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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 02:58 PM Apr 2013

Majority of Gun Dealers Haven’t been Inspected in Last 5 Years

Majority of Gun Dealers Haven’t been Inspected in Last 5 Years


Federal inspectors have not checked nearly 60% of the licensed firearms dealers in the United States in the last five years, much to the consternation of gun-control advocates.

An audit of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) by the U.S. Department of Justice’s inspector general found that 58% of gun sellers have operated since 2008 without any government inspections.

The IG also uncovered that it takes anywhere from one to three years for ATF to revoke a gun dealer’s license after finding serious violations.

Violations of record-keeping rules went up 276% over a nine-year period, according to the report, while the number of firearms licenses revoked dropped 43%.

Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, told USA Today that ATF has “an appalling lack of resources” to do its job.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/majority-of-gun-dealers-havent-been-inspected-in-last-5-years-130426?news=849864

Hmmm funding for more resources? Naw...let's just make new laws that won't be funded either and when they don't help start all over again.

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Majority of Gun Dealers Haven’t been Inspected in Last 5 Years (Original Post) The Straight Story Apr 2013 OP
Impossible! Responsible Gun Dealers would Never Allow Non-Inspection!!! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #1
FFL holders don't get a choice ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #3
What could possibly go wrong? No inspections in five years? That's nothing! AndyA Apr 2013 #2
Do you think the kind of FFL might matter in that? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #4
"Other than destructive devices" AndyA Apr 2013 #6
I would hope the BATF uses more thought than that ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #7
ATF has 5100 employees and a budget of $1.15 Billion, Lurks Often Apr 2013 #5
Their budget exhibits should be on line ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #8
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. Impossible! Responsible Gun Dealers would Never Allow Non-Inspection!!!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:02 PM
Apr 2013


And "most illegal guns are stolen," and other lies from the gunner motherfuckers.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
3. FFL holders don't get a choice
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

It would also be good for them to show what class of dealer gets inspected and which ones do not.

What? You don't think it matters? You say that is irrelevant detail? Then that would be 'other lies from the anti gunner motherfuckers'.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
2. What could possibly go wrong? No inspections in five years? That's nothing!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:03 PM
Apr 2013

Why, I know of a plant down in Texas that hasn't been inspected in...oh...nevermind.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
4. Do you think the kind of FFL might matter in that?
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 04:33 PM
Apr 2013

Type 1: Title 1 dealer or gunsmith other than destructive devices. Can also deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 3 tax stamp.

Type 2: Title 1 dealer doing business as a pawnbroker.

Type 3: Licensed collector of Curio & Relic (C&R) firearms.

Type 6: Licensed manufacturer of ammunition and reloading components other than ammunition for destructive devices and armor piercing ammunition.

Type 7: Title 1 manufacturer of firearms and ammunition, who may also act as dealer; may not manufacture or deal in destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, or armor piercing ammunition. Can also manufacture & deal in Title II NFA firearms with class 2 tax stamp.

Type 8: Importer of Title 1 firearms and ammunition. Can also import Title II NFA firearms with class 1 tax stamp.

Type 9: Dealer in firearms, including destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, and armor piercing ammunition. Requires payment as an SOT Class 1 (can act as an NFA Dealer). To deal/broker any DD with an explosives content (e.g. flash-bangs) requires an additional Federal Explosives License as a Dealer of High Explosives.

Type 10: Manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and ammunition components, manufacturer of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, and armor piercing ammunition; may also deal in all of the aforementioned items. Requires payment as an SOT Class 2 (can act as an NFA Dealer). To manufacture any DD with an explosives content (e.g. flash-bangs) requires an additional FEL as a Type 20 Manufacturer of High Explosives.

Type 11: Importer of firearms, ammunition, destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices, and armor piercing ammunition; may also deal in all the aforementioned items. Requires payment as an SOT Class 1. To import any DD with an explosives content (e.g. flash-bangs), requires an additional FEL[3] as an Importer of High Explosives.

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That a small time gunsmith with a Type 1 that does not get inspected would not bother me compared to a Type 1 Dealer with a Class Three that does a lot of business.

Lack of BATF inspection of Type 6 ammunition manufacturers would bother me less than Type 2 pawnshops. (OSHA/safety inspections would be a different matter)

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
6. "Other than destructive devices"
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

All guns are destructive devices.

Since they serve only one purpose--to kill--yes, I think anyone involved in the sale or transfer of guns should be inspected regularly.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
7. I would hope the BATF uses more thought than that
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:41 AM
Apr 2013

Activity and risk should drive who gets checked more than mere possession. I know FFL holders who have not done a transaction in years. Curio and Relics (Type 3) being a case in point.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
5. ATF has 5100 employees and a budget of $1.15 Billion,
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 05:50 PM
Apr 2013

I'm curious how those employees and money are allocated.

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