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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is very odd that Rusian Tsarni was married to Graham Fullers daughter.
I'm not even going to begin to speculate about some conspiracy theory. It is one of those things...like many others which we've been told or discover.. especially over the last decade.. which doesn't sit right. He lived with him for a year in Maryland. Just a little piece of information that I wasn't expecting and really, really is a wtf moment.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)but yeah, it's definitely a "wtf?".
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Who is Graham Fuller, for example? Maybe this was something from another thread? I'm confused.
libodem
(19,288 posts)He is a CIA agent. I just read it somewhere. Sibel Edmonds fingered him as a rouge, long ago.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)OK, now I'm even more confused. I did a search, but found only claims and not much else. Besides, this daughter was married to someone briefly, and then got divorced. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, really.
This all sounds like people looking for shit that doesn't really matter.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Not rouge. My bad.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Very briefly.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)Kali
(55,002 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)It was her waving a butcher knife at me that was the last straw.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Rouge is makeup.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Then it's a book, or something.
libodem
(19,288 posts)From rouge.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)highly placed positions. Its sort of a giant WTF that will fuel conspiracy theories for decades.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)daughter, but they got divorced. How does this have anything to do with anything we care about? How does it connect with Boston, except by a short-term marriage. Sounds like bullshit to me, frankly.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)So the nephews of a made man in a crime family commit a huge crime. Nothing to see here, move along? Or that actually is a huge story line that needs a full explanation? You tell me. I vote for "full investigation". Aint gonna happen. These two shitheads are too well placed.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)to the thread. This thread is junk. I'm out.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)yeah I forgot.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)This is one of the more interesting threads I've seen on du lately. Especially if you were following the Bush gang's criminal enterprises on liberal boards where some fascinating facts were revealed throughout that disastrous administration.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)That's what I do when I am not familiar with an acronym. After I looked it up, I knew what the reference was about.
Thanks for your reply.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)A masterful stroke, indeed.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)there may be a rabbit. My beagle/basset hound Dude knows that, and is sure to check each one.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Where ya been for the last fifteen years, man?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)The BFEE Skull & Boner Boys and their Occult Republican operations....shit.
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Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)American family. There is no way anyone could ever accuse them of doing anything wrong, or criminal. That would be an outrage!
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)When the opposite is true?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)BFEE is a conspiracy theory with some truth mixed in, granted. It is someone's imagination at work trying to describe a real situation, granted. But the empire is far greater than these pawns.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)They ARE powerful, unfortunately. They play and have played a big role, very big, over several decades in the building of what has become an Empire. But BFEE doesn't mean they are THE whole empire. It is not meant to be taken literally, but to be descriptive of the immense power this one family has accumulated which certainly can't be denied. They may be 'minions' of the real Empire, but they are pretty powerful minions.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I cannot believe I am seeing people deny the BFEE is as powerful as it is, on DU, of all places.
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)look at her page, same kind of shit
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Well, to each their own I suppose.
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)then I shower and check out The Fogbow!
That woman is a schreeching nutcase.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I have a different type of curiosity.. a little more cynical perhaps but I didn't start off that way. I can guarantee you one thing, "move along, nothing to see here", has not served us well in the past.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)together with some of the other things we are learning it is definitely one more very interesting 'coincident'.
Brings back memories actually of other coincidences we learned about several years ago. It is always fascinating to see a 'dot' as it were connected to some other 'story' that had its own very interesting connected dots.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)One of the first responders to these shots fired at MIT was Richard D Donohue JR, who had attended Police Academy with Collier. He was shot later on Thursday evening during a shootout with the Tsarnaev brothers in Watertown. Tamerlan was killed in the shootout but his teenage brother was not apprehended until Friday evening. He remains in hospital.
...
The 27-year-old enjoyed mountain climbing, training young boxers and playing kickball on a team called Kickhopopotamus. According to the Daily Mail, Collier had been a volunteer at the boxing gym where Tamerlan was a member and is believed to have helped with his training.
Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/MIT-cop-Sean-Collier-was-shot-execution-style-because-terrorists-needed-a-gun-204653531.html
So Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Sean Collier knew each othe from the gym.
Sean Collier and Richard Donohue went to Police Academy together. Donohue was shot and almost killed, possibly by "friendly fire".
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)It seemed as if it was random, but possibly not. What a cold-blooded thing to do especially if he knew him and went to kill him just to get a gun.
I am glad that Richard Donohue survived and I hope he makes a full recovery. It's possible he will know more about the relationship between the two.
Thank you for the links.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)but it is strange. If you just think about the fact that there is someone with the insight and power of Fuller as a father in law and obviously wanting the best for his daughter and husband who are living with him for a year. People with connections have connections. That's just the way it is. I watched Rusian's interviews and really liked him. I expressed that I believed him to be authentic here. He reminded me of my father which is rare occurrence. Still, there is something here which deserves scrutiny.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)It's an easy mistake to make.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Played this in community orchestra years ago.
One of the favorite Russian "potboiler" overtures.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)learned of another. That the officer shot and killed was known to the older brother from the boxing gym. So did he know the officer's schedule and deliberately seek him out to get the gun? At first it seemed random.
I liked the uncle also, he seemed genuinely distraught and understandably very angry at his nephews. And nothing changes that.
But the connection is a new piece of information that I'm sure many people will find interesting.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)You will find them
Never fails
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Some of us are more highly connected than others, of course, but we're all connected.
There are even connections to connections. I used to have a connection, but he moved to Oregon.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)*kidding*
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just thought that should be noted.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)http://www.amazon.com/Future-Political-Islam-Graham-Fuller/dp/1403965560
It is VERY interesting that a man of such knowledge could have had anything to do with this. One can imagine it influenced his daughter. Totally political. Definitely a
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2739231
Sarkozy and Wisner were also connected through a marriage, I wonder if it helped him much.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)but don't link to anything or explain anything or even give us a hint about what the heck you're talking about. You have assumed something that is not accurate in assuming that people reading DU can read your mind, or have just finished reading something you also read.
Tell us why you're posting this, provide a link, or explain what you're talking about. That will save a lot of time.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Some threads are bewildering. If people explained a little more, at least I'd know where to look.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)should really be in Creative Speculation. That would have saved me several minutes of trying to figure out whether it was nonsense or not. I have wasted those minutes.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)No investigator would blow this off without looking into it.
Is it just a woo-woo coincidence - Stupefation Style?
As usual, there are many INTERESTS which will make the woo-woo noises to wave the Hounds of Truth away without SUFFICIENT SNIFFING.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and we now know that it wasn't a theory at all, it was practiced. But the early voices against the war were teased and laughed at too.
I don't know what the OP is about but what I am noticing a lot lately is that conspiracy does not exist on DU!. And that is so much full of b.s. We are being conspired against by the powers every single day in all kinds of ways.
Call me Alexia Jones if you like, but if you can deny this then less power to you, I suppose.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I'll leave the speculation and investigation to those who do it professionally. I said it is odd and it is.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What precisely (and relevant to the context) makes it appear odd to you?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)was a financial supporter of George H.W. Bushs 1980 presidential primary campaign, would that make me a conspiracy theorist too? What if I mentioned: "The Hinckley family is related in three ways to the Bush family. Both families descent from Samuel Hinckley, Sarah Hinckley (née Soole), Thomas Lathrop, Sarah Lathrop (née Learned), John Gallup, and Hannah Gallup (née Lake)." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley,_Jr#Bush.E2.80.93Hinckley_family_connection
Honestly, that looks like you are making an assumption of conspiracy theorists, when, in fact, the poster simply said something was odd about that. I can understand if you want links to where that is mentioned, because I would want a source too, but just because someone mentions some interesting trivia about a subject does not mean they are making up a conspiracy theory. Can you at least agree that the coincidence IS interesting?
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)to read or watch?
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)Every morning, I watch democracy now, read DU, follow links, check RT, and a few other favorites. I do not watch tv nor do I watch msm even online.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)RT isn't news. It's propaganda. The rest of the links where this story have appeared are all pretty much off-the-wall web sites and blogs. And you expect people to get your empty references? Try a link, or an explanation, and your posts will be of more interest, I think.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)what right do you have to say that rt is propaganda. Do you ever watch or are you stuck in mainstream media land and trying to lecture me? Get over yourself and pay attention. Read everything and discern what is true for yourself. Oh god. Pitiful excuse you use. Do you really think that if it is not on msm it is not news? Are you an adult?
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I have the right to express my opinion, and my opinion is that RT is a propaganda outlet. That opinion is based on reading RT links that have been posted on DU.
I read lots of sources, and filter them based on their reputations.
And, yes, I am an adult.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)your opinion would be of more interest to me if you had a broader frame of reference. Blacklisting news info based upon the opinions of others is a bit naïve. Did you also believe Judy Miller and her articles in the New York Times about wmd's in Iraq?
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)and by your own account. I read all sorts of sources, including ones I think are suspicious or slanted. I just take that into consideration. You have stated that there are many sources you never read or watch. RT is propaganda. That does not mean that I don't look at links to RT. It just means that I look at them carefully and check other sources before accepting anything RT says.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)and I will not ever again. All that is news is readily available if you have an interest and curiosity. please, stop attacking me and this thread, it is not about me. It is simply about the fact that a piece of information is mind boggling. You have attacked the thread, the source and now attempt to put words in my mouth about what I read. You have yet to address the information other than to say it is speculation. Truly, I have no interest in all of the distractions you have attempted in each post. I have an interest as to duers thoughts about this relationship. Amazingly enough, someone might post an entire history of things they know about graham fuller. Duers are like that...filled with information and insight that they are willing to share. That is the reason for the entire op.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)NBachers
(17,080 posts)The Weighty Significance Of It All still hasn't registered.
Maybe a chalk board with diagrams and connections would help straighten it all out.
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MineralMan
(146,248 posts)This thread is say out there. I think it belongs in Creative Speculation or something.
The truth is out there...somewhere...anywhere...or maybe hidden under a rock.
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FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Richard Warren Russell -> Warren King Russell II -> Katherine Russell
He is survived by Katherine Wehmann Russell, his wife of 56 years; his children Dr. Warren King Russell II, Elizabeth Suzanne Russell, Margaret Warburg and Richard Andrew Russell; as well as seven grandchildren, one great-grandchild, and his beloved dog, "Dude."
http://hosting-24281.tributes.com/show/Richard-Warren-Russell-92719945
George Herbert Walker Bush was a Skull and Bones member and graduated from Yale in 1948.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)They have their greazy fingers in a lot of funky pies.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)...
Berlum
(7,044 posts)The coincidence connection doesn't make it "all clear" to me or probably anyone else, but it does raise questions. It would in my view be a dereliction of a citizen's democratic duty to fail to ask the questions, no matter whether the answers lead to the Twilight Zone, the Realm of Ridiculous Hilarity, or Some Stanky Cabal of Republicans Ghouling it up like the Living Dead in a freaking frat-boy Krypt.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:52 PM - Edit history (2)
Richard Warren Russell S&B 1951
Richard George Russell S&B 1981
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Skull-And-Bones1833-1985.htm
s & b founder:
William Huntington Russell (russell & co) S&B 1833
note on edit: rw russell (1951) is no relation to wh russell, the founder of s&b.
when i heard the name 'russell' i vaguely wondered, but then i thought, 'nah, how would a random chechen immigrant wind up married to some relation to *the* russells, they just wouldn't run in the same circles.' (note: the two russell families don't seem to be related but i'm leaving my original post up. i assumed there must be a relation because both russells were s&b, but not the case)
ruslan being an oil lawyer is a little freaky, but not so much as this.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)So Katherine Russell was named after her grandmother.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)& the skull & bones founder's family, though, unless it was back before the 1700s.
still a rather well-off boston-area family though.
http://www.russelleng.com/
http://books.google.com/books?id=9QgtAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=james+russell+boilerworks&source=bl&ots=DMOlWDjWhp&sig=9yPmw8_lnhPbepjBuRqFR3zUUVw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Xe9-UZKuD8nAiwK72YCYBA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=james%20russell%20boilerworks&f=false
Massachusetts State Representatives James Hazen Carleton...Henry Warren Wilson
http://archives.lib.state.ma.us/handle/2452/204423?show=full
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~russellkeir/DuncanAnnRussell.html
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Douglas-Dewar-Russell-engineer-yachtsman-2586213.php
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)There seem to be a number of Russells who have attended Yale over the years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noadiah_Russell_(Yale_founder)
The Reverend Samuel Russell was another founder of Yale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Russell_(Yale_co-founder)
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I can't imagine posting such a thing.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)You've been frantic to shut this thread down from your first post. All the while admitting or pretending you don't know who's being discussed. Authoritarian much?
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I didn't. I won't. You're confused. What I wanted was some sort of reference so the thread made some sort of sense. Now that the references are there, it doesn't make much sense, still. Oh, well.
I never even suggested that the thread should be shut down. That came from your imagination, I think. I asked for answers.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Getting wished in to the cornfield is pretty much the same thing.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Judging from some of the links, I'm almost certain of it. And yet, here it is, and I'm here participating in it. My comments have no effect on what happens to a thread. None whatsoever.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)Hopsicker is a conspiracy huckster and he's pushing the "theory" that Fuller recruited the Tsarneavs to do the bombing, 'cause you know, just connect the dots.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Whatever a Hopsicker is...wait...hops. Beer. It all has to do with a brewery. The Brewmaster did it! Case solved! You just have to follow the connections, see...
libodem
(19,288 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Sounds like the beginnings of a CT.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Fuller, former CIA officer in Turkey and vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council, told Al-Monitor that internet rumors about possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd.
Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years, and they lived in Bishkek for one year where Samantha was working for Price Waterhouse on privatization projects, said Fuller, who retired from the CIA in 1987. They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so and they were divorced in 1999, I believe.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/islam/daughter-ex-cia-agent-graham-fuller-once-married-tsarnaev-brothers-uncle
Of course the Russians would know all about this, so when they contacted the FBI/CIA about his nephew, they would say almost nothing and be careful to not reveal means and methods.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)it is hard to take anything seriously.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Nothing I am sure.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)a woman who is the daughter of someone else. That's significant, no doubt. Then they got divorced. That was probably the trigger for the Boston Marathon bombing. Divorce embitters some men. How does that sound? Now, all we need to know is who Ruslan's divorce lawyer was. Probably there's a connection there, too.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Big Foot, Bat Boy & Jones handled the case.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)No way would I waste my time on a post in which I have no interest or which I think is nonsense. Must have a lot of time oon your hands.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)work contract. Then you can ask me about concrete swimming pool building.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Not the concrete swimming pool people! You do know who they are messed up with.
Lifeguards!!1
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Despite their connections. I have it on good authority that Jimmy Hoffa is buried under a concrete swimming pool. Don't let on that you heard that, though.
Did you know that there's a concrete swimming pool at the White House? George W. Bush swam in it, and so have other Presidents. It's the common connection between them all. It's the chlorine that does it.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)the conspiracy theorists were saying the whole family especially the mother and wife and father and uncle and cat and dog and pidgeon is innocent
then that meme was turned around
and now the mother and family and wife are part of a jumbo conspiracy theory
wtih breadcrumbs strewn all around
(except that the parrot is eating the breadcrumbs and some of them dribbling out and being deposited accidentally leading the trail otherwise
two haterperps going on a fameseeking killride.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm sure I'll get flamed, but it's bothered me for a week now.
The younger brother, Jahar, is STILL being defended by his friends, he's been called "a lovely child," by one of his teachers and he seems to have not done anything more illegal than smoke a bit of dope, yet, all of a sudden he can just "flip" and allegedly join his brother on a bombing brigade?
Much like Holmes and Loughner, his alleged "deadly" transformation has come from NO WHERE. WHY is this happening? (I won't put Lanza in this category, as it seemed he had other challenges that we're not at all sure of).
I saw a video of Jahar with his niece over the weekend and he DOES seem like "a lovely child." Their exchange reminds me of my 14-year-old and his 5-year-old sister - he's sweetly picking on her, but ends up just kissing her. Maybe I'm weird, but I'm just having a really difficult time wrapping my head around the compartmentalization that Jahar must have had to do what he's accused of.
(BTW, Jahar is innocent until proven guilty or pleading guilty. I'll refrain from calling him "The Bomber" or judging him without seeing all the facts. I used to be a crime reporter and could have gotten sued for referring to someone as guilty when they have not been adjudicated as such.)
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)off this kind of thing, they have to have a double life. I don't think you want any hint of something being off or draw any attention to yourself.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)In the US of A the ketchup market is dominated by Heinz. Former Pennsylvania Senator John Heinz III was killed in an "accident" while a passenger in a small plane. His widow, Teresa, is now married to US Secretary of State John Kerry, another member of Skull and Bones.
Connect the dots, people!
Connect.
The.
Dots.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)There's a story behind that, I'm certain, with ties to nefarious characters with suspicious backgrounds. A thorough investigation is in order, I believe.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)Word to the wise.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)"Marathon Oil and the Boston Marathon Bombing - Is There a Connection?"
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)If someones says anything different they get laughed at.
It is OK to think about what you hearing from the news.
This whole Boston thing was weird from the start.
Two brothers who didn't have a escape plan or money to get away.
It is just odd.
I will keep my mind open to I hear all the facts.
Yes something did happen and people were killed and injured.
I just want to know all the facts why, and how it happened.
I just don't believe something because I see it on tv.
I hope the truth whatever it is comes out.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I wasn't trying to promote any CT or allege anything other than I think it's odd that this boy, who by all accounts was a sweet, normal, regular kid, all of a sudden flips and is accused of something this horrendous. Not that he was the first sweet and normal kid to do so, mind you.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)I just found this whole thing odd from the beginning, starting with the backwards white baseball cap.
I know a retired police officer who agrees with me.
People are upset about what happened, so am I.
I just don't think anyone should believe everything they hear on the news.
CNN is not a trusted news source.
I want the truth, thats all.
ecstatic
(32,641 posts)And what do you make of the video footage of him setting the bomb behind a child and then tweeting that night as if nothing happened?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I heard the FBI has it, but I haven't seen it yet.
LeftInTX
(25,101 posts)He was putting up a few posts online here and there, indicating a more fundamentalist point of view but nothing that concerned anyone.
And after seeing the mom, it's obvious that Dzhokhar came from a very dysfunctional home. Add to this, the bullying brother who was becoming increasing radicalized.
He seems like he was a nice kid and I was surprised at first too.
bike man
(620 posts)in the past.
Is this CT worthy?
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)too weird to make up.. nothing surprises me any longer
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)You are going to piss off some of the old timers. They do not like this sort of thing and will shut you down, or at least piss all over this thread.
That being said, I appreciate threads like this, and am glad they haven't been completely censored from DU. YET.
Very interesting. It's hard to turn a blind eye to odd coincidences like this.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I personally am tired of the 6 degree stuff.
We all come from the same great apes.
One good thing about conspiracy theories in 2013- Like Ralph Nader and 3rd parties, they are so outlandish that never again will a conspiracy theory be taken seriously as they are a dime a bad pulp drugstore novel a dozen.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)if they have the official stamp of approval on them.
what you actually mean is that you have a problem with conspiracies involving elements of the ruling government cliques or corporate america.
those we aren't allowed to know about until 50 years after the fact.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)same conspiracy theorists and deniers think the kids in Conn. did not die.
Think there were no airplanes on 9-11. That no one died.
That the WTC is still standing or whatever they believe.
Don't like Bush? Don't elect Jeb.
Visit the Holocaust museum. Visit the memorial at Oklahoma City. Visit downtown NYC
where every day going in from NJ to NY I see the skyline and nope, I no longer see the WTC standing (yup, it fell.)
Finally the silent majority are speaking up against these ct's and the ct'ers.
Follow those breadcrumbs. It's the silent majority 80% of the country saying NO to cts.
one thing all these ct's do. It just makes the ct'ers the boy who cried wolf, chicken little and
all. Meaning they have drowned themselves out.
The world is changing. 80-20 forever til its 90-10.
The silliest thing about CT's is the same people think government is so inept and can't do anything. Yet they can concoct the wildest conspiracy theories Hollywood could write, and then, keep quiet.
Look at the two thrillkill haters. They bragged about it to the person they carjacked and let him go.
Perps always talk. Why else do they bother to do things, if not to talk.
They can't keep their mouths closed.
To think 9-11 didn't exist, and to think 3000 people didn't die and that they wired buildings.
And no one talked?
It would have taken 100s and 100s and 1000s of people world wide and no one talked?
It boggles the mind, especially as they say government is so inept.
Conspiracy theories want the world to always be 50-50, so their cottage industry can continue and their vineyard of whine will prosper with their stories.
Sorry I don't follow breadcrumbs.
Boston put everything in context. BTW, I actually walked up to a police office this week and said Thank You. Funny thing is, conspiracy theories led me to do just that.
"it's funny when you get that close, it's kind of hard to hate" c)Harry Chapin.
(who died in a tragic car accident on the L.I.E.(no, that is not LIE, that is the Long Island Expresssway), and the tragic accident,that was not a conspiracy,not a little green martian and NO, a manchurian didn't do it, and Harry's words live on).
BTW, no, wait, that will make a good new thread at a later time. TBC
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Governments can do evil things.
I will continue to think for myself and not let others think for me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)angle upon which to waste the next 3 months to several years vainly attempting to find a conspiracy.
GoneOffShore
(17,336 posts)We can't all be Kevin Bacon.
Perhaps the second half of my sig line is relevant.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....was CIA, big-time CIA?
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I don't think anyone said that the uncles phones were tapped
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I learned in the past few hours thru this thread that the uncle, Rusian has a ten year relationship with Halliburton. I learned that his ex wife is not only the daughter of a well connected cia person but that she is the granddaughter of the founder of skull and bones. I don't understand why factual information is ct. Unfolding facts are good enough. How anyone interprets or investigates is up to them. .but the facts alone continue to keep this entire thing in the wtf category.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Trouble is, some of the "facts" are totally wrong and you've got it mixed up.
There's no Skull and Bones connection. It was just a name coincidence dug up by a poster and thrown at the wall to see if it would stick, see post #98.
And Ruslan (not Rusian, btw) wasn't married to Katherine Russell. She's the widow of Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Graham Fuller was, among other things, station chief in Kabul.
Katherine Russell is the grandaughter of a Yale graduate and member of Skull and Bones. But her grandfather is not a direct descendent of the Russell who founded Skull and Bones. However they almost certainly descend from the Russell family members who founded Yale and were prominent Congregationalist clergy in the early days of Connecticutt. In particular, the family has a habit of reusing first names like William and Samuel from generation to generation.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)In fact, there's no reliable source to back up this story about Samantha Ankara Fuller, either.
As it stands, it's all just speculation, and some of it has been quite creative.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The couple divorced in 1999 more than ten years after he left the agency in 1987.
'Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years, and they lived in Bishkek for one year where Samantha was working for Price Waterhouse on privatization projects,' Mr Fuller said.
'They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so and they were divorced in 1999, I believe. I, of course, retired from CIA in 1987 and had moved on to working as a senior political scientist for RAND.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315929/Boston-terror-suspects-uncle-married-CIA-officers-daughter-shared-home-agent.html
http://backchannel.al-monitor.com/index.php/2013/04/5090/former-cia-officer-absurd-to-link-uncle-of-boston-suspects-agency-over-daughters-brief-marriage/
Turborama
(22,109 posts)But, so what?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)There is also another brother with the last name of Tsarni. Chechens work as translators and analysts at CIA and NSA or subcontractors of those organizations. They live where you'd live if you wanted to be able to commute to either Ft Meade or McLain.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)and then attempting to built a ct is another.. sharing information and discussing that information is necessary and I think responsible. if you don't think so, there are a lot of other threads which are attention worthy. It is one of the great things about du, new info and news every day.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)in order to strengthen a position being argued in the hosts forum?
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)One big wtf.
I think it is harder hide infomation with internet.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)a member. the founder was born in 1809.
if you're going to talk facts, you need to read & research more carefully.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I didn't say I researched it.. I posted this thread to see what other duers knew or had to say about it. I learned about this this am.. googled a little..posted this thread..and went to do errands. I would like to know, but at this point, I do not know much of anything or if this is even relevant. More will be revealed, I hope.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)S&B was a russell. and then i researched it. there's no relation unless its before the 1700s.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...I immediately thought of the powerful Russell family. I'm glad you clarified the connection.
I wonder how much of this the Washington press corps is discussing at the water cooler.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)they, for some unknown reason, fear such discussions. The tactic is to refer to those with intelligence enough to absorb as many FACTS as possible, as CTs. My own theory is that it is THEY who are the CTs. Anyone who won't accept facts IS a CT.
The sheer irony of calling people discussing FACTS as they are revealed, CTs is simply stunning. This tactic began after 9/11 in an effort, one which has spectacularly failed, to censor all discussion of that tragedy. It failed because people are intelligent. They will not stop asking questions until they receive answers that are believable. Polls show that a majority of people, eg, do not believe the Bush official story of 9/11. That does not mean they have any theories of their own, it simply means something stinks about the official story and it doesn't take a genius to see the reasons why.
The information about Ruslan appears to be factual. Those laughingly trying to call 'facts' CTs demonstrate how totally illogical those who want to censor all conversations about events like have become.
Just ignore them and so long as you present facts, you have nothing to worry about.
Just remember, it isn't the one presenting facts who is the CT, it is the one denying the facts are trying to cover them up who is the CT!
William Seger
(10,775 posts)> The tactic is to refer to those with intelligence enough to absorb as many FACTS as possible, as CTs.
No, the generally accepted definition of a "conspiracy theorist" is someone who proselytizes implausible and unsubstantiated paranoid speculations about conspiracies as if they are facts, because they are incapable of telling the difference. In this case, CTs claim that Fuller recruited the Tsarneavs to do the bombing. In the case of 9/11, CTs claim 9/11 was an "inside job." These people are not "asking questions" except as a rhetorical device; they believe they already have the answers, and it's completely impossible to convince them that their unsubstantiated answers are highly implausible. Any such attempt is called an attempt to "censor all discussion."
If that's not you, then congratulations, you are not a "conspiracy theorist."
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The fact is there are a lot of DUers who really like "Uncle Ruslan" because he got out there and told them what they wanted to hear. Now those same posters are having a conniption fit because someone dared to research "Uncle Ruslan" in the same manner the rest of the Tsarnaev family is being scrutinized.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)William Seger
(10,775 posts)Ruslan Tsarni was married to Samantha Fuller for about three years, ending in 1999. Fuller's father retired from the CIA in 1987.
Okay, so what? Tell me why that's "very odd" or "highly significant" or even "VERY interesting" without sounding like a conspiracy theorist.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)No idea what's going on here if anything at all but the web of connections between people is sometimes significant and sometimes not.
Believing all odd things are coincidences is just as silly as believing they are never coincidences.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)there may be nothing but we don't know that. We may never find out but I'm quite amazed at this turn of events re the CIA and Halliburton and Ruslan. If it all seems just fine to you, so be it. Something is not right here.is my gut instinct..and although I'm not sure what it is, I have a feeling that much more will be revealed. Nothing will ever be discovered, however, if questions go unasked.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... don't go making accusations until they have something substantive to base those accusations on, and that they won't be accused of being "in on it" if they don't.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)yet you suggest that to question those connections is a ct.. why?.. to what end is unknowing beneficial? stay there if you must but I am actually hoping that this does not have any merit or substance but unlike you, I am also unwilling to just accept it as a coincidence until someone who actually investigates determines that.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)which has something to do with the thread ..which is a fact. I really don't care if you believe it or not. There are plenty of people investigating this right now which are of much more interest to me than trying to convince someone that the world is not flat.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)shooting it out at the boat.
except he didn't have a gun.
oops.
the pair robbed a 711, except they didn't.
oops.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)responding to the post about weaving conspiracy theories from facts
William Seger
(10,775 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)William Seger
(10,775 posts)Or the knee-jerk gotta-be-first media? And you didn't answer what it had to do with the topic.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of information. And before anyone could even get beyond that here, the CT mantra was introduced.
I am not concerned about what WHAT people call me, frankly. I am only concerned with censorship which is an evil far greater than a few people speculating, no matter how wrong, on an issue. Correct it if it's wrong, but censorship is the goal of these CTs who are in capable of seeing the difference between FACTS being discussed and a major threat to the country. THAT is why I call THEM CTs. Fear is what drives them. They've been around since 9/11 desperately trying to force people to accept every word we were told by Bush.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)The first I heard of this was a link posted in CS to a conspiracist site called MadCow Morning News, to an article by conspiracist Daniel Hopsicker, who opined, "The discovery that Uncle Ruslan Tsarni had spy connections that go far deeper than had been previously known is ironic, especially since the mainstrean media's focus yesterday was on a feverish search to find who might have recruited the Tsarnaev brothers."
For some strange reason, the same people who find this "very interesting" seem to be the same people who think 9/11 was an inside job.
Now your turn: Show me somewhere that someone tried to "censor" you.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the demonstration. Censorship is evil. We are adults, fyi, and can absorb information without net nannies rushing to suppress every story, in this case the story is TRUE, that for some reason they think the rest of us poor, ignorant schmucks should not have access to.
I have no idea who or what you are talking about. What is CS? I follow NEWS, and no amount of name-calling, personal attacks, snide implications etc has or ever will stop people from exercising their right to read and determine for themselves without the input of what to me are and always have been, paranoid net nannies who seem to think THEY know what is best for all of us. I actually prefer CTs to authoritarian censors any day.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... and I gave you an example from the Creative Speculation group. I couldn't care less about what "information" you "absorb" from conspiracy sites and conspiracy hucksters like Hopsicker, or even what conclusions you draw from it. If that's all you were doing, who would even know, much less care?
I'm still waiting for you to point to this "censorship," and I still don't see any "net nannies rushing to suppress" this story. On the one hand, you say, "I am not concerned about what WHAT people call me, frankly." On the other hand, just because someone points out that this particular connect-a-dot game appears to be pretty ridiculous and that it is being promoted by conspiracy theorists, you start screaming about censorship and suppression and personal attacks. If you can't stand the heat...
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)It's a giggle to see how some of those characters invest so much time & energy on threads like this ..... including one fellow who posts "this is bs -- I'm out of here," but continues to post on and on.
Sometimes, a good OP (like this one) reminds me of fly-paper .....