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Just like all the other fascist police states... (Original Post) one_voice Apr 2013 OP
saying all cops are facist pigs is like saying all Muslims are terrorists. Whisp Apr 2013 #1
Nailed it. Except we really are socialists... freshwest Apr 2013 #2
and Adelson paid 100 million to try to keep Obama out of his second term. Whisp Apr 2013 #5
Indeed, sometimes we are better defined by our 'enemies' than our 'friends.' freshwest Apr 2013 #7
The Dow Jones IS at an all-time high, bvar22 Apr 2013 #6
No, not 100% leftynyc Apr 2013 #42
I think it was a very nice thing... one_voice Apr 2013 #3
Thanks for the links and OP. K & R for an entire community working together. freshwest Apr 2013 #8
That is a GREAT point, Whisp. OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #10
People don't sign up to be Muslim. Marr Apr 2013 #48
police state Whisp Apr 2013 #52
I didn't say this was a police state. I said your metaphor was inaccurate. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #63
Um point in fact fascist states tend to make sure the milk comes from them. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #4
Boston Police Department brand milk? baldguy Apr 2013 #9
Well the propaganda behind the photo op is pretty brilliant, it has the facebook crowd swooning Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #35
You're saying the distribution of this image has been orchestrated by the BPD PR office? baldguy Apr 2013 #36
Did I say that? Are you assuming all propaganda orginates from the state? Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #37
If it's propaganda, that implies that there is a propagandist behind it. baldguy Apr 2013 #43
You think the meme just made itself. Someone put the words over the photo Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #44
Seems you need to bone up on the definition: baldguy Apr 2013 #75
Where do I say nefarious? thats news to me. Just well meaning but ignorant nationalism imho Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #97
From your link: baldguy Apr 2013 #98
You need to read things as a whole, if you only read one line out of context you will stay confused. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #100
And you can't have it both ways. baldguy Apr 2013 #103
A square can be a rectangle without a rectangle being a square. Your logic is fatally flawed. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #104
You're calling the image propaganda from a fascist police state. baldguy May 2013 #112
Your baffelment seems to come from a misunderstanding of how sets work Exultant Democracy May 2013 #113
In all fascist police states, some humanity remains to become the focus of propaganda. leveymg Apr 2013 #53
Absolutely, you have zeroed in on the most troubling aspect of this meme. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #70
++GOOD Newest Reality Apr 2013 #76
fascist propaganda for the win limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #101
Fascist states also tend to deny free and unconcerned speech critical of that government appearing LanternWaste Apr 2013 #72
Do you consider that the US is the number one jailer in the world when you posted this? Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #99
Wait! That was staged! Sissyk Apr 2013 #11
alt caption "Milk delivery for Sara Connor" Snarkoleptic Apr 2013 #12
One act of genuine kindness negates the trashing of the 4th Amendment? Nice. n/t Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #13
LOL..okay. n/t one_voice Apr 2013 #14
"LOL"? People have normalized to any attacker situation as being "terrorism" and do not mind Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #17
Movies? This is the real world son... one_voice Apr 2013 #25
Yes, be "done with" DU's truth-tellers. I'm certain you fully understand the NDAA's section 1021 Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #61
I think it's cute when people think they're fighting fascism by imitating a religious terrorist. Bucky Apr 2013 #28
This sounds familiar.... vduhr Apr 2013 #32
Yeah because any questioning of the government means you are part of Alex Jones' site. davidn3600 Apr 2013 #39
Maybe not.... vduhr Apr 2013 #45
Unbelievable, yes? Simply absolutist. If we're stuck on movies which tell the truth, then Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #57
How is this not pure flame-bait? Thrill me with your acumen. And here are some confirmable FACTS Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #59
Do you actually know what flame-baiting is? vduhr Apr 2013 #96
Obvious flame-baiter is obvious. Sorry, not goig to play as is most obviously the hope. n/t Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #106
Yes, please read my other posts. vduhr May 2013 #108
You've most obviously not even read a single link I've proffered. Not a single word. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #109
Or as Daisy the Clover Cow was once told by Ben Franklin: truedelphi Apr 2013 #23
so what? the fact that a policeman brought someone milk doesn't mean that he doesn't work HiPointDem Apr 2013 #15
uh-huh. n/t one_voice Apr 2013 #16
not my fault you used a stupid example. the nazis ran youth camps. hitler loved babies & HiPointDem Apr 2013 #21
uh-huh, are you done yet? one_voice Apr 2013 #24
Could not have said it better myself. DevonRex Apr 2013 #31
Don't sell yourself short bobduca Apr 2013 #46
look at you.. one_voice Apr 2013 #47
Thats what I love about this site, the regulars are so friendly! bobduca Apr 2013 #58
You're absolutely.. one_voice Apr 2013 #60
Thanks! bobduca Apr 2013 #62
No worries! It's all good. one_voice Apr 2013 #67
your example *is* silly. mine is not, as nazis are the #1 example for 'police state'. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #34
Yes in a discussion of "all the other fascist police states" invoking Nazis is silliness...thud Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #38
And yet you get so worked up... one_voice Apr 2013 #51
The Germans occupying Norway were truedelphi Apr 2013 #27
Oh, Hannah... SidDithers Apr 2013 #50
What is the precise number of police states which allow for all practical intents and purposes LanternWaste Apr 2013 #73
Some people are not interested in actually discussing the topic, only in declaiming it as impossible Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #18
tell me about it. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #20
5,000 teens sold to private prisons by juvenile court judge Fumesucker Apr 2013 #19
I saw that story. Fucked up imo... one_voice Apr 2013 #22
Someone should ask those teens whether they feel they live in a police state Fumesucker Apr 2013 #26
Apples and oranges... one_voice Apr 2013 #29
The apples are the US in the case of the teens and then oranges are the US in the case of boston? Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #40
No one could have predicted that private prisons would lead to a corrupt judiciary Fumesucker Apr 2013 #41
Of course you could have... one_voice Apr 2013 #56
No one could have predicted that someone would misinterpret my comment Fumesucker Apr 2013 #80
did you just call me Condoleezza? one_voice Apr 2013 #83
The forward slash in HTML indicates you are turning off something Fumesucker Apr 2013 #84
Oh, gotcha... one_voice Apr 2013 #86
I hang out on a site where "no one could have predicted" is always used ironically or sarcastically Fumesucker Apr 2013 #90
I think this meme's past its expiration date. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #30
That might play well with IQ 65 Coyotl Apr 2013 #33
lol quinnox Apr 2013 #77
Yeah, but they delivered the milk by bashing in the door with guns drawn... SidDithers Apr 2013 #49
So this makes up for all the wrongs that the police do? Savannahmann Apr 2013 #54
Lots of ASSumptions.. one_voice Apr 2013 #55
the system screws everyone with one crucial exception: datasuspect Apr 2013 #79
Oh I know. Savannahmann May 2013 #114
hitler loved dogs datasuspect Apr 2013 #64
OMG...I have two dogs... one_voice Apr 2013 #65
dunno datasuspect Apr 2013 #66
You're the one that brought it up. one_voice Apr 2013 #68
you're the one who replied datasuspect Apr 2013 #69
um, this is a message board... one_voice Apr 2013 #71
here's the problem: datasuspect Apr 2013 #78
Yes, yes it does. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #87
*sigh* damn it... one_voice Apr 2013 #89
Well, let's just hope they can't understand German. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #102
Yet was lactose intolerant, and avoided dairy products... for example, milk. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #74
Ahhh, I see... 99Forever Apr 2013 #81
Apparently you're still confused... one_voice Apr 2013 #82
Really? 99Forever Apr 2013 #85
First I'm not selling anything... one_voice Apr 2013 #88
Must be something wrong with my computer... 99Forever Apr 2013 #91
Taken from the photo... one_voice Apr 2013 #92
Those pushing propaganda... 99Forever Apr 2013 #93
No you really don't.... one_voice Apr 2013 #94
Yes, I really do. n/t 99Forever Apr 2013 #95
no, see update on post #92... one_voice Apr 2013 #107
I agree with you. Savannahmann May 2013 #115
The poster is a she... one_voice May 2013 #116
You titled the thread Savannahmann May 2013 #117
I titled the thread from the picture... one_voice May 2013 #118
But you choose those words. Savannahmann May 2013 #119
Ok.. one_voice May 2013 #121
It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words. Savannahmann May 2013 #131
I'm so done with explaining myself... one_voice May 2013 #132
I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself well enough apparently. Savannahmann May 2013 #133
LOL, you seem confused. n-t Logical May 2013 #120
Oh look another one. n/t one_voice May 2013 #122
Here is another milk story for you! Logical May 2013 #123
need a blankie while you're hiding under your bed? n/t one_voice May 2013 #124
You are gullible as hell! One milk delivery and you put on blinders! n-t Logical May 2013 #125
Really? And you know this how? one_voice May 2013 #126
Reality! For every fucking milk delivery I will show you a beating. But.... Logical May 2013 #127
No I don't think those stories are made up... one_voice May 2013 #128
Well, good for your brother, you should be proud of him..... Logical May 2013 #129
I am very proud of him.. one_voice May 2013 #130
fascist milk bringing pigs! arely staircase Apr 2013 #105
And, from the People who are actually in Boston.. Cha May 2013 #110
And from Boston Strong Thanking Law Enforcement.. Cha May 2013 #111
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
1. saying all cops are facist pigs is like saying all Muslims are terrorists.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:29 PM
Apr 2013

the rightwing doesn't have a trademark on stupid.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
5. and Adelson paid 100 million to try to keep Obama out of his second term.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:41 PM
Apr 2013

doesn't that just fit right in snuggly with all this 'Obama is a corporate stooge 1%er ass licker we hear here?'

Well, then that is some awesome fakery for Obama and Sheldon to come up with this slick ruse just to get everyone off the scent!

oiy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. Indeed, sometimes we are better defined by our 'enemies' than our 'friends.'
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:53 PM
Apr 2013

Following the money shows the intention behind the pundits. A short list of the conservative billionaires who own all the media is in order. That and the out of nowhere, vastly overpaid 'talent' they employ. It might make a person suspect a bias to keep getting huge paychecks. Just sayin'

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
6. The Dow Jones IS at an all-time high,
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:52 PM
Apr 2013

...and 100% of the gains went exclusively to the top 1%.


The Richest 1 Percent Have Captured 121 Percent Of Income Gains During The Recovery
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/02/12/1579211/1-percent-121-gains/?mobile=nc

Working Class Wages continue to FALL,
and the Wealth Gap continues to WIDEN.

No, President Obama is not a good "socialist".
In fact, Bill Clinton's undisputed crown of Best Republican President EVER
is in serious jeopardy.

If the Democratic Party is planning to campaign on how great Wall Street is doing
while the Working Class keeps falling further behind,
maybe they should re-think that strategy.


[font color=firebrick size=3][center]The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of The Wealthy & The Powerful at the EXPENSE of The Working Class and The POOR. [/font]
[/center]

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. No, not 100%
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:31 AM
Apr 2013

My 401k had lost half its value and now is about 30% higher than where it was when it crashed. I'm nowhere near the 1%. And no republican would have put Kagen and Sotomoyer on the court. Your hyperbole is not helping at all.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. Thanks for the links and OP. K & R for an entire community working together.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:55 PM
Apr 2013
What's so bad about that?

I wonder, when I see so much bashing of Boston, so I appreciate this short OP on this and the info.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
48. People don't sign up to be Muslim.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:09 AM
Apr 2013

The comparison isn't valid.

Something like, "not all frat boys are heavy drinking misogynists" would be a little more accurate, I think.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
52. police state
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

po·lice state
Noun
A totalitarian state controlled by a political secret police force.

==
I guess the cat is out of the bag - this guy in the OP isn't being very secretive.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
4. Um point in fact fascist states tend to make sure the milk comes from them.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:39 PM
Apr 2013

And the bread and anything else of worth.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
35. Well the propaganda behind the photo op is pretty brilliant, it has the facebook crowd swooning
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:29 PM
Apr 2013

However it begs the question, why the propaganda?

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
37. Did I say that? Are you assuming all propaganda orginates from the state?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:35 AM
Apr 2013

This meme by any definition of the word is propaganda, don't trust me look it up. Once you accept the meme for the propaganda then you can see where it leads to my next question. What type of nation would feels such a strong need to reassure itself that it isn't slowly turning into a fascist military prison state? Perhaps we doth protest to much.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
43. If it's propaganda, that implies that there is a propagandist behind it.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:24 AM
Apr 2013

And I'm not the one protesting here.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
44. You think the meme just made itself. Someone put the words over the photo
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

My guess is you didn't bother to look up the definition of propaganda. BTW you are protesting the fact that this is propaganda... which of course it is. Nationalism is one hell of a drug.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
75. Seems you need to bone up on the definition:
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013
propaganda - [prop-uh-gan-duh]

1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


You're saying this image was created & is being spread deliberately by some nefarious organization to bring about a police state, rather than what it actually is: 1) a picture of a cop doing something considerate for a citizen during a difficult time, 2) an unrelated, unconnected individual adding some appropriate text & posting it on the internet, and 3) further unrelated individuals seeing the image & spreading it around because they can recognize human compassion.

Don't get me wrong, I think the increasing militarism & creeping fascism of our police agencies is troubling & dangerous. But the events surrounding the Boston bombing & it's aftermath - including this image - are not part of that. We need more cops to act like human beings when dealing with the public, and doing so more often. That's the best way to prevent a police state. Not criticizing them when they do something nice.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
97. Where do I say nefarious? thats news to me. Just well meaning but ignorant nationalism imho
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:10 PM
Apr 2013

" Lobbying, advertising, and missionary activity are all forms of propaganda, but the term is most commonly used in the political arena. Prior to the 20th century, pictures and the written media were the principal instruments of propaganda; radio, television, motion pictures, and the Internet later joined their ranks."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
98. From your link:
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:23 PM
Apr 2013
"Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes use propaganda to win and keep the support of the populace."

How is that not nefarious?

And that's what you're talking about when you describe the Boston PD searching for a terrorist as a "fascist police state", right? Are you now saying that fascist police states aren't nefarious?
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
103. And you can't have it both ways.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:09 PM
Apr 2013

Either the image is propaganda, and is representative of the coming fascist police state - which also implies there is a nefarious propagandist behind it.

OR it's not.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
112. You're calling the image propaganda from a fascist police state.
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:29 AM
May 2013

But insist there's no propagandist behind it, and it's not being deliberately spread by any nefarious organization. Even though it needs all three to be actual "propaganda".

Got it.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
113. Your baffelment seems to come from a misunderstanding of how sets work
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:08 AM
May 2013

all advertisement is propaganda, not all propaganda is advertisement. Some advertisements come from the state others from private companies some even from private individuals, be they selling coke or jack boots it is all propaganda. You do not understand what propaganda is if you can not understand how the image in the OP is propaganda and why it can be the product of a well meaning private individual who is just deluded by his own blind nationalism. Just because you can not fathom this does not make it untrue. If you put words in my mouth then argue against them its called a straw man, if you think that all rectangles must be squares then I understand why you think that propaganda can only be produced by a nefarious organization, but it doesn't make it true and it makes you sound extremely silly.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
53. In all fascist police states, some humanity remains to become the focus of propaganda.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:26 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:11 PM - Edit history (2)

Every regime endeavors to show how kind and compassionate it is, particularly to loyal subjects who put up with authoritarian bullshit without compliant. Like this friendly guy delivering groceries to grateful French orphans.



Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
76. ++GOOD
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

The fact that someone had to point out, "See! It's not a police state" implies they were reacting to some concern that it is.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
101. fascist propaganda for the win
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:41 PM
Apr 2013

I'm not saying Boston, or the US, is a fascist police state.

But milk delivering milk has nothing to do with it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
72. Fascist states also tend to deny free and unconcerned speech critical of that government appearing
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:31 PM
Apr 2013

Fascist states also tend to deny free and uncensored speech critical of that government appearing on television, or print, on the Internet.... "and anything else of worth". So unless you're a fed and have clearance to do just that, I imagine you'll be sent to an internment camp soon for your post. Otherwise...

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
99. Do you consider that the US is the number one jailer in the world when you posted this?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:28 PM
Apr 2013

Did you ever pay attention to the keystone pipeline protest movement or by golly the occupy movement?

With my own eyes I have seen countless people arrested at 100% peaceful protests. We have protest zones in America now, just a few decades ago that would have been unthinkable but now it is common place.

“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” -George Orwell

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
11. Wait! That was staged!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

That's what THEY want you to think. Either that, or it's photo shopped!!!!

Seriously, I think it was great what he did. Alot of people don't realize, or care, that cops (most) are just hard working people like the rest of us.

Boston should have made us all proud, the way the CIty handled this. I know it made me proud.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
17. "LOL"? People have normalized to any attacker situation as being "terrorism" and do not mind
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:37 PM
Apr 2013

whatsoever any depth of measure taken in that creeping context, to "solve" it. People were forced from their homes. People had weapons aimed at them. Cops in homes without warrants. And this is just fine with everyone because TERROR!

Beware the depth of programming; those making $1 trillion every year through turning the US into a security state need your compliance each and every time they say "terrror". Because shouting "9/11" was getting old and wasn't working as well.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"...there is something terribly wrong in this country..." -V



Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force

January 30, 2013 |

The national security state has an annual budget of around $1 trillion. Of that huge pile of money, large amounts go to private companies the federal government awards contracts to. Some, like Lockheed Martin or Boeing, are household names, but many of the contractors fly just under the public's radar. What follows are three companies you should know about (because some of them can learn a lot about you with their spy technologies).

http://www.alternet.org/meet-contractors-turning-americas-police-paramilitary-force?paging=off

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
25. Movies? This is the real world son...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:54 PM
Apr 2013

you may wish you lived in that world.

I'm sure there are other countries you can move to where you REALLY are living in a TRULY fascist and policed state. If you're not moving there, go pop some pop corn and enjoy your fantasy.

Done with you too.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
61. Yes, be "done with" DU's truth-tellers. I'm certain you fully understand the NDAA's section 1021
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:41 PM
Apr 2013

allowing for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation. US citizens. Obama signed it twice and defended it in court after it was struck down as UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Obama fought for something unConstitutional.

If we are mocked and berated for applying critical thinking to this and to the full Trend stemming from BushCo's 9/11 neocon power grab (start at the "patriot act", FISA, etc., "You are either with us or with the terrorists&quot , then this is indeed no longer America. Mocked for critical thought and 1st Amendment protest for the betterment of the country. NICE. It's part of the "TERROR" trend being foisted upon us, so "good work" in toe'ing the line. Which was begun by BUSH and fully carried forward by Obama.

I'm sure you checked the alternet link I posted regarding the plutonomists sucking in $1 trillion of our tax dollars a year to militarize the country against "terrorists", who are increasingly defined as "Americans". Along with the continuing 470% disparity in income inequality in the US, this appears to somehow be just fine with many. I have no idea why, but am fully aware of being berated for pointing out a simple truth and confirmable FACT.

"Done with you"? There are facts in front of you. If you are done with them, I strongly question your position. Of course, there is zero discussion occurring regarding the actual facts of the neocon power grab's continuing increase, such as DHS declaring 100 miles inland of the entire US border to be a zone of "suspicionless" seizure of electronics, for example. There goes the Fouth Amendment, and you're "done" with listening to it, about the creeping increase. Do you fully understand your position and its dangers?

Here is a link to the aforementioned DHS/seizure FACT, and many more, for those paying attention to what is plain and open regarding what is occurring. Fact-checkable, no conspiracy involved. Unless you consider the entirety of the trend to be a conspiracy against the American people and America itself. Check some facts. Facts are FUN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022767883#post48

And you said "Fascism". Know what that really is?

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Mussolini. You know, Hitler's good friend.

And we indeed have true fascism in the US, through the "citizens united" ruling, PAC lobbying (the "tea party" have been directly connected to the billionaire Koch brothers, as well as "citizens united", etc.) and a healthy plutonomy state. Here is a short list of Obama's corporate-coddling policies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445620

And you're berating me for telling the truth? You can't handle the truth (oops, a movie, sorry; everyone knows movies never contain or convey any truth).

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
57. Unbelievable, yes? Simply absolutist. If we're stuck on movies which tell the truth, then
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes."

If: questions government, Then: Alex Jones.

Part of a police state are citizens patrolling against any and all forms of dissent. Conform. Obey. Don't rock the boat. Don't change horses mid-stream. You're either with us or with the terrorists. When did dissent, or even questioning in general, become Verboten? There is a gang mentality developing and it is extremely ugly.

This country was founded upon protest against the abusive and unacceptable, for freedom. This very website was founded in protest against the abusive and unacceptable, for freedom. Now we're told we cannot even question in general, that questioning anything = Alex Jones. Is this is the future of the democratic party? And you do not even understand the slippery slope upon which you are ever more quickly sliding (down)? The $1 trillion a year "terrorism" industry is directly based upon Bush initiatives such as the "patriot act", FISA,

I suppose everyone who flame-baits DUs truth-tellers fully understands the NDAA's section 1021, and that Obama has signed it twice, and defended it in court after it was ruled unConstitutional. He defended something that had been ruled unConstitutional. Obama-bashing? Yes. It is our duty as AMERICANS to bash anything destroying AMERICA, and Democracy. The Bill of Rights is being destroyed systematically and people are defending the neocon/plutonomist perpetrators, rather than questioning them. O brave new world, that has such people in't.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
59. How is this not pure flame-bait? Thrill me with your acumen. And here are some confirmable FACTS
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

regarding what upsets me. FACTS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445620

We are dealing with facts, correct? Those are facts which cause me to question Obama and the government, because I'm an American and I want the best for this country and that is most certainly not occurring.

vduhr

(603 posts)
96. Do you actually know what flame-baiting is?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:09 PM
Apr 2013

Many here on this thread have expressed the same opinion as mine, yet I'M the flame-baiter? Well gosh. I guess I should just shut up now so that you don't get offended by opposing opinions.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
106. Obvious flame-baiter is obvious. Sorry, not goig to play as is most obviously the hope. n/t
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:02 PM
Apr 2013

Edit to anyone who wants to alert this, check a couple of posts up where I was accused of being an Alex Jones fan, or wannabe, I'm not certain and don't care, except that it is rude, insensitive, over-the-top, etc. yet I didn't alert. Why not focus your attention there?

vduhr

(603 posts)
108. Yes, please read my other posts.
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:30 AM
May 2013

I NEVER called you an "Alex Jones Fan", or "Alex Jones wannabe". I was simply making the comparison to the Alex Jones LIKE paranoia of "the government is coming for us" to the "police state" that you speak of. So, that is MY opinion on the subject, whether you say it or anyone else says it (and you are not the only one offering this opinion, I have seen it a lot on DU lately, so don't flatter yourself). Further, isn't calling for "alerting" my post as flame-baiting for simply giving my opinion about your ideas the very police state that you fear? I find it ironic that you are so eager to call for policing others' for disagreeing with you.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
109. You've most obviously not even read a single link I've proffered. Not a single word.
Wed May 1, 2013, 01:55 AM
May 2013

You have commented upon absolutely nothing except that I've introduced a truth-tellling cinematic example, and mocked it, and Alex Jones'd everything I've posted which you haven't either read or discussed. Then you try to turn my words, but I was not calling for an alert, merely stating that in the face of flamebait (because you are attacking, then and now, the poster and not the concepts presented) I didn't alert, not saying that someone should.

Attack me, attack the video clip without referencing its presentation of how control creeps into a society, don't discuss a single factual link I've presented. All you are discussing is your opinion. Nice monologue.

There are many, many checkable facts presented upthread regarding the very factual creep against our freedoms. Stop and Frisk in NYC is another (recently called unConstitutional, just like the NDAA section 1021...which Obama fought to keep, even after its being called unConstitutional by a judge. Check the facts and total the trend, because the trend began with George Bush and the neocons. To dismiss it, FISA, CISPA, NDAA, NDRP, DHS, TSA, etc. etc. etc. is to ignore the trillion taxpayer dollars a year going into the pockets of the rich in the process of killing the Bill of Rights...factual, checkable examples given in the links. Direct presentation of the destruction of portions of the Bill of Rights, and calls by Bloomberg in NYC to "interpret" the Constitution differently due to the Boston bombing. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution, under direct attack. I care, and hope others may come to as well.)

Here is more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022775243

And more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022775317

And more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022779371

"Bad movement"

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
23. Or as Daisy the Clover Cow was once told by Ben Franklin:
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:49 PM
Apr 2013

Those who would give up their liberty for the sake of milk are not deserving of either liberty or MILK."

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
15. so what? the fact that a policeman brought someone milk doesn't mean that he doesn't work
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:29 PM
Apr 2013

for a police state.

i'm not saying this is a police state; i'm saying that policemen bringing milk is no argument that it is not a police state.

contrary to stereotypical thinking, fascists sometimes are kind to children, puppies & kittens.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
21. not my fault you used a stupid example. the nazis ran youth camps. hitler loved babies &
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:46 PM
Apr 2013

animals.

still a fascist police state.

people can be be wonderful & generous to those they deem worthy, and go off to their job torturing 'enemies' every morning.

most germans didn't think they lived in a police state either. because it didn't affect them, only those 'others', who deserved it anyway.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
24. uh-huh, are you done yet?
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:51 PM
Apr 2013

You invoke nazis & Hilter and call my example stupid? You're done.

Go hide under your bed. Silliness.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
47. look at you..
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:06 AM
Apr 2013

all shiny and new; throwing out the insults. Way to make an entrance.

From the shallow end I see...

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
60. You're absolutely..
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:33 PM
Apr 2013

right.

I forgot my manners. Welcome to DU. I do hope you enjoy the site and all it has to offer, not just politics. May the odds be ever in your favor.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
34. your example *is* silly. mine is not, as nazis are the #1 example for 'police state'.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:11 PM
Apr 2013

when the discussion is about police states, who *should* i invoke? oz?

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
38. Yes in a discussion of "all the other fascist police states" invoking Nazis is silliness...thud
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:44 AM
Apr 2013

Do you read the things you post and check them against each other for consistency. Any legitimate discussion of fascism would almost have to include comparisons to the most notable fascist state ever. Nationalists never cease to amaze me. One doesn't even need to assume that the US is fascist to see how incredibly stupid this meme is.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
51. And yet you get so worked up...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

over, 'an incredibly stupid meme' (your words). Your problem is you and the others that are worked up don't like a little push back. And God fuckin' forbid that a cop is shown doing something nice.

Get the fuck over the picture, it really isn't that serious. It's a little push back on those pissing themselves over what happened. No biggie.

Put some ice on the whatever you 'thudded' maybe take some advil.

I hope you have a fantastic day. I know I will.

Ciao.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
27. The Germans occupying Norway were
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:55 PM
Apr 2013

Made to pay for bashed in windows after some Nazi Officers got rowdy and drunk and smashed things up one night.

And the German media made a good deal out of how many citizens of Czechoslovakia showed up to garland their rifles and cannons with flowers, as they were happy to be liberated from Stalin.

Elie Wiesel recounted how no one in his East European village believed the anguished tales of one of his relatives who had escaped a nearby town. That relative tried to explain how the Germans initially were very nice and pleasant to everyone, but then, after about three weeks in the village, suddenly demanded that all Jewish people join in a forced march to the outskirts of the town, where they were all shot.

In the end, Wiesel's boyhood town had a similar fate - its Jews were put on trains to the concentration cams, and few of his relatives and friends survived.



 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
73. What is the precise number of police states which allow for all practical intents and purposes
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

"most germans didn't think they lived in a police state either..."

What is the precise number of police states which allow for all practical intents and purposes, the freedom of speech to privately and/or collectively engage in free speech up to and including criticism of that same government on a message board seen by tens of thousands per day which is under neither duress nor coercion by that government?


"most germans didn't think they lived in a police state either"
Both Paul Kenndy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, and Joe Persico's Roosevelt's Secret War have contrary conclusions to rather vague premise. What sources are you relying on?

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
22. I saw that story. Fucked up imo...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
Apr 2013

I hope the motherfucker rots in jail.

What does that have to do with my OP?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
26. Someone should ask those teens whether they feel they live in a police state
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:55 PM
Apr 2013

Private, for profit prisons are a blight on humanity, slavery by another name.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
29. Apples and oranges...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apr 2013

You'll get no argument that what was done to them was beyond reprehensible. But to compare that to what was done in Boston is really a stretch.


Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
40. The apples are the US in the case of the teens and then oranges are the US in the case of boston?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 12:56 AM
Apr 2013

You understand we are talking about the same country. If you are a police start a gallon of milk dolled out here or there is meaningless. How many gallons of milk are worth the freedom of one innocent teen?

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
56. Of course you could have...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:35 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

predicted that.

WTF?

edited to remove the word 'it' from subject line

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
84. The forward slash in HTML indicates you are turning off something
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:44 PM
Apr 2013

I was turning off Condoleezza mode.

/explaining joke

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
90. I hang out on a site where "no one could have predicted" is always used ironically or sarcastically
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:55 PM
Apr 2013

It's gotten to be a habit using it that way.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
54. So this makes up for all the wrongs that the police do?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

Awesome. Glad to hear it. One cop delivered some milk. Way to go team.

Are the police still exercising warrant less searches in violation of the 4th Amendment? Yes.

Are the Police still ignoring suspects requests for an attorney? Yes.

Are the police still using routine lies to help make their case? Yes.

Does the system screw everyone, including the innocent? Yes.

If we are in a police state depends upon your point of view. If you have never personally seen the abuses that are carried out every day, if you are not troubled by the increasing violations of our rights to privacy, and travel, then no we are not in a police state. If you are troubled by the rapid expansion of the paramilitary police, and you are disturbed by the rampant big brother mentality of police. Then your answer may well be different.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
55. Lots of ASSumptions..
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

made from one little picture on a message board.

You may need to have a beer or smoke a little...you're wound way too tight.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
79. the system screws everyone with one crucial exception:
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:44 PM
Apr 2013

the very wealthy.

unless what they do is so egregious that the media can't ignore it, if you can pay, you can get custom results in our justice system.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
114. Oh I know.
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:09 AM
May 2013

Innocent until proven guilty. But even if after the trial you are found innocent, often your life savings is wiped out. How many times have we heard about whole families, parents and their children, who are destitute from legal fees? That is if you are found innocent, because the Juries often begin from the wrong frame of mind, that is that the accused must have done something to get here. They start from trusting the police, and that even if the police don't tell them everything, that the accused must have done something.

I was called from Jury Duty, and then rejected. They asked if I could follow the Judges instructions. My answer was what were the instructions? They asked what I meant. I told them that it depended upon the instructions as to my ability to follow them. St. Augustine began the principal, putting it into words. An unjust law is no law. The jury trial we got from England, who under the Magna Carta took the power of conviction from the King. The jury had the opportunity to decide if it was an unjust law, or was unjustly applied. Even if the accused did it, he could be found not guilty, because of this principal.

How many of you have heard the Judge say if you believe he has done this, beyond a reasonable doubt, you must find him guilty. That isn't true. You can find him anything you wish, for any reason you wish. If you think it is an unjust law, or unjustly applied, then you find them not guilty. Federal Marijuana offenses in states that have legalized Marijuana. Every single jury should find the defendant not guilty. Every one.

Lying to investigators is another charge in which the defendant should be found not guilty every single time. If the police are allowed, and encouraged by the court to lie to the suspect, why can't the suspect lie too?

Why is it that the Rich almost never get audited by the IRS when regular people do? The reason is that you and I show up with a shoe box of receipts, and are praying that we don't get screwed too bad. We have no idea what the law is, and we can only trust that the Auditor will treat us fairly. The rich guy doesn't show up. His lawyer does, with two accountants and three former IRS agents who know the law better than the auditor. They argue every deduction while quoting rules and regulations and precedence.

In the end, the average guy loses his shirt. The rich guy doesn't lose a dime. And we call that justice.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
71. um, this is a message board...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

that's what happens. You comment, someone replies.

In any case, I'm done with this silliness. I never thought I'd be arguing Hitler comparisons on a progressive/dem board. I did that with the right wing. They're the ones that do that.

Guess that's one thing some people here have in common with them. All one has to do is read this thread to see it.

Done.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
78. here's the problem:
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:42 PM
Apr 2013

i find it hilarious that people can't make the distinction between hard and soft fascism. they are either stupid (which can be corrected) or delusional (true believers are often beyond hope).

the police PR photo with the milkcop is not substantial evidence to disprove the notion that we do IN FACT have militarized police forces. whether you want to use the term "police state" is immaterial. there's plenty of evidence that points to the existence of soft fascism in this country.

the police PR photo with the milkcop isn't very convincing.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
74. Yet was lactose intolerant, and avoided dairy products... for example, milk.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:46 PM
Apr 2013

Yet Hitler was also lactose intolerant, and avoided dairy products... for example, milk provided by the Boston Police.


Six of one, half a dozen of the other and both worthy of little more than small print on toilet paper packaging.


99Forever

(14,524 posts)
81. Ahhh, I see...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:34 PM
Apr 2013

... the actions of one cop only defines all cops when (s)he is doing something nice or good.

Got it, I was confused 'bout that.



one_voice

(20,043 posts)
82. Apparently you're still confused...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:38 PM
Apr 2013

because I never said anything like this..

the actions of one cop only defines all cops when (s)he is doing something nice or good.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
85. Really?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:45 PM
Apr 2013

Sure seems to be the "message" you are selling.

One cop bringing milk = No police state

Isn't that YOUR equation?

If not, just what the fuck is your point?

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
88. First I'm not selling anything...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

Second...it's a picture that some seem to be taking way too seriously. Apparently there's a segment here that doesn't take kindly to a little push back.

I posted it without comment. I don't live in Boston, I wasn't in the middle of that shit, so I won't presume to know what the fuck happened there.

I've seen different versions from OMG they're taking away their rights (mostly from people not there) to people saying it's all good (mostly from people there).

So that's my fucking point.

Have a nice evening.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
91. Must be something wrong with my computer...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:03 PM
Apr 2013

... it shows a headline that seems to be written by you that reads:

"Just like all the other fascist police states..."

Strange, that.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
92. Taken from the photo...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:06 PM
Apr 2013

not my words...

yeah, must be something wrong with your puter.


edited to add: I'm wrong. I paraphrased the photo's words. From the bottom of the picture. Guess you got me.

edited: I was right, those words are right at the bottom of the picture: 'like all the other fascist police states' the only word that was mine was 'just' so nope not my words, taken off the photo, just as I thought.

I posted without comment, using words from the photo.

So you got nothing. You see nothing.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
94. No you really don't....
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:15 PM
Apr 2013

You basing your opinion on one thread says more about you than me.

Enjoy your evening.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
107. no, see update on post #92...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:11 PM
Apr 2013

I was right the first time. I did use words from the photo. But I'm sure you saw that.

I see you.

Bye now.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
115. I agree with you.
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:11 AM
May 2013

The Poster is pushing the idea that cops are wonderful folks, and when he's called on it, says that isn't his message at all.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
116. The poster is a she...
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

and I am doing no such thing. I posted ONE picture, one picture does not make a complete opinion of a group.

Stop making full on ASSumptions about me (as you did up thread as well). Or I will start making them about you and you will not like it.

I posted this picture WITHOUT comment, are you a mind reader?

Let me make it clear for you:

Yes I think what THIS cop did was nice.

NO I don't think ALL cops are wonderful. I think quite a few of them belong in jail.

Hope I cleared that up for you.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
117. You titled the thread
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

Was that false advertising? Intentionally misleading? Attempted sarcasm?

Or was it an attempt to counter the argument of others that the police powers given/taken was excessive?

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
118. I titled the thread from the picture...
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:00 PM
May 2013

I took the words from the picture. I only added 'just' at the beginning.

Look at the picture--at the bottom. The title came right from the picture.
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
119. But you choose those words.
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:04 PM
May 2013

You could have said not all cops are ruthless buggers. You could have titled it a moment of compassion in a storm of fear. Instead you titled it as you did, helping those who are using that picture to discredit people who complain about excessive police activity. Was that intentional or were you duped or unaware of the message put forth by the picture?

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
121. Ok..
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:29 PM
May 2013

you're looking for something that's not there.

When I post pictures I often/usually take words from the pictures to use in the subject line.

I trying to help anyone do anything. I was being honest when I said, that I thought this officer was doing a kind thing.

I am being honest when I say I believe there are very good cops and very bad cops.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Stop trying to make this into something that it's not.

That's it nothing more, nothing less.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
131. It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words.
Wed May 1, 2013, 07:14 PM
May 2013

But what thousand words exactly is the question. You say it is habit that you pick the title of the thread from the pictures you post. I'll accept that as true. But again, the message of the picture was and is interpreted by many to be propaganda aimed at discrediting those who speak out against police abuses. It is the kind of thing that always comes out whenever there are serious questions about a police activity or policy. I saw the same kind of things making the rounds on facebook when the cops in New York shot Sean Bell fifty times. You always see that kind of propaganda making the rounds whenever the police get caught stepping out of line.

Again, this is my opinion and in my experience. There is always someone who, like you, ran with the picture and spread the message, all cops aren't bad see...

But the truth is so very different. All cops routinely lie. They say that the behavior gave them reason to suspect. Trained observation is not playing a hunch right? We can go down the list, from the hypocritical police not wearing a seatbelt when it is required in all fifty states and the cops talking on a hand held cell phone while driving to the felonious battery of suspects that gets cops in trouble only when someone happens to catch it on video, if then.

What is the difference between what happens every day to unnamed men and women and what happened to Rodney King? The only difference is the video proved King was beaten to a pulp for no reason. Otherwise, good men and women, including yourself, are conditioned by society to take the cops word for it when you hear it was only the necessary force.

Routine lies. The police would only rarely seal off an area where an arrest was going on. Now, half the responding units are moving people back and around corners. That isn't to protect the suspect, or the citizens standing around. It's to make sure nobody videotapes anything that will get the cops in trouble. Cops are smart enough to know that video evidence is their worse enemy.

Now, do I believe there are some good cops? Yes, but they are part of the community of silence, and they stay quiet when they see something wrong, and they write in the reports that everything was done right, to protect the bad ones.

Many years ago, I proposed that police should have to take a Lie Detector test every six months. My argument then, and now, is that we require that of people with top secret clearances and access to top secret documents. Just a few simple questions, like have you lied on an official form, or have you lied under oath. Have you panted evidence or beaten anyone. Have you seen, or heard anyone else do these things.

Now, being a staunch defender of Civil Liberties, I'm not suggesting we prosecute the cop if he fails the lie detector test. Perhaps he/she is having a bad day. Perhaps it's a bad time at home. Give him/her a couple weeks, and then let them test again. If they still can't pass, then they have to leave the badge, and gun, behind when they leave. They can't be prosecuted for failing a lie detector test, but they can't be cops either. We'll never do that. Because the cops would quit if they had to prove they were telling the truth, the way that people with Top Secret Clearances have to prove they are not leaking information.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
132. I'm so done with explaining myself...
Wed May 1, 2013, 07:58 PM
May 2013

I've clearly stated my position. I will however address this part of your post:

Now, do I believe there are some good cops? Yes, but they are part of the community of silence, and they stay quiet when they see something wrong, and they write in the reports that everything was done right, to protect the bad ones.



with this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2781836

I really wish people would stop putting thoughts, words and intentions into my mouth. I post things I think are interesting. I don't always agree with them, sometimes I don't have an opinion one way or another but it's something being talked about.

I don't need a lesson on good cops/bad cops, I've seen both up close and personal. So I'll than you and everyone else that thinks they know my mind and wants to lecture me on what I they THINK they know about to take a fuckin' second and ask.

You want me to tell you about the cops that told my mom she deserved to be beat cuz she married a black man (not married to him anymore)? See, maybe if you'd taken a second to ASK me what I thought rather than trying force feed what YOU thought I believed this would have been a different conversation.

But you still refuse to accept that I didn't post this as propaganda, so now I'm done explaining.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
133. I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself well enough apparently.
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:37 PM
May 2013

I accepted that it was habit. I merely said you were posting it as part of your pattern. However, there is always someone like you, who will post a picture like this when questions about the police come about. Someone who sees a picture, like you did, and thinks that it should be spread. For lack of a better phrase, viral propaganda. Often times you are unaware that you are carrying the virus when you unintentionally infect someone else. I'll use that phrase until another one comes to me, or I get a better phrase from another.

As for the experiences you've had with police. I am sorry, and I wish I could create the police force, I suspect we both want. One where rights of all are respected. I doubt that I'll ever see that day.

I was not chastising you in that last missive. I was explaining myself, and why I find these pictures and videos that always start to circulate when some cop somewhere gets caught screwing up in an undeniable fashion. I used your thread, perhaps you could say hijacked if you were so inclined, to reiterate a thought I had some time ago.

To summarize, I believed you. The last post was not intended in challenge or chastisement. I'm sorry you took it that way.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
126. Really? And you know this how?
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:37 PM
May 2013

Cuz you asked? uh nope.

Right, cuz you ASSumed.

Trying reading the thread maybe you'll know how I feel about cops.

You're blind hatred is another issue right?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
127. Reality! For every fucking milk delivery I will show you a beating. But....
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
May 2013

I assume you think those are made up stories!

Let me find a 'Cop saves cat in tree' story for you! Heart warming! Ahhhhhh!

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
128. No I don't think those stories are made up...
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:51 PM
May 2013

and I think those cops should face harsher penalties than the average person.

My brother was a cop he was a good cop. He ended up leaving the department because it became too hard for him after he outed some cops that did wrong. So I know about bad cops. I know what happened to my brother when he did the right thing. All he ever wanted was to be a cop, he made the SWAT team but wasn't able to stay on because he had to choose, do the right thing or keep his mouth shut. He works for the railroad now.

You don't have to look for a cop that did a good thing, I know one personally. Thanks anyway.

Have a nice day.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
129. Well, good for your brother, you should be proud of him.....
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:57 PM
May 2013

My problem is that cops doing nice things should not be amazing news! It should be the norm!

Firemen save life's all the time. But very seldom are in the news for roughing up a home owner who did something wrong.

Police are corrupt and police unions protect them.

I 100% agree the milk story is a good one, but changes nothing about police abuse.

Thanks for chatting!

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
130. I am very proud of him..
Wed May 1, 2013, 01:02 PM
May 2013

I love him for what he did. But now there's one less good cop.

Police abuse definitely needs to be addressed. The bad cops should go, not the ones that point it out.





Cha

(295,925 posts)
110. And, from the People who are actually in Boston..
Wed May 1, 2013, 02:41 AM
May 2013
Boston manhunt a victory for cooperation - not tyranny

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing manhunt the paranoid wing of the nation’s chattering class will not stop freaking out about how it was handled.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022777561

thanks one voice
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