha]

83. What a Journey! Your grandmother would have indeed

pounced on anyone at CB who had an attitude.

[ZombieHorde]

32. That is a really sad story.

I'm sorry.

[one_voice]

36. That's horrible...

Seems we're going backward.

[Behind the Aegis]

67. In places, we certainly are.

I think it is going to get worse before it gets better, and it is because I believe they are desperate and will start lashing out at us. Some things are infinitely better. I know things for Jews are somewhat better. My dad and grandfather used to tell us what it was like being a Jew 'back in the day.' Of course, not a few years ago, I was stopped by one of those hate parade fucks and when they found I was Jew, as well as gay, boy did it get nasty. I got some great pics though!

[Cha]

25. I was wondering that too, one_voice. Not just couples but

what would they do.. scrutinize everybody for signs of being Gay?

Oh, what a rat's nest they've created for themselves.

[one_voice]

37. Oh yeah...

I was figuring just couples.

Didn't even think of individuals. Some reason it makes me think of 'you look like a Jew'....Jesus that kind of stuff makes my skin crawl.

I'm not generally a violent person, but could easily see myself getting physical if I witnessed something like that.

[Cha]

39. It would be an ugly place to be in if some business

had a Discrimination sign in their window.

[sheshe2]

16. kick for now, Cha.

At work.

[Cha]

22. You're funny.. I use to do that, too..

especially during election times. They were pretty understanding.

sheshe

[sheshe2]

77. LOL~

You do what you have to do.

Excellent OP. We need to keep the pressure on AZ, I think she will veto. NOT because it's the right thing but because of the money lost. Greedy soulless person that she is.

I am sick of seeing the bible being used for the promotion of bigotry.

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Stop waving your interpretation of the bible in our faces. It's hateful.

Thank you Cha for the great OP!

PS when we are done in AZ we move our protest on. It's the right thing to do.

[Cha]

84. Poor AZ Legislators are so confused, she..

[Politicub]

23. K&r

[Cha]

28. Hey, Politicub..

[kitt6]

27. Refusal to serve

is a very bad thing indeed. But wait until they start creating laws just to take you out!

[Cha]

33. I thought they already had..

Stand Your Ground in Florida..

[libodem]

29. Boycott Apple

For bringing business to that bigotry pit. No Apple products!

[Cha]

35. Apple to Arizona: Anti-gay bill puts Mesa sapphire plant at risk

Apple (AAPL) confirmed Monday that it has urged Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer to veto a bill that would allow business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to deny service to gays and lesbians.

Since the Arizona statehouse passed the measure last Thursday, Gov. Brewer has faced growing pressure to kill the bill that opponents characterize as "state-sanctioned discrimination."

Three state senators who voted for the bill are now asking her to veto it. So are Arizona's two U.S. Senators: John McCain and Jeff Flake, both Republicans. American Airlines (AAL) and Marriott (MAR) have warned that an anti-gay law could be bad for business.

We don't know who at Apple phoned the Governor, or what exactly was said. But it was only last November that Tim Cook announced that Apple was building a sapphire glass plant in Mesa, AZ, that would bring 2,000 new jobs to the state.

n2doc http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014738019

So that's good, libodem..

[libodem]

41. .

I meant to answer more quickly but either the site is overloaded or my device is super slow this afternoon.

[Cha]

43. I know how that

goes~

[mercymechap]

110. Hey, wait a minute.....

before you go spreading untruths.....Apple is one of the companies that have been trying to convince Brewer to veto the bill.

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/companies-arizona-gay-bill_n_4857964.html|

[libodem]

111. We don't have to now

See how that worked.

[Loaded Liberal Dem]

30. K&R

[Cha]

46. Thanks LLD!

[NightWatcher]

31. Most who are anti gay are also anti black, anti women, anti anyone who isn't a white christian male

Feel that "Love thy neighbor" glow

[Cha]

52. Absolutely right.. they're anti-everything except feeding

their own greedy worthless self.

[IrishAyes]

38. Yep, they stepped in it this time, didn't they?

One of the earliest topics of conversation I remember from my grandfather and g-grand was about the 'No Irish Need Apply' signs so common in their earlier life - in England! That was pretty common in this country too.

[Cha]

53. So weird, IrishAyes and then we had

John Kennedy as President one day!

The AZ legislators' religion of hate is gonna BACKFIRE!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. +1. True & valid comparison. However, it's "legislator", not "legislature".

Either that, or the writer is confused about the numeracy of the noun (plural versus singular).

"You may be an Arizona Legislator (and an unethical moron)"

OR

"You may be an Arizona Legislature (and unethical morons)"

It is not uncommon for people to write "legislature" when they mean "legislator".

The Arizona State [font color = "red"]Legislature[/font] is the state legislature of the U.S. state of Arizona. It is a bicameral legislature that consists of a lower house, the House of Representatives, and an upper house, the Senate. Composed of 90 [font color = "red"]legislators[/font],

Also, it would be "similarities between this and this" because you can't have similarities in a single unit ("similarities in this&quot .

Either that or write "similarities in these:".

[Cha]

50. Ohhh, I believe you're right, Bernado! I used the term "legisators" just

a little while ago..

"And, yes there is tons of pushback against the slime AZ legislators!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4564687

Thanks Good eye

[Gothmog]

49. If Brewer does not veto this law, the Superbowl needs to be moved

This law is beyond stupid

[Cha]

56. It is so stupid, Goth.. that the only

thing it's accomplishing for the rabid-haters is making more and more people seriously considering not going to AZ with their businesses including the Super Bowl.

She has 'till Friday to Veto..

Facing heavy pressure to veto anti-gay bill, Brewer is taking her sweet time

She's been following it ... yet she's not sure what she'll do about it. Sources say Brewer is likely to veto the bill, but her delay is not exactly a profile in courage. A veto would also come after a long list of Republicans, including both of Arizona's United States senators, had urged Brewer to reject the bill, as have many business interests and the host committee of next February's Super Bowl, which will be held in the state.

But heaven forbid Brewer do anything hasty here. Even if she does veto it, she's first pretending that allowing businesses to refuse service to gay people is worth serious consideration over a period of days, rather than a swift "hell, no" right off the bat. Not exactly the strongest rejection of bigotry there.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/25/1280239/-Facing-heavy-pressure-to-veto-anti-gay-bill-Brewer-is-taking-her-sweet-time

[Gothmog]

76. I agree

I really do not understand the motivation for these laws. These laws would not survive a court challenge and will accomplish nothing

[Cha]

82. Except maybe..

throwing money$$$$$ into the coffers of the AZ legislators who are passing this bill?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

51. Brewer said she would "Do the right thing"....

As opposed to "The left thing".

[Cha]

58. Interesting take on Brewer, Spitfire..

Facing heavy pressure to veto anti-gay bill, Brewer is taking her sweet time

She's been following it ... yet she's not sure what she'll do about it. Sources say Brewer is likely to veto the bill, but her delay is not exactly a profile in courage. A veto would also come after a long list of Republicans, including both of Arizona's United States senators, had urged Brewer to reject the bill, as have many business interests and the host committee of next February's Super Bowl, which will be held in the state.

But heaven forbid Brewer do anything hasty here. Even if she does veto it, she's first pretending that allowing businesses to refuse service to gay people is worth serious consideration over a period of days, rather than a swift "hell, no" right off the bat. Not exactly the strongest rejection of bigotry there.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/25/1280239/-Facing-heavy-pressure-to-veto-anti-gay-bill-Brewer-is-taking-her-sweet-time

[Spitfire of ATJ]

81. I predict pandering and it being signed into law with her assuming the courts will overturn it.

[Cha]

86. Okay then.. You know

her better than I.

[frwrfpos]

55. DU rec

[Cha]

59. Thank you!

[TBF]

57. That is excellent Cha. K&R nt

[Cha]

60. Thank you, TBF!

[Cha]

61. Kick for those

who can't.

[Cha]

62. Coretta Scott King..

[Cha]

64. There's About to be a Traffic Problem in AZ

[Liberal_Dog]

65. K & R

[Cha]

66. Thank you, Liberal Dog!

[steve2470]

68. kick and rec ! nt

[Cha]

70. Mahalo steve!

[Nevernose]

75. What I find most ironic

Is that these so-called religious people don't want to support a "lifestyle" that goes against their beliefs. But if that were true, why aren't these people banning service to blasphemes, adulterers, liars, or any one of a hundred other categories? Because it's not about religion, it's about bigotry.

[Cha]

79. 'Zactly, Nevernose..

[Behind the Aegis]

80. Exactly...bring back the scarlet letter!

Though, men would have to be implicated as well. If I remember correctly, men could buy their way out of the letter, but women could not.

Oh, and don't forget the shrimp eaters!!!!

[Cha]

85. Worth a KICK~

[spanone]

87. another example of how far off the track the right has gone

scary ignorance

[Cha]

88. A spectacular example, spanone! And, one that is no doubt

going to come back and bite them in their pandering to hate asses.

[William769]

89. Kick & highly recommended!

[Cha]

90. Hey William~

Thank you!

[William769]

91. No.

Thank you!

[Cha]

92. You're Welcome~

And, Mahalo

[awoke_in_2003]

93. K&R...

I am an unbeliever, but how hard is it to follow the Golden Rule? Treat other how you want to be treated. Also known as respect.

[Cha]

94. I have

no religion, awoke. I believe in love and respect to take us through.

These AZ "Christian" legislators and the ones they represent believe in Lying,Hating, and Bigotry.

[awoke_in_2003]

95. I have no doubt...

you have always been respectful. I hope you don't think I questioned that.

[Cha]

96. Oh

no.. I was agreeing with you. In my funny way, no doubt. No religion.

[awoke_in_2003]

97. Good...

Sometimes I can be a little tone deaf, and worry that people don't always understand what I am trying to say.

[Cha]

99. No worries.. we

can always straighten in out.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

98. Just thought of something....

The state with the biggest hole,....

.....oh,....never mind...

[Cha]

100. A very profitable

big hole that could see a sharp downtown in business if AZ legislators like Al Melvin had their way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024566323

[mercymechap]

101. Why is it always the Republican/conservatives

that come up with such idiotic ideas/bills, and then claim they are not racist? Are they that stupid or just conniving?

[Cha]

102. they lie a lot.. as in always. It's both.

[hue]

105. Keep it K & R'd

[Cha]

108. Mahalo hue~

[Hekate]

107. Kicking again. Rec.

[Cha]

109. Mahalo, Hekate!