KRUGMAN: "Bush lied us into war. Let’s repeat that: he lied us into war."

[kpete]

Even more important, Bush lied us into war. Let’s repeat that: he lied us into war. I know, the apologists will say that “everyone” believed Saddam had WMD, but the truth is that even the category “WMD” was a con game, lumping together chemical weapons with nukes in an illegitimate way. And any appearance of an intelligence consensus before the invasion was manufactured: dissenting voices were suppressed, as anyone who was reading Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy) knew at the time.

Why did the Bush administration want war? There probably wasn’t a single reason, but can we really doubt at this point that it was in part about wagging the dog? And right there you have something that should block Bush from redemption of any kind, ever: he misled us into a war that probably killed hundreds of thousands of people, and he did it in part for political reasons.

There was a time when Americans expected their leaders to be more or less truthful. Nobody expected them to be saints, but we thought we could trust them not to lie about fundamental matters. That time is now behind us — and it was Bush who did it.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/the-great-degrader/

[Newest Reality]

1. And again ...

He lied us into WAR.

[calimary]

20. And in case someone might have missed it the first time...

HE LIED US INTO WAR.

Oh yeah, and one more thing: NOT EVERYONE believed there were WMD. And those who didn't were muzzled, discouraged from reporting or saying anything for fear of being called un-American or a Saddam-lover or a cheese-eating surrender-monkey or sympathizer thereof. OR a Neville Chamberlain. Anybody get that one? (I certainly did!) Or they were fired for even trying. Remember when you could be fired FOR EVEN TAKING A PHOTO OF FLAG-DRAPED COFFINS COMING BACK FROM IRAQ, FOR PUBLICATION?????? And those who shouted us down invariably said - "well, we don't know what THEY know. We don't see the classified info that bush and his advisors are seeing. So it's not for us to say or second-guess." Anybody get that one? That was a cutie, too.

DEAR GOD those were terrible times!!! And our media, which has been grilling Obama relentlessly, and never stopped baying at Bill Clinton's heels, just gave bush/cheney a complete pass. Nothing but softballs. Never really questioned ANYTHING. And those who dared were abruptly shown the door, or sent to the seat in the last row at the back of the room (like what they did to Helen Thomas). Gross Dereliction of Duty. NOW they want to make up for it. Where were they THEN???????

[arely staircase]

36. spot on

and yes, terrible times indeed.

[calimary]

38. It truly made me deeply ashamed of my former profession.

Horrible times. What a disgrace. Their asses are owned.

Anybody remember the movie "Network"? Probably my all-time favorite movie, EVVVVERRRRRRRR. In 1976 I thought it was wild, entertaining fantasy. I have been horrified as the years have gone by - to see how accurately it predicted what's happened since.

When the programmers get involved, and the news department is expected to make a profit rather than merely shedding light and telling truth. I never imagined that life would imitate art.

[arely staircase]

39. I used to work in PR

and was during the lead up to all of the war, though not involved in that. I got sick of the mercenary nature of my job, quit and became an elementary school teacher. big pay cut but much happier.

[calimary]

41. I finally got off the rollercoaster. Found a way to retire.

I was originally gonna put "I finally got off the merry-go-round," but either one works. My discomforts with my work made me feel like I was just going around in circles, and I did NOT like the ups and downs and other drama all the time. It was like - "hey, can we just go cover the news?"

[dog_lovin_dem]

43. ^^^This^^^

I have always said that I showed up here before the 2004 election and signed up in early 2004, but this post reminded me that I was lurking even before the invasion. Dear god, that was a horrific time in our country's history. Thank goodness for this website and for the people who share their thoughts, feelings, and most importantly, their research. I would be insane by now if I didn't have DU to let me know I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

[MsLeopard]

68. +1,000,000

Amen to that! DU has saved my sanity more than a few times since 2001.....

[calimary]

85. You're not by ANY means the only one who thinks this way, dog_lovin_dem!

I think pretty much every one of us here on DU came here, or stumbled here, looking for that kind of refuge. And every one of us, I'll bet, was stunned to discover that - much to the contrary of what the media and most of the politicians and everyone else who supposedly "knew better" was telling us - we were NOT alone. We were NOT alone thinking and feeling the way we did - about what amounted to a frickin heist. This was a mugging! They frickin' STOLE THE ELECTION. And there's good reason to believe they stole it from Kerry, too, four years after they stole it from Al Gore.

Face it. What's increasingly true anymore is that the bad guys can't win unless they cheat, or in one way or other successfully manage to get around the system in place. That's the ONLY way they can win the big one anymore. Because the numbers are no longer with them. And the only way they can win the race is to fix the race.

This place was an oasis. A life raft. A drop of healing, cooling water to the parched and dry. It really did keep many of us from grinding our teeth into powder during those horrible years. At least, we had each other. And we kept each other company, and buoyed each other up.

[dog_lovin_dem]

87. You're absolutely right, Calimary.

I'm obviously not a big poster, but reading the threads and comments leading up to and following the invasion, as well as the election reform forum following the election of 2003 was like a port in the storm. Many of my friends and family members treated me as if I'd grown another head out of my neck when I attempted to tell them there were no WMD in Iraq and that the president (though I don't believe W was EVER elected) and the media were lying to us.

It was the only place I could go after the election, where I didn't feel completely isolated. My husband thought I was losing it after Kerry's "loss", but this place kept me sane, though furious with the frustration of knowing but being unable to do anything to change what had happened.

That frustration has cooled, but still simmers below the surface when reading or watching the "news" channels" propaganda. DU is still my safe place and I thank my lucky stars everyday that this place exists.

[raccoon]

2. k&r nt

[Fumesucker]

3. That sounds remarkably like a conspiracy

But since we know that conspiracy theorists are all crazy and deluded it must in fact be something else.

[timdog44]

7. Of course

we could talk the conspiracy that he went to war to avenge the attempted murder of his dad by Saddam.

[grahamhgreen]

25. "Iraq has WMD" was the conspiracy.

[caseymoz]

56. No, there are real conspiracies,

and there are imaginary ones. You can tell them apart. Such as, it doesn't make sense to shoot Kennedy in front of everybody and shoot the guy who shot him when they could just sabotage his plane. It doesn't make sense to shoot him from the grassy knoll, when you have a clear, concealed shot from the book depository. Just as it doesn't make sense that anyone would fake Obama's birth certificate on the long shot that he might become president fifty years later.

[karynnj]

70. With Obama's birth certificate, it was more a long shot than for a random person (or even more a

random man). In 1960, the idea that the a half black son of an 18 year woman being elected to the Presidency would have been considered impossible.

[raccoon]

88. I like the way you think. nt

[spanone]

4. what's the difference between lying a nation into war and treason?

nothing in my world. oh, and then there is his torture policy.

[WinkyDink]

14. Guts to call the latter out. Is Krugman ready? Are WE?

[Coyotl]

74. Lying a Nation into a War IS Treason!

Everyone knows this and thinks this, but who will do something about it?

[kentuck]

5. Thanks Paul....for putting your finger into the dike of revision.

[Electric Monk]

6. 97 recs and counting

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022764804

I'll K&R yours too, though

[Phentex]

8. Actually...

there's at least 100 recs now.

[Electric Monk]

55. and now both threads are tied at 124.... nt

[ladjf]

9. Everybody knows that Bush lied us into the Iraq War. Why isn't he in prsion for life? mt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. I believe the Republicans counted on the fact that his father was a president would give him cover..

It would be like you were destroying the reputations of both father and son.

The general narrative in Washington is that Iraq never would have happened if dad had finished the job.

[grahamhgreen]

27. Obama refuses to look back.

[tex-wyo-dem]

59. In a sane and just world, little boots would be...

Spending time in The Hague as we speak, but we live in neither.

The Iraq invasion had nothing to do with security or "WMD" or "freeing the Iraqi people of a tyrant". It had everything to do with making the wealthy insanely more wealthy. The 1% ownes Washington, from the President to congress to the senate to even the Supreme Court and all bureaucracies in between. We've got a lot of work to do to return our government back to serving the majority for the good of the majority.

[loyalsister]

69. Because it wasn't illegal

The evidence was plausible, subject to interpretation, AND subject to manipulation. But, the manipulation would not have been successful if the senate hadn't gone along with it themselves. Proving manipulation of evidence subject to interpretation is a nonstarter and asses are covered.

It was a natural cultural expansion of how people in this country reacted to 9\11. People were angry and a great many wanted to kill kill kill.
We want to believe there were protests that should have had an effect, but among the 350,000,000 of us the protests were barely a drop in the bucket.

[Hippo_Tron]

78. Because we have a history of going to war based on lies, see the Maine and the Second Gulf of Tonkin

[chuckstevens]

10. Well, what about Benghazi?

Every time Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Darrel Isa try to make what happened in Benghazi a witch hunt to nail President Obama for some non-existent scandal , I want to scream, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Are Americans so stupid that they believe that Bush/Cheney made an "honest mistake", but Libya is President Obama's fault, worthy of impeachment.

Thanks Paul for reminding all us what the truth about these two despicable human beings did.

[lakercub]

23. As far as McCain is concerned

Anything that gets us INTO war is great and the right course of action. Since the administration response to Benghazi was not to go bomb Libya to hell, McCain was opposed. If we don't answer every single threat with overwhelming military force, McCain considers it a scandal. The McCain reaction will always be to fight first (and second and third) and ask questions later (or never).

Something happened to his mind in Nam. That's the only way I can explain why he is so fundamentally broken as a human being and has such a thirst for blood (Graham, of course, just echoes whatever McCain says since he has no functioning brain of his own).

[The Wielding Truth]

50. You are certainly not alone. I'm sickened by the sound of their names and when I realize they are

celebrated and have followers I just am in disbelief. I think the answer lies in the pumped up top radio shows. It's as if there were an endless regurgitating "Tokyo Rose" media filling every town's airwaves. They have been turning the USA into a country of passionate miss-focused, mindless innocent discontents.

Look At this!

ihttp://talkstreamlive.wordpress.com/

t"s so bizarre!Anyone who can hold a thought for a day should certainly see through the lies! Why are these shows (with very few exceptions)even allowed to be on the public airwaves? They are anti-government and anti-democratic propaganda! Those pushing these programs are running and ruining our country.

[byeya]

11. Bush was reportedly told that if he were president during a war he'd be re-elected.

That also made a nice fit for his handlers fiduciary grabs.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

32. I've always believed that's why we went to war...so he could get the second term daddy didn't!

A very sad statement on thew political scene in the US.

[sakabatou]

12. Of course he and his cabinet did!

It's pretty much fact!

[WinkyDink]

13. And once one asks "WHY?", the next question PERFORCE becomes "HOW?"

[Berlum]

15. George AWOL Bush & the Republican Cabal O'Cronies lied us into war

[MissDeeds]

17. Oh, but" impeachment is off the table"

And with the new, Democratic administration, "we have to look forward". The heavyweights in our party gave this bastard cover and let him escape prosecution. Don't give me that "we didn't have the votes" BS. The people here and abroad were screaming for Bush and Cheney to be held accountable. I am ashamed that our party let this atrocity slide. It breaks my heart for those who died needlessly.

[chuckstevens]

24. +1000

You are spot on!

[grahamhgreen]

29. Well said!

[SomeGuyInEagan]

45. Obama failed the nation and the world with that.

Either by collusion or cowardness, it was Obama who covered Bush's ass.

And that act set us up for lots of failure for decades to come.

[Marr]

18. Couldn't agree more-- particularly with the part about systemic dishonesty.

The effect of that government-wide, obvious dishonesty is hard to gauge, but I expect it's one of the main drivers behind the cynicism we see towards politics and politicians today-- especially from those 35 and under.

I'd never seen a western government like the one under the Bush Administration. Almost everything they said was a deceitful sales pitch of some kind. You got half truths occasionally, flat out fiction the rest of the time. People were beginning to regard White House press releases and corporate news reports the way I'm told Soviets used to regard the stories in Pravda; that is, as satire.

I've never seen so many people just *assuming* their president was lying every time he opened his mouth-- and that reality was likely to be the opposite of whatever he was saying.

[KansDem]

19. Bush also lied about how he learned of the first WTC attack

First, he saw it on TV:

(0'27&quot

Then he was notified:

(0'50&quot

He's a fucking liar and criminal...

[MissDeeds]

21. +1000

Nailed it.

[zeemike]

22. To paraphrase...

Remember remember
The 4th of November
And the Bush warfare plot.
I can see no reason that the bush treason should ever be forgot.

[Festivito]

26. Why? He did rescind presidential order against profiting on war.

A few months before 9/11. You know, while he was not having any high level anti-terrorism meetings.

[hfojvt]

28. unfortunately Krugman lied about the Obama tax cuts

But hey, no big deal right?

And as far as "Bush lied us into war".

Well, he was NOT the Lone Ranger. The New York Times also helped to lie us into war. Anybody remember Judy Miller? And Tom Friedman? Both war cheerleaders helping to spread lies. So, in my opinion, did CBS news with Dan Rather. Before the war, for months, every broadcast of the CBS evening news started with a piece titled "Countdown to War". Well what message does that give to people? Don't countdowns go 9,8,7, 6, 5,,4,3,2,1, WAR!!! Isn't telling the American people every night that we are in a "countdown to war" basically telling the American people "we ARE going to war with Iraq, it is only a matter of time."

Oh, and there were plenty more people, pushing for the war and selling the war. They didn't just believe Bush's lies, they helped to spread them and made up some of their own. Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas, sits on the intelligence committee. In 2004, he was claiming "US forces HAVE found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but I cannot reveal specifics because it is classified." He helped to lie the country into war, and was still cheering on the war for many years later.

Saying "Bush lied us into war" seems to me to be giving a big "get out of responsibility" free card.

[orpupilofnature57]

31. Being he's responsible for 8 yrs of lies, impeachment was ...

a responsibility we shouldn't of " got out of " letting shrub of the hook was Misanthropic .

[JDPriestly]

42. BUSH lied us into war.

BUSH had the intelligence that showed that war was wrong and lied about what was in that intelligence. He lied to Congress. He lied to the press. He lied to us.

The press did not ask enough questions, but Bush is responsible for the lies. The lies originated with him and the members of his administration.

Even Judith Miller, the most disloyal of the war advocates you mention, repeated lies she was told by people she trusted.

The truth was so divergent from the statements of Bush and the rest of his administration that those statements have to be called what they were: lies.

There is no half-way about it. Bush lied us into war.

[orpupilofnature57]

30. He lied us in to a financial anomaly .

[DallasNE]

33. That Is Going Soft On Bush

Bush got the UN resolution for inspections AND the Congressional authorization to use force should Saddam not comply with the UN resolution and what did he do with that. Well, he went back to the UN a 2nd time for a UN resolution to use force. He couldn't even get a majority of the 15 voting members to approve such a move. In the meantime the UN inspectors combed Iraq high and low and reported by to the UN that Saddam had no WMD and no WMD program for nuclear weapons but asked for additional time tie down the time frame that Saddam destroyed his remaining chemical weapons.

Bush then claimed that Saddam wouldn't let the UN inspectors in and so he ordered the invasion of Iraq to find the WMD that the UN inspectors somehow missed. By the time Bush invaded Iraq anybody that was paying attention knew Saddam did not have WMD based on what the UN inspectors were reporting. Even Bush had to know that Saddam didn't have any WMD and that is the sad part. Bush refused to look at the best evidence available -- the on the ground inspections conducted by the UN -- and instead claimed that the single sourced false documentation provided by "Curveball" was proof enough.

One thing I have never understood is why the CIA did not match up the findings of the UN inspectors with what they had on file and reconcile the differences. At that point they had documentation that the yellowcake claim was false as was the mobile chemical labs and the single wooden airplane that was a supposed delivery vehicle. They also knew that Hans Blix complained bitterly about being sent on "wild goose chases" with the US leads sent to the inspectors. The UN inspections were highly effective but did not produce the desired results so they were criminally ignored. Frankly, there was not interest in what the UN inspectors found, leaving one to wonder why Bush even bothered to get the UN resolution on inspections. As it is the war Bush fought was not the war Congress authorized and that was a war crime.

[RVN VET]

82. Surely you're not suggesting that George Tenet

You'r not suggesting that George Tenet, then the head of the C.I.A., was willingly and knowingly cooking the books for Bush-Cheney and actually knew that the "slam dunk" he guaranteed Bush was, to extend the metaphor, really an air ball?

Not Georgie, the winner of the Freedom medal (or whatever it's called)?

Scott Ridder found out, first hand, just how sad and low Bush and the rest of the vermin in his Administration would stoop to get even with a bothersome truth teller -- and John Ashcroft is rotting in hell as i write this for the poop-slinging he did against Ridder whose only "crime" was telling the truth and desperately trying to get a hearing before thousands were killed in a war based on lies. And of course Joe Wilson found out how nasty and vile Bush and his buddies could become when he called them out on that ridiculous yellow-cake lie. To his damnation, eternal and painful I hope, Tenet was quiet about it, meek, mousey, quiet; ball-lessly, gutlessly quiet. Valerie Plame lost her career, and all of her informants on the ground in Iran, and elsewhere, were placed in extreme jeopardy of dying because Bush-Cheney wanted to punish Wilson.

Under Tenet, the CIA became a willing servant of the Bush-Cheney Administration. The most dishonorable head of the CIA in history became a panting lap-dog to the most despicable Administration in history.

[Thinkingabout]

34. We heard so much about "Clinton lied", but Bill Clinton's lie did not get 4500 killed

And many more with disabling injuries. Another note, repubs spent over $100 million and then always complaining the Democrats are spending too much money. Bush never met a dollar he didn't want to spend. He took two companies down and was successful in breaking this country. I had three opportunities to vote for him but did not like his background, useless.

[markiv]

35. anyone with a read of media in late 2002 knew that

there was a MASSIVE propaganda campaign going on, shoving this war down our throats

yes, the buck stops at the oval office, and he willfully lied

but he was far from alone in this, and the others weren't 'just going along because they trusted Bush' - they were leading it. PNAC is a good start, but it's still larger than that

this was a massive conspiracy

[Stuart G]

37. k & r thanks for posting..... nt

[reformist2]

40. The major media was complicit in this lie - they didn't ask questions, they just fell into line.

[Bobcat]

44. War Cabal

This cabal was clamoring for war against Iraq when Pres. Clinton was in office. Check out the New American Century literature. Come hell or high water, when their guy got in they were going after Saddam. Truth be damned.

[99Forever]

46. Yes, he lied us into war.

And got away with it. Along with all of his henchmen and fellow war criminal scum.

They got rich from Crimes Against Humanity, and the only people who could have brought them to justice, didn't.

[Bozita]

47. K&R, big time!

[VPStoltz]

48. I don't believe for a second "everyone" believed there were WMDs.

What they believe - knew for a fact - is that they would be branded in the most vicious way as unpatriotic, sympathetic to the enemy, etc. blah, blah by FAUX NOISE.
Everyone knows how powerful the Reich media is, especially when there is a REPUKE in the White House.
But even that being said, those who went along - and for the most part "everyone" did - should also be blamed for not speaking up and telling The Shrub and Darf to stfu!

[Ford_Prefect]

49. It appears some of the same people who enabled Bush are trying to lie us into Syria and Iran.

The same WMD lies and the same faked outrage. The Ultra-conservatives in Israel along with the same Cabal that pushed Bush forward from inside the hidden government here. Now they push the president and congress to approve war and invasion again.

The CIA insiders, Carlyle Group members, Power brokers behind the scenes in Washington, London, Riyadh, Abu Dhabi, and who knows where else, seem to want another war. So the lies are spreading again, fed to the american right and the news media to frame causes, excuses and purposes for one more military power projection.

They promise a quick resolution of Syrian Civil war with the duplicitous reasoning that Americans need not sacrifice much and could achieve their goals through an Air War similar to that used in Libya.

I say beware the Ides of March...or May. They will slay us all to win riches they do not need. And they will have us believe it is the most correct and necessary thing to do.

[blkmusclmachine]

51. .

.

[NBachers]

52. The George Bush Vanity War

There is no crime greater than this!

There will be centuries of poisoned, aborted, deformed fetuses from this war.

May the agonized screams and wails of the terror-pain dead shred his soul for eternity.

[Solly Mack]

53. ...

[Hulk]

54. And where is Krugman from our Sunday line-up? MIA

We sure don't want this message to get out. I flicked through channels today, and you would think that Mother Theresa opened up a library this past week, with the fawning and phony admiration that the networks, above and beyond fox-nonsense, are doling out to this former war criminal.

[harmonicon]

57. Is anyone who was dumb enough to believe those lies at the time likely to now feel any regret? (nt)

[Yooperman]

58. Weapon's Inspector Scott Ritter tried to tell Bush there were no WMDs.

My memory tells me he wanted 6 more months to prove it. Saddam was co-operating and turned over several thousand pages of documents to show they had dismantled the program years before. I also recall that after 10 years of sanctions Saddam realized he needed to be able to sell his oil to save his country. He had signed a 12 billion dollar deal with Russia to send the oil there once the sanctions were lifted. Which would only be a matter of months once the inspectors finished their report.

Bush couldn't allow Russia to get that oil. So he rushed into war b4 it was proven Saddam was complying and no longer posed a threat.

There was also a very long list of ambassadors (nearly 150 comes to mind) that wrote a letter threatening to resign should he invade Iraq.

These are things that stick in my mind.... I just wish I would have saved the information.

YM

[midnight]

60. I don't know why it is legal for politicians to lie...

[Ford_Prefect]

61. Not legal as such...Merely a job requirement. Although it seems to be a well honed talent for some.

Oddly it seems to be easier if your faith is in GOD rather than country, and it only takes a few good men to enable it.

[midnight]

62. Yes.... Let me rephrase...I don't understand why being able to lie is a job requirement....

Don't get me going about how creepy it is that there is a prayer breakfast that our elected officials attend.... I have no problem with this activity being done on their own after hours time.. but to make it a govt. get together defeats the separation of church and state meme...

[spicegal]

63. If we were truly the great democracy we proclaim, Bush and his cronies would have been held

accountable. As it is, he and many others in his administration, won't be leaving the country, as they would likely be arrested and charged with torture. I do, however, understand why Obama chose not to go down that road with all the other problems he was facing trying to hold this country together. Yet, the Republicans still have the audacity to act as though they've been denied what they believe is their God given right, which is the power of the executive office. They have NOT been humbled nearly enough. Instead of helping this country get back on its feet, they've done everything in their power to do just the opposite.

[Carolina]

64. At DU, we knew he

Cheney, Condoleeza, Powell... the whole crew were lying.

But here's the deal, it all started with the theft of Election 2000

An administration that was conceived in fraud was bound to lie, cheat and steal some more. That's where this Krugman article and all others on the real Bushit legacy should start.

[creativebliss]

66. Great point!

The theft of the election of 2000 - yet another demonstration of the failure of our democracy - leading to more inevitable fraud as you said...

[Carolina]

84. Welcome to DU

[Coyotl]

75. Starting a war also helped cover-up the actions of the Junta stealing the office, changed the focus

from Bush's political problems and the Bush Junta's unpopularity and obvious failings to the war.

If they had not started the war, they were going to turn to ashes politically.

[Ian_rd]

65. Heard a blurb about the Library on NPR, and they allowed Bush's lie to repeat without comment

Apparently there's a section of the museum where you can be "in the president's shoes," and have to make tough decisions. At one point this interactive display says: "...intelligence has indicated that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction - what do you do?"

No comment. No correction. No clarification. NPR allowed it to pass to their audience's ears as if it were accepted history.

[raouldukelives]

67. If it wasn't for you fine folks and people like Dr. Krugman I'd think I was in a Twilight Zone.

The old line about being treated like mushrooms - fed shit and kept in the dark - seems de rigueur now. One of the reasons transparency seemed like such a nice idea to most of us. We aren't fools, we know we are being took.

I always say the only thing that has trickled down to us from Reaganomics is the morals & ethics they displayed for us all to see, but that the corporate media told us not to believe.
And still tells us not to. Nothing is honest anymore. Not our health care, not our food, not our news, not our statistics, not our elections, not our economics, not our environmental impact and least of all, not our leaders.

We really can't handle the truth. That our thirst for wealth has caused us to abscond the very principles this nation was founded on. All from out of control corporate greed fueling lobbyists and feeding aspiring politicians, think tanks, war, climate denial "science", toppling un-Wall St friendly foreign leaders and filling our airwaves with ++good corporate approved news & information.

I don't know what the answer is, I just know giving the beast more of what it wants isn't going to do anything but cement its place firmly in our revised history and we'll never look back. Which only means that W was right, he will let history be the judge.
I'm reminded of a quote that I know Krugman approves of.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair.

[RoccoR5955]

71. Why is the Bush Crime Syndicate

not pounding rock salt into a rathole at the Crowbar Hotel?

It's beyond me!

[duhneece]

72. AND used other folks' kids lives to make him feel tough nt

[KansDem]

73. And now they want our Social Security and Medicare...

...to help defray the costs of that lie.

Fuck 'em and the horse they rode in on...

[Laelth]

76. k&r for Paul Krugman. n/t

-Laelth

[redqueen]

77. It was Bush Sr., actually.

Babies in incubators? Sound familiar?

[Uncle Joe]

79. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[Gregorian]

80. The problem is, there were many involved. Not just Bush. One might even include the Supreme Court.

It was a diverse group. A gang of Republicans. A criminal conspiracy.

Everyone I know knew that Bush would start a war.

[smknz]

81. Lies, lies and more lies

Yes Bush lied us into Iraq, albeit many of us knew it at the time only those dissenting voices were crushed by the corporate media. It's easy to make comments like this a decade or so after the crime so now I am asking mr Krugman to repeat this refrain for a current circumstance and tell everyone that Obama, many in congress and the senate and the media are lieing us into Syria. Syria is an invasion by Muslim fundamentalists sponsored by the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and a number of European countries. They've allowed for the murder of tens of thousands of innocent Syrians for strategic advantage. Please Mr Krugman don't be a decade late on calling this spade a spade and having your comments lose their relevancy.

[Enoki33]

83. Cheney's enthusiasm for war

This may be a bit off topic, but prior to the big push for war -at least publicly - there was much speculation on Wall Street that Halliburton may have to declare bankruptcy and consequently Cheney would lose much of his twenty mil golden parachute. It is now known what happened to that corporation after war became a sad reality. There are still some who claim the war was more about the biggest ripoff in the history of this country than it was about politics.

[ozone_man]

86. Now it's Obama's turn.

PNAC doesn't care whether it's a Democrat or Republican in office. We do kinder gentler wars, arm the rebels (Al Queda, CIA operatives, etc.), rather than put 100,000 boots on the ground.

[Rex]

89. The regular Krug bashers seem to be on hiatus.

You can always tell a persons agenda by which posts they decide to ignore.