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H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:57 PM Jul 2013

Please Help !!! (Important)


I am hoping that DUers will assist me on the conflict described in the below quote and link. (And that my computer skills are adequate enough to allow me to copy & paste it properly.)

http://www.change.org/petitions/antero-resources-and-the-state-of-ohio-protect-native-american-archeological-burial-grounds-in-ohio-owned-by-bonds

"The property is a prospective site for shale gas exploration, drilling and extraction. The property owners have refused multiple offers to purchase or lease rights on the property to drill for shale methane gas. That is their private right. Beyond that right, the property,and specifically the portion of the property Antero Resources seeks to excavate and drill, has also been identified as a Native American Burial Mound site. In addition, evidence exists that other significant and historic anthropological findings on this site may be disrupted or destroyed if excavation and drilling are performed on the Bond property. It is in the best interests of the County, State of Ohio, and Nation, if Antero Resources, and the State of Ohio are prohibited from allowing the imposition of Eminent Domain to procure the property, or any other legal or civil action, including the voluntary sale and use of the property for excavation and drilling for the purposes Antero Resources requires to recover shale gas from this property. Specifically, no excavation below grade should be allowed, and no sub-surface drilling should be allowed which might disturb or destroy any burial sites or archological relics of whatever archeological age, on the Bond Property, for any purpose."

This information was sent to me a short time ago. I have been in communication with the Onondaga Nation, and with the Nation's attorney, this afternoon. The possibility of this leading to a federal court case is high, in my opinion.

We need as much support from the general public as possible. Please sign the petition, and -- iff possible -- send it along to other groups and individuals who may be interested.

Thank you for your support!

H2O Man
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Please Help !!! (Important) (Original Post) H2O Man Jul 2013 OP
K & R Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #1
Thank you H2O Man Jul 2013 #2
got it bigtree Jul 2013 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2013 #11
NAGPRA was upgraded under Clinton. Swamp Lover Jul 2013 #14
I agree. Hubby is an attorney liberalhistorian Jul 2013 #49
K&R Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2013 #13
K&R. Thanks for letting us know about this. n/t myrna minx Jul 2013 #5
Here's a K&R for now hootinholler Jul 2013 #6
It seems so cut and dried. kentuck Jul 2013 #7
done n/t Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #8
Okey-doke Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #9
K&R Sissyk Jul 2013 #10
Done Lochloosa Jul 2013 #12
Signed. Thanks for bringing it here. Squinch Jul 2013 #15
K&R! Thanks for posting this jazzimov Jul 2013 #16
Done and forwarded. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #17
Done. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #18
Done. n/t csziggy Jul 2013 #19
Signed. K&R ! octoberlib Jul 2013 #20
K&R zeemike Jul 2013 #21
Done. RebelOne Jul 2013 #22
Nothing I like better than signing worthy petitions. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #23
Kick, rec'd and signed! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #24
Signed and shared on FB and Archaeologyfieldwork.com bluedigger Jul 2013 #25
Done K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #26
Done mikeargo Jul 2013 #27
Signed and shared. elleng Jul 2013 #28
Done K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #29
K&R sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #30
Done. GentryDixon Jul 2013 #31
Done. Thank you. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #32
Thank you for the information, Pat Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #33
signed and shared on fb nt barbtries Jul 2013 #34
Done !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #35
Done. There is no end to their greed. eom Frustratedlady Jul 2013 #36
Signed and shared on fb. K&R, n/t ms liberty Jul 2013 #37
Done. nt mbperrin Jul 2013 #38
Done! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #39
Done! k&r Little Star Jul 2013 #40
Done G_j Jul 2013 #41
Done. nt Sienna86 Jul 2013 #42
Done! yellerpup Jul 2013 #43
Done! MoreGOPoop Jul 2013 #44
Done Auggie Jul 2013 #45
Gotcha mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #46
Done---K and R panader0 Jul 2013 #47
Signed, The Keystone is running into a refusal from the Native Americans matthews Jul 2013 #48
absofriggen'lutely! . . . . . .n/t annabanana Jul 2013 #50
K&R! I grew up in central Ohio Trailrider1951 Jul 2013 #51
Done Beringia Jul 2013 #52
K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #53
Done. Certainly. PDJane Jul 2013 #54
Done and all the other petitions on the page as well benld74 Jul 2013 #55
Check! nt dougolat Jul 2013 #56
done Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #57
Okie dokie Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2013 #58
Signed. LiberalElite Jul 2013 #59
I signed. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. eom Blanks Jul 2013 #60
Done, with pleasure. Curmudgeoness Jul 2013 #61
Signed and forwarded. n/t proReality Jul 2013 #62
kick Zorra Jul 2013 #63
They are so afraid of death that they will kill everything BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #64
Done! n/t onestepforward Jul 2013 #65
k&r... spanone Jul 2013 #66
Done! n/t mntleo2 Jul 2013 #67
I'll sign it. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #68
K&R, and signed! calimary Jul 2013 #69
Done coeur_de_lion Jul 2013 #70
K & R RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #71
done ! nt steve2470 Jul 2013 #72
K&R. Signed. Hun Joro Jul 2013 #73
done and done... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #74
Signed! n/t veness Jul 2013 #75
Done. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #76
Signed. nt cry baby Jul 2013 #77
Done! K & R --- NT AikidoSoul Jul 2013 #78
Don't know the specifics from the article, even, but eminent domain is only applicable for toby jo Jul 2013 #79
Done. K&R tishaLA Jul 2013 #80

H2O Man

(73,510 posts)
11. Thank you.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

This is stunning -- President Bush the Elder signed the Native American Burial Protection & Repatriation law 23 years ago. But I have half-expected the gas industry to try something like this.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
14. NAGPRA was upgraded under Clinton.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jul 2013

This will certainly qualify as a protected resource if it is authentic.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
49. I agree. Hubby is an attorney
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jul 2013

working in tribal law, so I will have to ask him about the specifics of the Act, but my understanding of it is that it would certainly apply in this case and that any energy company will have a fight on its hands. Given the current Congress and Supreme Court, however, I wouldn't be surprised if a way was found around it for energy corporations.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
7. It seems so cut and dried.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

No windmills above ground. No drilling at angles under the ground. It is a sacred burial ground. And anyway, we don't need it.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
16. K&R! Thanks for posting this
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jul 2013

and bringing this to our attention. Petition signed.

We need to save this site for future generations!

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
23. Nothing I like better than signing worthy petitions.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

Got next to no $ to spare, and the red state where I retired for affordability! is preparing to grab even more of my meager SS to finance a huge tax cut they want for corporations, but one thing they can't take away from me is petition signing and voting! Not yet anyway.

I'm on Change.org's mailing list but as yet had not received news on this matter. So thank you very much.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
25. Signed and shared on FB and Archaeologyfieldwork.com
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jul 2013

I'll try to remember to share any good feedback I get, as this puzzles me. eminent domain? And doesn't Ohio have burial protection laws? This should be protected six ways from Sunday by government regs, but the frackers have disturbed sites before with impunity, so maybe not.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
33. Thank you for the information, Pat
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jul 2013

My comment on the petition:


Producing mass quantities of energy through fossil fuels is no longer desirable or necessary. Fossil fuel energy has proved to be unhealthy to the planet and unsustainable at present rates of consumption. The human race needs and deserves a better, renewable and sustainable source of energy. It is time to stop heeding the calls of the Fossil Fuel energy to allow them to drill wherever they find a gallon of oil or a pound of coal. We must not allow them to pretend or to persuade us, the American people, that renewable technology is a dream that will only be realized in the distant future. It is available now, while fossil fuels will be deploeted in the not-too-distant future.

It is time to declare the preservation of a Native American Burial Mound is more important than the corporate well-being of Antero Resources or any other fossil fuel producer. It is an industry that must be replaced by a sustainable energy industry, the sooner the better.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
48. Signed, The Keystone is running into a refusal from the Native Americans
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jul 2013

in this neck of the woods.

**


Native Americans quit talks on Keystone XL pipeline

Leaders of Native American tribes have pulled out of talks with US federal officials to express their outrage over a planned oil pipeline and the contamination of their ancestral lands as a result of the project.

The leaders from 11 tribes walked out of a meeting in Rapid City on May 16, and called on US President Barack Obama to engage in direct negotiations with them over the Keystone XL pipeline.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/19/304239/native-americans-exit-pipeline-talks/

Trailrider1951

(3,413 posts)
51. K&R! I grew up in central Ohio
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jul 2013

The Mound Builders were an important part of Ohio's history. The desecration and/or destruction of their monuments for commercial purposes MUST BE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL!! I swear to God/Goddess, these corporations cannot be people because they HAVE NO SOUL!

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
64. They are so afraid of death that they will kill everything
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jul 2013

around them first.

Remember the 80s Ivan Bosky joke of he who dies with the most toys wins? The truth is that he who dies with the most toys dies. They can't bear their mortality and are homicidal in all their dealings.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
68. I'll sign it.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jul 2013

Southeast Ohio is in the middle of what seems to be an unstoppable fracking holocaust right now.

If I can get more info on this like a news link, I will tell a bunch of people.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
79. Don't know the specifics from the article, even, but eminent domain is only applicable for
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

running the gas lines, and even then it is generally only used for interstate transportation. I've yet to hear of a case for eminent domain to get drilling rights.

Then again, the lines they put in are pretty disturbing, they're going in all over where I am in southeastern Ohio.

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