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Stinky The Clown

(67,761 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:44 AM Apr 2013

*IF* it is true that money and the 1% own our government, and if it is true that . . . .

. . . . . the little guy has no real representation, and if it is true that money is free speech, and if it is true that no one even hears us anymore (as recently evidenced by the failure of the weakest possible gun control bill, and as evidenced by the contuing operations at Guantonimo), why even bother discussing the things we discuss?

We talk as if we can actually make a difference. If all those things, and so very much more, are true, how do we get an honest, representative government back?

This is not another "hopeless" discussion. It is a question. How do do it? It is my belief that, apart from the 2013 idiom, our government is mostly as it has always been.

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antigop

(12,778 posts)
1. the first step in fixing any problem is admitting there is one.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:48 AM
Apr 2013

Not a damn thing is going to be fixed until Democrats admit that THEIR PARTY is part of the problem.

BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
2. Obama was re-elected (you helped do that), the wealthiest are paying more taxes as a direct result
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:53 AM
Apr 2013

and the government just paid down debt for the first time since 2007.

The 1% that makes you feel so helpless would have preferred a different outcome, believe it. Romney promised them another huge tax cut.

Just a way of saying the answer is hang in there and keep chipping away at the to-do list. There are less useful ways to spend your time, after all.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
3. Because it allows us the illusion of democracy, I guess.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:59 AM
Apr 2013

The notion of "comfort lies" is a very old one indeed, and we mostly tell them to ourselves.

We won't see a "reset" of real democracy until the nation as currently constituted breaks apart, a la the Soviet Union. How long that reset might last is difficult to say.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
4. Good question!
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:59 AM
Apr 2013

I just got off the phone with my Senators office and asked why the airlines were let off the sequester hook while meals on wheels, head start and chemo to saves lives, all continue to be hit hard. The answer...are you ready?.....We received so many calls from people regarding the airlines and nothing regarding meals on wheels and such programs. Quite frankly we received more calls about the cancellation of White House tours than anything else! .....I let him know that if he thinks the homeless, hungry and beaten bottom half of this country has the means or ability to call in then they are going to be waiting a long time! Never underestimate the power of a phone call to a legislator but more importantly never underestimate the power of the corrupt press!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. The passengers on the Titanic likely discussed their situation too
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:03 AM
Apr 2013

It wasn't going to change anything but it's a natural human reaction.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
6. It's not just us DUers
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

who read what's written here.

Sometimes our ideas get picked up and broadcast to a larger audience.

(That works both ways of course...sometimes our comments are used against us / liberals / Democrats).

 

highmindedhavi

(355 posts)
7. If we would stop voting for those who take from banks
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
9. The Rothschild Conspiracy
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:22 PM
Apr 2013

The Rothschild Conspiracy
Some believe that world governments and economies are secretly controlled by the Rothschild banking family.

...

One of their most famous transactions came in 1825, when England's unregulated banks all went into crisis due to poor management of interest rates. Nathan Rothschild had earlier bought huge amounts of gold from the struggling Bank of England at a fire sale price and sold it to the French national bank. When the Bank of England suffered a liquidity crisis as depositors clamored for their funds, the bank was able to borrow that same money back from Nathan, and thus averted disaster. Virtually every conspiracy website claims that this is how the Rothschilds "took over the Bank of England". No. They gave them a loan, which was paid back. In later years one Rothschild descendant sat on the Bank of England's board for a time, but by no logic can it be defended that their 1825 transaction constituted "taking them over".

In fact, that famous quote from Nathan Rothschild about "controlling the British money supply" turns out to be a fabrication. I found no original source for the quote at all, though it's repeated in dozens of conspiracy books and on tens of thousands of conspiracy websites. I did a thorough search of all available newspaper archives from Nathan's lifetime, and had some friends check various university library systems. No such quote appears in the academic literature. After such a thorough search, I feel confident stating that he never made such a statement.

But the quote doesn't appear to be completely made up by the conspiracy theorists. It's most likely a revised and restyled version of this quote attributed to Nathan's father, the original Mayer Rothschild:

Give me control of a Nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.

But like the longer, more specific quote from Nathan, even this one turns out to be apocryphal. Author G. Edward Griffin did manage to track it down, though. He found that this saying was:

Quoted by Senator Robert L. Owen, former Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking and Currency and one of the sponsors of the Federal Reserve Act, National Economy and the Banking System, (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1939), p. 99. This quotation could not be verified in a primary reference work. However, when one considers the life and accomplishments of the elder Rothschild, there can be little doubt that this sentiment was, in fact, his outlook and guiding principle.

...

By my analysis, the Rothschilds are best thought of not as an evil shadow conspiracy, but as a great success story of rags to riches, Jewish slum to financing the defeat of Napoleon. The price of gold is fixed twice a day by five members of the London Bullion Association: Barclays Capital, Deutsche Bank, Scotiabank, HSBC, and Societe Generale, and they conduct their twice-daily meeting over the telephone. Today this is mere financial necessity, but until 2004, it was also a century-old tradition as great as the ringing of the bell at the New York Stock Exchange. The five distinguished representatives included a Rothschild, and they met in person in a paneled room at the London office of N M Rothschild & Sons. That ritual is now a thing of the past, as is the power of the world's greatest financial dynasty.


More:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311



raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
8. The only thing standing between the American people and a representative democracy is Wall St.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

The only option is to choose to support the one you want to succeed.

leftstreet

(36,098 posts)
11. We just aren't organized, that's all
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:32 PM
Apr 2013

We vote in a system rigged against our interests, under the illusion we're actually part of that system

But we're not

 

Stretch714

(90 posts)
12. Until the money from lobbyist on both sides is taken out of DC nothing will change.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:34 PM
Apr 2013

Last time I checked there are a lot of rich folks on both sides of the isle in DC. They will keep doing what ever they have to do to get richer and grab more power.

Both sides are dirty and how we get rid of that is beyond me. I wish I had an answer.

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