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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:48 PM Apr 2013

Police: NM Church Stabbing Sparked By 'Mason' Fear

By RUSSELL CONTRERAS
Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Lawrence Capener was shaking hands with his fellow churchgoers at Sunday Mass, exchanging the traditional peace offerings when some people next to him noticed something strange - his hands were quite sweaty and clammy. Then, as the choir began singing a hymn to wrap up Mass, the man bolted from his pew, ran to the choir area and started stabbing the choir leader and others.

Parishioners screamed and ran for cover and others, including the church flutist, tried to subdue him. Police said the assailant thought the choir members were members of a secret society.

--CLIP

Jordan had told his mom, "Thank God. I'm in church and nothing bad is going to happen here."

--CLIP
Capener later told police that he was "99 percent sure Alvarez was a mason" and that he thought Alvarez was involved in a conspiracy.

He told the investigator that Masons are a group involved "in a conspiracy that is far more reaching than I could or would believe."

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http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/22103220/man-stabs-nm-churchgoers-sends-4-to-hospital

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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
1. I remember when I was serving at the altar 4 years ago a guy dressed all in black came up the altar
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:55 PM
Apr 2013

and said to me I would like to kiss the pope's ring. Well I gently moved him off the altar and said we are Episcopalian so we could not help him on that. The usher got him to sit and at the end of the service one of the priests had a chat with him.
But I tell you when he walked up the altar like that I got really scared. You never know!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
5. Thanks!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:17 PM
Apr 2013

The Episcopal Church has been described as a chestnuts roasting on an open fire type church.

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
9. History Channel!!!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

...how many times do they show that conspiracy about Mason's controlling the government

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
6. yeh it doesn't help that they are prohibited from ..
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:01 PM
Apr 2013

..from defending themselves. wouldn't be much of a *secret* society then would it?

in fact they're a fascinating and important part of western history with a central role in the Enlightenment itself.. from their (actual, historically documented) relationship to the royal society of science, their influence on French and U.s. revolutions, all while being open minded enough to allow any *man* from any religion (no atheists, of course).

today they're either benign as the lion's club, or truly kinda liberal-minded and .. *smart*. weird i know. maybe it has something to do with practically worshiping the idea of knowledge.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
12. i recommend this book to anyone who seems slightly interested..
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 10:05 PM
Apr 2013

.. so don't feel *too* special..

Dame Frances Yates (1899-1981) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Yates
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Rosicrucian-Enlightenment-Frances-Yates/dp/0415267692

a summary-ish ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucians#The_Rosicrucian_Enlightenment

edit.. there used to be a lot of debate between masonic historians about the origin of the order. thanks to yates.. that's no longer the case.

.. ironic perhaps that it would be a woman who finally pinned down the origin of the original old boys' club.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
13. George Washington was a Mason; there's a portrait of him in his ritual apron
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:10 AM
Apr 2013

Masonic symbols are built into the very fabric of the original buildings in Washington D.C. I'd love to take a guided tour of such some day if there were one available. I did some reading on the Masons a couple of years ago, and found the history fascinating.

Another post claimed the History Channel did a conspiracy-theory program on them?! -- that is shocking and disgusting if true.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
14. yeh.. theories abound but only *some* are true..
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:36 AM
Apr 2013

.. what you say is true, and more. their influence in england was if anything stronger than here, and continued to bind americans and anglos in that 'special relationship' that bush y blaire made us all gag over a few years back.

then there's france, where masonry is also strong, but it's largely a whole *other* possibly older strain.

gah. mostly purple prose hogwash but with an appropriately cynical spirit i think some of masonic history can be reintegrated back into reality.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
7. weird that it happened in a church ..
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:08 PM
Apr 2013

there was another attack by a kid at a church in abq. not long ago..

is it possible *gasp* that cupidity in one's religious belief could possibly *prime* a person to believe even *crazier* things? could social approval of magical thinking contribute to psychotic breaks in some individuals?

is religion dangerous?

0rganism

(23,856 posts)
8. "others, including the church flutist, tried to subdue him"
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:12 PM
Apr 2013

I know this isn't supposed to be funny, but I have an outrageous mental image of a knife-wielding maniac being beaten down by an edlerly guy in a suit with a flute. Serious, brutal, smacking upside the head with a flute until he's subdued. I don't want to read the article now to find out how it really played out, because dammit, that flutist is a total badass in my mind right now.

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