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But because the procedure of "force-feeding" is widely held as a form of torture, critics of the practice may well view the medical teams as nothing more than 'torture reinforcements' as the number of those approved for the painful process continues to grow and their conditions deteriorate.
Military authorities repeatedly claim that force-feedings are somehow necessary, but experts are unequivocal when they declare that the procedure is torture.
The United Nations Human Rights Commission considers the practice of force-feedingin which detainees are strapped to a restraining chair, have tubes pushed up their nostrils and liquids pumped down their throatsa clear form of torture. In addition, the World Medical Association prohibits its physicians from participating in force-feeding and the American Medical Association has just sent a letter to the Pentagon calling the practice an affront to accepted medical ethics.
One detainee, speaking recently through his lawyer David Remes, described the process by saying it felt a "razor blade [going] down through your nose and into your throat."
In an interview with the Guardian, Remes discussed the treatment of those at Guantanamo as he pushed back against the US military's claims that it is safeguarding the prisoners by torturing them. "It's like the way you would treat an animal," he said. Watch:
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Despite testimony like this and the many objections by human rights advocates, reports indicate that at least 21 men have been approved for force feeding at the US prison.
US Military Calls in 'Force-Feeding Teams' as Guantanamo Hunger Strike Continues
- Jon Queally, staff writer
As The Guardian reports:
Authorities said that the "influx" of medical reinforcements had been weeks in the planning. But the news will fuel speculation that the condition of hunger-striking prisoners at Guantánamo Bay is deteriorating. Shaker Aamer, the last British resident being kept at the centre, told his lawyer earlier this month that authorities will soon see fatalities as a result of the current action.
"I cannot give you numbers and names, but people are dying here," said Aamer, who is refusing food.
The action is a protest against conditions at the centre, as well as the indefinite nature of the remaining prisoners' confinement. Aamer has been cleared for release twice, but is still behind bars after 11 years. He has never been charged or faced trial but the US refuses to allow him to return to the UK, despite official protests by the British government.
Late last week, president of the American Medical Association, Dr. Jeremy Lazarus, sent a letter to US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel in order to remind the Pentagon that the AMA's long-held view is that force feeding is both an unethical and inhumane practic practice.
More at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/29/guantanamo-bay-hunger-strike-reinforcements
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)All lower-level military personnel should be reminded that the I-was-just-being-a-good-German-and-following-orders-defense is not a defense except during the Bush and Obama Administrations.
If law can be restored to this country so that war criminals can be prosecuted in the next Administration, those people engaged in this should be aware of their potential risk, no matter how remote, of being prosecuted. Obama is not going to be in office forever. Holder is not going to be in office forever.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Many who are imprisoned INDEFINITELY for no good reason.
Thank you Bradley Manning for the Guatanamo Files
http://wikileaks.org/gitmo/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/guantanamo-files
quinnox
(20,600 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)It would be a shame if all his high-minded talk ended up being just that.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)in addition to an abomination.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I was sooooo glad he brought it up today at the news conference.
Its a horror. What I can't understand is how any US medical personnel - especially on this scale - are agreeing to do this.
Obama's answer was good but I wish he'd been MUCH more forceful in actually defining WHO is keeping this horror going - Congress!! "We have problems in Guantanamo It needs to be closed. Congress won't let us close it... I"m going to go back at this."
K&R
KoKo
(84,711 posts)and he doesn't want them to die...so that must be why they sent a crew into force-feed more of them? How is that not torture? If he waits for more people to be concerned or congress to act then some of those detainees are going to die because of the bodily and mental trauma of extended force feeding...
From Today's Presser:
-- the idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried -- that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.
Now, it's a hard case to make because, you know, I think for a lot of Americans, the notion is out of sight, out of mind, and it's easy to demagogue the issue. That's what happened the first time this came up. I'm going to go back at it because I think it's important.
Q: (Off mic) -- continue to force-feed these folks -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I don't -- I don't want these individuals to die. Obviously, the Pentagon is trying to manage the situation as best as they can. But I think all of us should reflect on why exactly are we doing this. Why are we doing this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-april-30-2013-news-conference-transcript/2013/04/30/0edc67b0-b1a3-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story_4.html
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)If he doesn't figure this out, quick, sooner or later these guys are going to start dying. Force feeding isn't entirely without complications and patients have died from severe bleeding and other problems.
What are they going to do then?
The plight of Samir Haji al Hasan Moqbel and others seems to be one of basic human dignity imho. Ive been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity, Samir said. I take them at their word.
So if we declare that someone like say, Terri Schiavo is allowed to have her wishes carried out - to NOT be force fed and allowed to die with dignity - AND realistically the men at Guantanamo are in a similar hopeless suspended state, they should be allowed to choose to die.
Of course Obama doesn't want a "Bobby Sands" type of episode to tarnish his legacy.
But I fear he's going to have it. And maybe he should have it. Maybe its only right and just that he suffers that consequence.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)read.
I worry too, that him sending in the extra force feeding crew might come back to haunt him. I wouldn't want to live like those confined in Gitmo when they've been cleared of US Terrorism charges are living.
If I had to go through that I would stop eating too. But, to have a tube forced down your throat and to deal with those consequences and not be able to Jerk the Tube out and DIE...is a violation of the sanctity of our ability to have control over our own lives. And, it is a terrible thing this torture...because it really is torture...no way that taking over a body and forcing tubes is NOT Torture... and...it's sad to see this from our Democratic President.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)using asymmetrical warfare to bash the President.
He can't just wave a wand and release them from the prison where they are being held without charges for an indefinite period of time and forced to suffer torture.
He's not a dictator!
G_j
(40,366 posts)I served 25 years in the US Air Force, I was the Chief Prosecutor for the Terrorism Trials at Guantanamo Bay for more than two years, and now I need your help.
I personally charged Osama Bin Ladens driver Salim Hamdan, Australian anathema David Hicks, and Canadian teen Omar Khadr. All three were convicted and then they were released from Guantanamo. More than 160 men who have never been charged with any offense, much less convicted of a war crime, remain at Guantanamo with no end in sight. There is something fundamentally wrong with a system where not being charged with a war crime keeps you locked away indefinitely and a war crime conviction is your ticket home.
As of April 29, 2013 100 of the 166 men who remain in Guantanamo are engaged in a hunger strike in protest of their indefinite detention. Twenty-one of them are being force-fed and five are hospitalized. Some of the men have been in prison for more than eleven years without charge or trial. The United States has cleared a majority of the detainees for transfer out of Guantanamo, yet they remain in custody year after year because of their citizenship and ongoing political gamesmanship in the U.S.
That is why I am calling on Secretary of Defense Charles Hagel to use his authority to effect cleared transfers from Guantanamo and on President Obama to appoint an individual within the Administration to lead the effort to close Guantanamo. Obama announced on April 30 that he plans to do his part to close Guantanamo, but he has made this promise before. Now is the time to hold him to his promise and urge him to take the steps necessary to dismantle Guantanamo Bay Prison.
If any other country were treating prisoners the way we are treating those in Guantanamo we would roundly and rightly criticize that country. We can never retake the legal and moral high ground when we claim the right to do unto others that which we would vehemently condemn if done to one of us.
It is probably no surprise that human rights and activist groups like the Center For Constitutional Rights, Witness Against Torture and Amnesty International have been outspoken critics of Guantanamo. It may surprise you that a former military prosecutor and many other retired senior military officers and members of the intelligence community agree with them.
The Patriotic thing, the American thing, the Human thing to do here is to Close Guantanamo. Please join us in the fight by signing this petition,
https://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-close-detention-facility-at-guantanamo-bay?share_id=ThilAlAkAK
KoKo
(84,711 posts)How many years? How many might die with the "Force Feedings" since POB feels there's so little interest.
I can see from this post...that there's very little interest. It's a dead issue that belongs with Bush...and some want it buried with Bush.
G_j
(40,366 posts)the prisoners are completely devoid of any hope, they would rather starve.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Fuck them, they're thugs and deserve no respect from anyone.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)thought Bush II was enough...but, this is a low blow...given all the work of Human Rights Activists under Bush...working to expose what they did...but now... here we are...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)take?