Salt Lake NBC Won't Air 'Hannibal'

[alp227]

KSL Salt Lake City, the NBC affiliate in DMA No. 33, will not air network drama Hannibal anymore. "After viewing the past few episodes, as well as receiving numerous complaints from viewers, KSL TV will cancel the airing of the NBC show Hannibal on Thursday evenings," KSL wrote on Facebook. "This decision was made due to the extensive graphic nature of this show."

KSL, owned by the Church of Latter-Day Saints, will air local news in its place at 9. KUCW, as it has done in the past, has picked up the NBC castoff, according to NBC.

Hannibal is based on serial killer Dr. Hannibal Lecter, from Thomas Harris's novels.

Broadcasting in a largely Mormon market, KSL has refused network programming in the past, including The New Normal, which KSL cited for "rude and crude dialogue," and The Playboy Club, while Saturday Night Live has for years aired on CW affiliate KUCW.

full: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493177-Salt_Lake_NBC_Won_t_Air_Hannibal_.php

Sheesh. This kind of censorship kowtowing to evangelicals (yes, Mormons do go on 2-year missions, before people start screaming at me for this) REPLACING HANNIBAL sounds like something a Saudi Arabian TV station would do.

And if you look up KSL's TV listings (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=42&sid=74628) you'll notice that Saturday Night Live still doesn't exist on its schedule.

This move cuts off Hannibal from the ENTIRE state of Utah as Salt Lake City's TV stations have repeaters all over the state, I think.

The LDS Church censoring its media holdings reminds me of how companies like Hobby Lobby and Eden Foods are suing the government against the law that requires employer coverage of contraceptives. Why is Bonneville Corporation even owning an NBC station in the 1st place if Bonneville KNOWS some NBC shows don't follow LDS religious values?

And can you IMAGINE how much outrage (at least among the right wing media like Fox News or The Blaze) there'd be if a Muslim-owned corporation censored certain network programming of its TV stations due to the same reasons KSL cited?

Some are supportive, but many see this move as dumb, as you can see in KSL's Facebook post https://www.facebook.com/ksltv/posts/10151595542693676

[djean111]

1. Eddie Izzard guest stars tomorrow night (Wednesday night).

You can never have too much Eddie Izzard.

[Squinch]

58. Love him. I'll watch.

[HiPointDem]

2. i've never seen hannibal, but i caught the first episode of bates motel and found it disgusting.

sadism porn.

if hannibal is anything like that, i don't care if utah bans it.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. wow.

So you saw something you did not like and think this might be like that and stuff you don't approve of should be banned?

[HiPointDem]

12. i said, if it's anything like bates motel, i don't care. i personally don't think corporate america

has a right to feed us any kind of crap they want in defiance of community standards or wishes.

[alp227]

60. Then watch PBS. And I never knew DU had so many for censorship!

"i personally don't think corporate america has a right to feed us any kind of crap they want in defiance of community standards or wishes."

So should Rush Limbaugh be banned from blue communities' radio stations?

[HiPointDem]

61. and i never knew DU had so many defenders of the 1%'s rights to dominate & colonize the public mind.

[one_voice]

17. So some policing is ok. Got it.

[HiPointDem]

20. 'policing'? wtf are you talking about? 1) i've never said no police function should exist.

2) regulation is not synonymous with policing.

i consider big media to be the propaganda arm of the ruling class, designed to sedate, inflame, or otherwise manipulate the populace.

and i consider that the populace has a right to protect itself.

[liberalhistorian]

37. So "protect yourself"

by not watching it. See how that works? NO ONE is EVER forced to watch a tv show, and you have no right to make a determination for others based on your own preferences. In "defiance of community standards or wishes"? You sound like a RW ranter when they're trying to get books banned from the library.

Geez, I'm beginning to think I've somehow stumbed onto Free Republic tonight.

[HiPointDem]

51. I love it when protection of the 1%'s right to pacify & brainwash the 99% is called 'free speech'.

i have the cheapest cable package there is, & i am still paying to produce shows like "bates motel".

i won't watch it, but i'm still paying for it to exist.

[liberalhistorian]

34. You have no right to unilaterally determine for everyone

else what gets censored simply because you, personally, don't like it. I agree that neither Bates Motel or Hannibal is my cup of tea and I have no plans to ever watch an episode of either show again if I can help it, but that doesn't give me the right to make that determination for everyone else, or to demand that a tv station take it off the air entirely.

If you don't like to watch, read or listen to something, then don't, it's that simple. Just don't make that determination for everyone else. There's this invention called a remote control, which amazingly enables you to change channels if you don't like what you're seeing.

[one_voice]

46. +1000

[HiPointDem]

55. *I* determine nothing. I have *no* power. The 5-7 media companies owned by 1%ers have *all*

the power -- and you still think you have to protect them from the likes of *me*.

The fact is that a majority of the american public has felt the media are too violent for decades.

And the fact is that because of the way cable is structured, not watching a show doesn't mean you're not paying for it to be produced.

So don't you talk to me about my 'power' not to watch it.

The ruling class feeds us bread, circuses, sadism & humiliation porn & frames it as 'free speech' -- for them, but not for us.

[randome]

3. This was the dumbest idea for a series ever.

How much more can Thomas Harris milk this monkey? The general public does NOT want to get into the mind of a fucking cannibal.

What's next? Celebrating the episode where he eats his first victim?

It's not censorship to shut down a rotten idea. I just wish the other stations would follow suit.

[DevonRex]

4. But Mads Mikkelsen has the best cheekbones ever.

He's my favorite Danish actor, with his brother running second. Watch Citron and Flame. Or is it Flame and Citron? Never can remember. Good movie.

[randome]

8. It's 'citron'. Trying to find English subs to go with it.

[DevonRex]

10. Thanks for the correction.

I hate it when I spell things incorrectly.

[Fumesucker]

5. Dexter, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, The Wire

Looking at the darker side of human nature can be interesting to a lot of people if done well.

There was an implied cannibalism scene in Fried Green Tomatoes even.

[randome]

9. Hannibal is not a 'dark side'. It's 'sadism porn', as HiPointDem pointed out.

And she and I rarely agree on things. I don't begrudge you if that's what you want to watch but I will point out that I don't think you're going to learn anything about human nature from it.

Unless you hang out with real cannibals.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. That's just a characterization, not a statement of fact. I've not seen it, but it's on TV so it is

not porn. Just not. The fact that religious nutters don't like it makes me want to tune in. Now I think I will Eddie Izzard is going to be on I just leaned.
Anything the Mormons hate has got to be good, after all they hate me.

[HiPointDem]

14. "it's on tv so it is not porn" = lol. & bullshit.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Porn does not mean 'low quality crap' it has an actual meaning that is in this case being used for

hyperbolic reasons rather than reasons of accuracy. Just because folks like yourself don't like some show does not mean it is porn, just means you are unable to articulate your criticisms in any intellectually valid way, which is usually the case with the Thought Police come to shut down arts and entertainments that offend them.
Why not just not watch that which you don't like? Why should it matter to you what others watch? Are you somehow the judge and jury?

[HiPointDem]

23. pornography is titillation for the sake of titillation. using sex, violence, goods, whatever.

there's plenty of porn on tv.

it matters because i live in society and am not an isolated monad.

no matter how much the ruling class and its purveyors of porn, trash & propaganda try to convince me otherwise, try to convince me that support of the 1%'s porn, trash and propaganda has something to do with 'free speech' rather than money, psyops and pacification.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. So anything you don't care for is porn and psy ops? That's what you are saying.

Sopranos ultra violence you like, so that's 'not porn' but another show you don't like so that's just porn. Who are you to say? That's what it comes down to. Your taste is not the standard for the world, no matter how much you long for it to be, nor is mine, which is good on both counts.
Now you can go back to your 'rewrite the dictionary' project.
por·nog·ra·phy
/pôrˈnägrəfē/
Noun
Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity.

Words mean things. Some of us know what they mean.

[HiPointDem]

28. right, a medical textbook is pornography. so much for the dictionary definition.

"So anything you don't care for is porn and psy ops? That's what you are saying."

no, it's actually not, but i don't expect better from folks like you.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. What are 'folks like me'? Do you also seek to censor 'folks like me'?

I gave you the dictionary definition of pornography, because the way you use it could apply to just about anything and is based on your objective taste. Your response was a personal insult toward me. People like you. I assume you mean gay people and I am free to do so as you lack the courage to say what the fuck you mean, you just want to preach and wail and condemn using hyperbole and insults.
People like me. What exactly does that mean? Do you lack the vocabulary to express yourself with precision?

[HiPointDem]

35. because i knew you were gay, right. i expressed myself with precision, you just choose to

respond to your own narrative.

[FSogol]

13. The entire "Serial Killer as hero" genre blows anyway.

They could cancel Bates Hotel, Dexter, The Following, and Hannibal (did I miss any?) tomorrow and we'd be much better off.

[Fumesucker]

15. I generally agree with HiPointDem and I probably wouldn't like the show myself

Sadism is part of human nature unfortunately, this may well be "porn" for sadism, not saying it isn't but it doesn't have to be.

I was reading Poe and Lovecraft among others in grammar school, they were considered pretty extreme at the time, The Telltale Heart, The Pit and the Pendulum and so on..

[randome]

26. I agree with you. But Poe and Lovecraft are still around a hundred years later.

I doubt the same will ever be said of 'Hannibal'. I wouldn't want to fall back on the old 'I know art when I see it' but maybe it's more clear to say what is NOT art. And Hannibal is not art.

Still just my opinion, of course.

[HiPointDem]

16. no comparison between the sopranos/the wire and sadism porn.

[Fumesucker]

25. I haven't seen it and probably won't, just saying it doesn't have to be porn

The subject could be done without being sadism porn is my point.

Frankly Breaking Bad is more disturbing to me, it shows a normal everyday nice guy turn into some kind of monster step by imperceptible step, all too believable.

Devout Catholics believe in quite literal theophagy (from their point of view).

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Sopranos.

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[HiPointDem]

38. no comparison. standard movie fare since movies began. somebody beat somebody up because they

got mad.

that's not what crap like 'bates motel' is about.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Here is an actual real world comparison: that Sopranos scene could never air in prime time TV

Far too violent for network TV. Yet you like it, so you claim it is 'different' is some vague unspecified way. Your taste is not that which decides the worth or value or intention of a work of art or entertainment. You think some network thriller is 'porn' but you dig the Sopranos....here's another one that could never be on network TV

[HiPointDem]

47. i have no problem with states & localities taking sadism porn off the air. the public isn't obliged

to pay for the production of sadism porn just because they want to watch cable tv.

[one_voice]

19. The Wire was one of the...

best shows on tv, imo.

I also liked the other shows.

[Make7]

52. I heard that in one episode someone once used the n-word...

... should that kind of thing be allowed on TV?
[font style="color:#ffffff;"]Just kidding - that show was excellent. As are Dexter and Breaking Bad.[/font]

[one_voice]

54. It was on HBO...

not regular tv.

[NightWatcher]

6. I'm actually enjoying the series

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Gained viewers in the second week. The Mormons who banned it also ban SNL. Just saying.

They also ban shows with gay people on them from time to time. For the same reasons they state here. You have a good day.

[randome]

24. I'm hardly a supporter of Mormonism.

And it doesn't matter to me WHO banned it, I just think it's a useless show. It's not like anyone is going to learn anything from it.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. I am just against banning things because they offend tiny segments of the population. If it sucks,

and the reviews and numbers are decidedly mixed, it will vanish and be forgotten very quickly anyway. It others see quality in it, then it does amount to taste. And banning shit because I don't like it is my idea of a very bad thing. Running around calling a TV show 'porn' and 'a psyop' to defend some religiously based choice to censor is way too muh, as is saying it does not matter who banned it, because those who did would also ban something you thought was great, they ban shows for having gay people in them. Who does it and why it is done is a hugely important issue. If it fails by it's merits, fine, but to ban because of content is just to ban because of content, as has been done to great art and utter trash by small minds for centuries.

[randome]

36. Again, I agree. But society can and should ban certain things.

Hannibal pushes up against the edge of what I personally think should be allowed.

I couldn't care less what any self-centered group thinks unless that group's entire purpose is built around things like this.

And even then, I would definitely be against the Phyllis Schaflys of the world. And in this case, whatever the Mormons want is irrelevant to me, too.

[HiPointDem]

49. "tiny" = bs. sadism porn offends large percentages of the population.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/post-newtown-school-shooting-70-407372

the only demographic that *doesn't* think media is too violent is young boys.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/kidusasu/violence/chart1.htm

and that's the target audience for this crap. "hey, how about a show about a serial killer! that would be awesome!"

[NightWatcher]

30. No one is forcing anyone to watch it

I don't think it was meant to teach anyone anything, its entertainment. It's no dumber a show than All Star Celebrity Apprentice.

Just because you don't like something is no reason to ban it. As far as the subject matter, there is a warning before each episode, so no one watches it expecting fine arts or a discussion of opera.

[randome]

33. All good points, but I think it's a little creepy to be 'entertained'...

...by the inmost thoughts of a cannibal. Just my visceral reaction to the subject, not based on any philosophical underpinnings.

[NightWatcher]

40. (strokes chin) hmmm, Tell me about your childhood

Just kidding.

I like it because I used to be in that field and was a fan of the guy that Crawford at BSU is based on (John Douglas).

[randome]

45. I'm curious, then. Does that characterization ring true?

[NightWatcher]

50. Nope, it's just tv. Most if the behavior stuff is academic and boring

[HiPointDem]

41. 'no one is forcing...' people to eat fast food either, but they do. because it's out there,

because it's drowned out better alternatives by dominating commercial space.

13-year-old boys don't care about 'warnings'.

[liberalhistorian]

39. I happen to think that Breaking Bad,

Walking Dead and Mad Men were the worst ideas for shows ever. But I don't demand that everyone else feel that way and that those shows get shut down just because I don't like them. I just simply don't turn them on and I don't watch them. See how easy and simple that is?

[HiPointDem]

44. no, it's not that easy & simple. take the drug trade, for example. i can say "i simply don't use

drugs, see how simple'?

but my neighbors do, they share with children, they steal my stuff and they turn my neighborhood into a garbage dump.

partly because they're unemployed, second generation, and have grown up in that kind of environment, which trains them to be the kind of people they are.

[liberalhistorian]

57. You are seriously comparing

drug using/selling to a fucking tv show? Really? Seriously? Um...wow. I don't even know where to begin with that one.

Let's just start with the fact that tv shows are nowhere near as serious as drugs, they're not even in the same universe. Let's also start with the fact that you can turn off the tv, or change channels and ignore shows you don't like, and that's the end of that; you cannot do the same thing with neighbors who are selling/using drugs. And I wouldn't put tv shows on even the same planet when it comes to physical and mental affects.

There is one similarity in that what drugs are "legal" (alcohol, OTC remedies, prescription medicines, etc., many of which were illegal at one time) and what drugs are "illegal" is solely based on what a culture believes at a certain time. A lot of "problems" caused by drugs would either not exist or not be as severe if they were legalized and regulated, as alcohol finally was after the repeal of prohibition. There was a time when one of the routine ingredients of coca-cola was cocaine, and no one thought anything of it. (Mention cocaine nowadays and the entire criminal "justice" and educational systems go apeshit).

And when I taught psychology at the local community college a few years ago, the textbook used showed pictures, in its chapter on drugs, of advertisements from the late 19th and early 20th centuries for the "many and varied health benefits of cocaine and opium", that routinely appeared in newspapers and magazines and, again, no one thought anything of it. Try that nowadays and tne entire weight of at least three federal agencies specifically set up to deal with drugs will descend on you to completely and forever ruin your life.

[HiPointDem]

59. yes. your counterpoint is stupid; you've said nothing i didn't already know, & all of it's

irrelevant.

'no one thought anything of it' = bullshit. The US had its highest percent of drug addicts in that era. Addiction is what kept the customers coming back.

The mafia/gangs runs the drug trade or the capitalists run the drug trade, it doesn't matter as much as you think it does. And they're business partners anyway.

yes, what other people do *does* affect others, & only a solipsist would claim otherwise.

[liberalhistorian]

63. Your whole comparison of tv

shows to drugs is what is completely irrelevant and stupid, especially since tv shows are frankly not nearly as influential as you seem to think. Anyone who gets their life philosophy, or has it changed by, a tv show, or who commits acts based only on what they see on a stupid tv show, has many other screws loose and other problems far worse than a fucking tv show. Drugs are a far more serious matter than tv shows and cannot and should not be compared. And it sounds like if you had your way, home medicine cabinets would be strictly monitored on an individual basis to ensure that only "wholesome" materials, aka what YOU think is "okay", are present. No thanks.

Most people are not mindless robots whose minds can be taken over at will. Most people still do exercise choices in what they watch, their minds are not automatons. You give us far too little credit. And it's not your decision what we want to watch, read, or listen to, anyway. Thank God for that, or there would go my weekly Wednesday night "Criminal Minds" party. Sheesh.

If you had your way, only reruns of Romper Room and Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood would be permitted viewing. No fucking thank you.

[HiPointDem]

66. plenty of people, i'll warrant most, are influenced to some degree by media, as we're saturated in

it. the idea that media is just 'entertainment,' rather than something that helps constitute us, is what's stupid.

the idea that the 1%ers who make media aren't simultaneously making ideologies and world views is what's stupid.

why don't cable companies let people buy *just* what they want? why do they force people to pay for lots of things they *don't* want?

if they did, your arguments about 'choice' would have more weight. but there is no choice.

[Raine]

56. I got to agree, Hannibal hold absolutely no appeal to

me. I'm suprised it even made it to a network as a regularly schedule show.

[TeamPooka]

22. Forget it Jake, it's Utah. nt

[Dorian Gray]

42. The article stated that

The CW has picked up the cast off shows.

[graywarrior]

48. Aw, crap. I love this show!

[Apophis]

53. Ugh. I hate religion.

[Blue_In_AK]

62. How do they feel about The Following?

[yawnmaster]

64. Censorship lol. It isn't censorship, it is a local affiliate deciding not to air a show...

If it doesn't for the market then the station will suffer.
Plus another station picked it up.
Plus one can watch the episodes online anyways on nbc.com.

[LadyHawkAZ]

65. From our local Fox affiliate, NOT owned by the local church:

https://www.facebook.com/fox13newsutah/posts/10151621505545586

PROGRAMMING NOTE: After viewing the past few weeks, as well as receiving numerous calls from viewers, KSTU TV will continue airing our regularly scheduled primetime programming.

This decision was made due to the extensive awesome nature of our shows. No time slots will be replaced and as always, following our primetime programming, you can see your late local news first on Fox 13. We trust Fox 13 viewers know what’s best for themselves and their family. And they will exercise their free will to choose the on or off button, or change the channel.

Fox Television remains a valued partner to KSTU. KSTU is confident that with the proliferation of digital media, those who wish to catch up on any of our shows can easily do so. But as always, news is a dish best served fresh.