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babylonsister

(170,962 posts)
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:24 AM Apr 2013

Gun Group Raffles Off Assault Rifle Model Used In Newtown Shooting To ‘Resist Barack Obama’



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/27/1931041/tennessee-assault-rifle-raffle/

Gun Group Raffles Off Assault Rifle Model Used In Newtown Shooting To ‘Resist Barack Obama’

By Rebecca Leber on Apr 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm


The Tennessee Firearms Association is raffling off one AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, the same weapon used by Adam Lanza to kill 20 children and six adults in Newtown.



According to the promotion, “TFA is giving away a BUSHMASTER AR15 to advance the effort to resist Barack Obama, the federal government and even a few in Tennessee state government who are determined to destroy your 2nd Amendment rights!!”

The promotion began earlier in April to coincide with the Senate’s consideration of gun violence prevention legislation. And while contestants do not have to be a TFA member to enter, the promotion notes TFA would “appreciate” donations, ending with, “Our rights under the 2nd Amendment and even the Bill of Rights are not safe in Tennessee! We must act with force and determination to protect, preserve and restore our rights!!!!”

The Tennessean reports that the raffle has already drawn more than 10,000 entries for the Monday drawing.

But Tennessee gun groups have little reason to fear for their representatives’ position on guns. Both Senators Bob Corker (R) and Lamar Alexander (R) voted against the Senate bill to expand background checks — two of 46 Senators who filibustered a safety measure that is approved by 90 percent of Americans.

“This may illustrate perfectly what I’ve been saying all along: They create these issues to raise money. That just stokes the fire to frighten folks,” former state Rep. Debra Maggart said of the motive for the raffle. Maggart herself was a target of both TFA and the National Rifle Association in her Republican primary last year.
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Gun Group Raffles Off Assault Rifle Model Used In Newtown Shooting To ‘Resist Barack Obama’ (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2013 OP
We need to start putting the gun lovers behind bars where they belong...... bowens43 Apr 2013 #1
Rounding up gun owners seems a bit extreme plus the costs enjoyingyourpeasyet Apr 2013 #3
Question, is Gabby Giffords in your list of leeches? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #36
Well if you want to call her a leech be my guest enjoyingyourpeasyet Apr 2013 #75
So is she a gun nut since the Giffords own, gasp I know, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #82
and of all the people you mentioned I don't not interact with any of them enjoyingyourpeasyet Apr 2013 #88
Well, you are interacting with a gun owner right now nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #91
your wish is granted enjoyingyourpeasyet Apr 2013 #94
Thank you. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #96
Let me be clear: you think people who want the most popular model of rifle in the country Recursion Apr 2013 #15
And right here is the reason why gun owners premium Apr 2013 #17
Lovers. "Gun lovers." Not owners. Do you love your gun? Robb Apr 2013 #93
Oh Robb, tblue Apr 2013 #101
So do you agree that gun lovers need to be put behind bars? premium Apr 2013 #108
"We?" Are YOU going to be on one of the arrest teams? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #32
As if! THAT lot are the biggest collection of chickenhawks this side of the Republicans. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #98
and just how would "we" accomplish that? PD Turk Apr 2013 #45
These people are deranged and they can't be reasoned with. Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #2
"deranged" describes it mildly DrDan Apr 2013 #4
Another classy move by the Society of Delicate Flowers. 99Forever Apr 2013 #5
And the pARanOid gun humpers will rush to get their tickets..... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #6
my state of tennessee...a constant embarrassment spanone Apr 2013 #7
Tennessee doesn't have a lock on this crap, by any means. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #8
I know not all Tennesseans are assholes. Cleita Apr 2013 #12
That's rubbing salt in a very deep wound. Cleita Apr 2013 #9
Why does it bother you? I seriously am baffled too Recursion Apr 2013 #13
Wow! If I have to explain to you the blatant insensitivity of using that exact Cleita Apr 2013 #16
It's the most common rifle sold Recursion Apr 2013 #18
tell that to the parents of the 20 children who were massacred with this 'ordinary rifle' spanone Apr 2013 #28
Because a blatant appeal to emotion trumps facts every time! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #34
laugh all you want....all you want. spanone Apr 2013 #38
Yes! They're obviously completely equivalent... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #44
like i said...laugh on. there's always hilarity in death! spanone Apr 2013 #48
I'm not laughing at death. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #52
If you don't have an emotional response to 20 dead first graders, you're the one with the problem. Paladin Apr 2013 #63
Fortunately, your premise doesn't apply. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #66
raffling off the very same model of weapon used to slaughter completely innocent people rustydog Apr 2013 #43
You may be partially correct, only the "FU" may be diected toward... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #70
When I read the thread title I thought this must be some type of joke thread newmember Apr 2013 #10
I first thought it was a celebration of the NRA "success at Newtown. All that killing, no changes; AlinPA Apr 2013 #87
Long before the massacre Bushmaster rifles were known as decent rifles aikoaiko Apr 2013 #11
That's the problem. Why didn't they raffle a Colt instead of a Bushmaster? Cleita Apr 2013 #14
Really? Even though handguns kill hundreds of times as many people every year? Recursion Apr 2013 #19
Don't ever get a job in public relations. You just wouldn't be good at it. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #21
I was great at PR, I just hated it Recursion Apr 2013 #23
Just putting the gun debate aside for a minute newmember Apr 2013 #24
Its the name of the company Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #29
I know it's the name of the company but I'm sure the raffle had a lot newmember Apr 2013 #33
Bushmaster is one of the biggest manufactures of AR-15's in the country. eqfan592 Apr 2013 #55
At a certain point booley Apr 2013 #64
Perhaps not to people who know ARs well. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #20
It's a very bad PR move at this time. Cleita Apr 2013 #22
They produce and have produced pipoman Apr 2013 #27
More "In your face" tactics from the MineralMan Apr 2013 #25
They are embarassing! redstatebluegirl Apr 2013 #26
Check back to Bill Clinton's first term.. pipoman Apr 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #31
This is satire, right? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #40
They love seeing schoolchildren gunned down? premium Apr 2013 #42
There's no reasoning with people who seriously propose fascist actions, either. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #47
Thank you for proving a point. eqfan592 Apr 2013 #60
**JURY RESULTS** Talk of "Camps" is not acceptable Marengo Apr 2013 #69
Thank you jury Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #78
Hum hmmm why would you send nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #39
Rachel Maddow, too! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #51
And I'm sure that you're going to be on the confiscation teams, right? premium Apr 2013 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #50
You're truly delusional. premium Apr 2013 #53
Your scenario isn't reality, it's science fiction. Joseph Ledger Apr 2013 #54
The country will break apart before your scenario comes to pass. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #57
Only after a long and bloody civil war nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #58
So half of the US population has "mental sickness" eh? pipoman Apr 2013 #46
So the blatant message from Gun Nutjob group rustydog Apr 2013 #37
That appears to be the message etherealtruth Apr 2013 #68
Gun safety opponents are a disgusting lot MattBaggins Apr 2013 #49
nice Frank Luntz Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #56
I don't have a side MattBaggins Apr 2013 #59
name one person here who Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #65
The same outrage was present here on DU after justanidea Apr 2013 #61
You have an AR? Monster! Joseph Ledger Apr 2013 #62
Tough shit. Robb Apr 2013 #90
What an intelligent response. justanidea Apr 2013 #104
Yet still a more delicate instrument than the situation deserves. Robb Apr 2013 #106
Many of these people appear to suffer from mental illness. City Lights Apr 2013 #67
Maybe because appearances are deceiving? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #71
in your expert opinion Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #77
You can't diagnose mental illness, but you can spot an asshole pretty quick. Robb Apr 2013 #83
Agreed Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #85
I'm going with "fucked in the head." Robb Apr 2013 #92
repeating and believing conspiracy theories is nuts sigmasix Apr 2013 #84
Two words. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #72
The second amendment has created a truly toxic culture. Initech Apr 2013 #73
It's not the second nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #95
What's really bothering me is the bizarre end times crowd they cater to. Initech Apr 2013 #99
Think about it, we are gun owners nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #100
And they wonder WHY 90 percent of the country is in favor of background checks jmowreader Apr 2013 #74
Not from what I see here Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #76
The people who think like that don't post here jmowreader Apr 2013 #97
Report that fucker to the FBI. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #105
And I'll bet they're laughing there ass off at your tip. premium Apr 2013 #109
I'm sure they appreciated you wasting their time. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #113
Were so fucked up as a nation. SummerSnow Apr 2013 #80
Let's hope the winner Politicalboi Apr 2013 #81
I have no problem with that. Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #86
WHERE's THE SECRET SERVICE???? n/t alp227 Apr 2013 #89
Why would the Secret Service get involved? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #107
What are they doing that would warrant SS involvement? premium Apr 2013 #110
This sounds like threatening the life of the president. alp227 Apr 2013 #117
You have to be kidding. hack89 Apr 2013 #118
Gun rights groups are vile. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #102
Typical reaction from gun nuts. liberal N proud Apr 2013 #103
Fear sells and so does a famous weapon neverforget Apr 2013 #111
Yes, fear does sell - fear about gun owners The Straight Story Apr 2013 #112
I think you have it reversed G_j Apr 2013 #116
scum of the earth nt G_j Apr 2013 #114
That's Seriously Fucked Up otohara Apr 2013 #115
That's reall disgusting. As is the usual gang of apologists in this thread. morningfog Apr 2013 #119
If the apolaogists spent a tiny percentage of their time fighting gun violence and deploring CTyankee Apr 2013 #120
 
3. Rounding up gun owners seems a bit extreme plus the costs
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 08:02 AM
Apr 2013

Rounding up gun owners seems a bit extreme plus the costs to house them in prisons even if they are corporate prisons it will still cost money to house them.

We, as in the people, need to make them societal piranhas in the same way the homophobes and racists are treated make it socially unacceptable to own a gun.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. Question, is Gabby Giffords in your list of leeches?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:19 AM
Apr 2013

The Giffords are gun owners.

Plenty of DU'ers are as well, and not talking the gungeon here.

This is why this is also nuts.

Now people selling an AR to seed fear, and raise money...go ahead.

 
75. Well if you want to call her a leech be my guest
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

No I will treat all of the gun nuts just like I do republicans, homophobes and bigots I pretty much don’t even justify their existence and if I work with them it is business only.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
82. So is she a gun nut since the Giffords own, gasp I know,
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:02 PM
Apr 2013

guns...or not. By the standard yup wrote I will have to say yes.

I will add some in the Brady campaign who also are gun owners

Let me add Diane Feinstein to the mix...she even has a concealed carry permit...gasp...I know.

The problem with broad brushes and all that.

 
88. and of all the people you mentioned I don't not interact with any of them
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:44 PM
Apr 2013

and I don't not care if they exist or not.

A broad bush in this case makes my world much clearer and in focus.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
91. Well, you are interacting with a gun owner right now
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:00 PM
Apr 2013

Who has given time and money to the cause, has written pro reform editorials in a newspaper. Actually suggested practicl solutions and gasp...given money to both the Brady Campaign, the Giffords campaign, and soon to Mayors against Gun Violence.

Feel free to put me on ignore...I am sure as a former medic (yup, seen the horrors that guns do close and personal, and gasp treated them too) I am just a horrible person...since gasp...we own a couple side arms...

I can tell you this...Giffords speaks from a position of moral authority that both you and me lack.

But I am not for outright shunning or confiscation, cause you know what, it ain't practical, and to be pure, you'd have to ignore her, shun her.

Oh and getting rid of the second Ammendment will require we fight a civil war and rewrite the Constitution.

There are things we can do that will reduce death rates. One of them is actually within grasp, (being tested right now) and should be mandated to all existing modern fire arms, smart gun technology, as soon as practical.

A few others also should be done, like 100% background checks, no exceptions and severe penalties for straw purchases.

As far as AWB I am in favor in principle...as long as we don't go after looks and instead go after firing mechanism. nope, banning the scary black guns will not solve the problem.

But please, for purity sake...use the ignore list, and put me on ignore. I prefer not to have disdain for allies to the cause, who understand this will be long, but that is just me. But hey, we gun owners are always irrational loons who you can't reason with, evah.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Let me be clear: you think people who want the most popular model of rifle in the country
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:22 AM
Apr 2013

deserve to go to jail for that?

I just want to be clear here.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
17. And right here is the reason why gun owners
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:25 AM
Apr 2013

don't trust people like you.
BTW, are you going to be on the team that starts putting gun lovers in jail? Or are you going to let others do what you want?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
93. Lovers. "Gun lovers." Not owners. Do you love your gun?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:03 PM
Apr 2013

Does it love you back?

When you're gone, what's your gun going to tell people about you? Will your gun mourn you?



"Gun lovers" are fucked in the head.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
101. Oh Robb,
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:21 PM
Apr 2013
There's a point where the perceived need for something that destructive is indicative of a mental state that should legally preclude owning that thing. They sound crazy to me too.
 

premium

(3,731 posts)
108. So do you agree that gun lovers need to be put behind bars?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:07 PM
Apr 2013

Even though they've done nothing wrong except own guns.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,161 posts)
6. And the pARanOid gun humpers will rush to get their tickets.....
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 08:28 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:00 AM - Edit history (1)

What a sad commentary on what has America has become.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,161 posts)
8. Tennessee doesn't have a lock on this crap, by any means.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:08 AM
Apr 2013

In New Hampshire a small town police chief was shot and killed while serving a warrant, and the very next year a statewide police chiefs association raffled of a high-powered weapon of some sort. I forget the make and model, but it was just as sickening.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. I know not all Tennesseans are assholes.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:19 AM
Apr 2013

Some of our best DUers are and have been from Tennessee, so I know you have a core of great liberals living there. You are going to have your work cut out for you to make some change there.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Why does it bother you? I seriously am baffled too
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:21 AM
Apr 2013

It's the most popular brand of rifle in the country and has been for years. It's a raffle to raise money for a political cause; those are hardly unusual. What is it about this that bothers you so much? I mean, obviously none of us like to see Republicans raise money, but I don't think it's that?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
16. Wow! If I have to explain to you the blatant insensitivity of using that exact
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:23 AM
Apr 2013

rifle brand for this fund raiser, all I can do is shake my head.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. It's the most common rifle sold
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:26 AM
Apr 2013

This is one of those disconnects. It's an ordinary rifle; it's what most people buy when they buy a rifle.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
28. tell that to the parents of the 20 children who were massacred with this 'ordinary rifle'
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:03 AM
Apr 2013

tell them it's just an ordinary rifle

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
34. Because a blatant appeal to emotion trumps facts every time!
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
Apr 2013

This thread is hilarious...it really is.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
38. laugh all you want....all you want.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

facts are that gun SHREDDED 26 people in newtown....how fucking funny is that????

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
44. Yes! They're obviously completely equivalent...
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:31 AM
Apr 2013

...and laughing at one means you'd laugh at another. That makes perfect sense.

Like I said, this thread is hilarious.

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
63. If you don't have an emotional response to 20 dead first graders, you're the one with the problem.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

And the pro-gun side is driven by emotions, just as strong as those held by gun control advocates. As always, daily proof of this is available in the DU Gun Control/RKBA group, not to mention every public utterance by Wayne "Spittle-Fleck" LaPierre in the last four months.


[Insert standard "It's all the fault of the Gun Grabbers" retort HERE.]
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
66. Fortunately, your premise doesn't apply.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

Like most people (even mildly sociopathic ones...), I had an emotional reaction to that horror. Unlike some, however, I don't advocate using that emotional reaction as the basis for public policy.

I agree wholeheartedly about that moron LaPierre, though. The NRA's stranglehold on "voice share" for the pro-gun side of this debate needs to be broken. That organization does not do a good job of representing the views of the majority of gun owners (only 3-5% are members). Most of us wanted extended background checks, for example.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
43. raffling off the very same model of weapon used to slaughter completely innocent people
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
Apr 2013

is this nut-job groups way of saying to the victims: FUCK you, Our firearm has more of a right to exist than you do or did.

if you don't see the "fuck you" in their actions, you truly are vision-challenged.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
70. You may be partially correct, only the "FU" may be diected toward...
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:49 PM
Apr 2013

...gun-banners who demonize gun owners. It is quite possible those huge lines around gun show sites were there for more reasons than getting a possible soon-to-be-banned weapon grand fathered, or speculation on a price run-up, or stockpiling ammunition. The huge crowds could be a form of social protest directed toward controller/banners who seek to demonize millions of gun-owners. Though the sale referenced in the OP is in bad taste, you may wish to consider other motivations than the standard fare of moral condemnation and punched-up psychological pidgeon-holing. Demonization isn't working.

 

newmember

(805 posts)
10. When I read the thread title I thought this must be some type of joke thread
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

it's not
why would they do something like that

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
87. I first thought it was a celebration of the NRA "success at Newtown. All that killing, no changes;
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:16 PM
Apr 2013

just more guns being sold.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
11. Long before the massacre Bushmaster rifles were known as decent rifles
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

There are still popular as service rifles for civilian LEOs.

It's not like the TFA is advertising the raffle by invoking Newtown.

I'd this were a Colt no one would blink. Bushmaster is just a company who makes rifles for lawful purposes.

I suppose for most uninformed people the name Bushmaster was unknown and it conjures up the massacre.

When I hear Bushmaster, I think ABC for Armalite, Bushmaster, and Colt. It was a common reply in the late 1990s when someone asked for an AR recommendation.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. That's the problem. Why didn't they raffle a Colt instead of a Bushmaster?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:21 AM
Apr 2013

This certainly was an in your face moment, IMHO.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. Really? Even though handguns kill hundreds of times as many people every year?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:27 AM
Apr 2013

If anything the handgun would be more offensive.

 

newmember

(805 posts)
24. Just putting the gun debate aside for a minute
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:44 AM
Apr 2013

I clicked on the promotion site and read about the raffle.
The thread title wasn't created by an anti gunner.
It was created by the sponsors of the raffle.

Please just think about it for a minute.
The name of the rifle was all over the news that killed the children and teachers at Newton
The President flies and comforts the families after the shooting.

The families of the slain children plea with senators to pass more gun control.
The President appears on TV after the vote angered with the families of the slain children.

Then what does this group decide to do?
Create a raffle saying on their own site page this.......


TFA is giving away a BUSHMASTER AR15 to advance the effort to resist Barack Obama


And you think this is okay.

You don't see any problem with this?

 

newmember

(805 posts)
33. I know it's the name of the company but I'm sure the raffle had a lot
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:10 AM
Apr 2013

of other choices in companies that manufacture AR15 rifles.

They picked this manufacturer for a reason.

They clearly state the reason....

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
55. Bushmaster is one of the biggest manufactures of AR-15's in the country.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:44 AM
Apr 2013

For many, the names Bushmaster and AR-15 are synonymous. The only reason why this seems like a big deal to so many here is because they are unaware of this information, and instead of attempting to educate themselves on it, they'd rather just vilify the opposition.

booley

(3,855 posts)
64. At a certain point
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

It just becomes impossible to think they are really that unaware.

Yes that gun is popular.

The problem is it's not just the hobby shooters that like the gun.

Certain well know mass murderers like it too.

Which means the raffle organizers set themselves up to be accused of this.

Whether it was they were stupid or intentionally reminding us about what gun Lanza used, I don't think it matters anymore

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
20. Perhaps not to people who know ARs well.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:33 AM
Apr 2013

Bushmaster is like Chevrolet - just a well-known brand that is now producing middle of the road products.

Like I said, I don't really associate Bushmaster rifles with the massacre. I can't remember the rifles used in other massacres.

Or maybe you're right and they chose it specifically to promote Bushmaster since it associated with the massacre for people without much experience or for more incendiary reasons.


 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
27. They produce and have produced
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:01 AM
Apr 2013

more AR-15 platform rifles than any other maker IIRC. There are millions in circulation. They are overwhelmingly owned and used for lawful purposes. They are not going away any time soon. I doubt that this brand was chosen for nefarious reasons..

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
25. More "In your face" tactics from the
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
Apr 2013

gun lobby. "We must act with force..." Fear and loathing to prevent any serious firearms controls. As a firearms owner, I deeply resent this strategy on the part of fanatics.

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
26. They are embarassing!
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:56 AM
Apr 2013

To think they thought this would be a good idea. I often wonder if a white President was pushing gun control if things would be different.... It should not be but that is the reality!

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
30. Check back to Bill Clinton's first term..
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:04 AM
Apr 2013

your answer awaits..the resistance was much greater in the early 1990's than it was in this last attempt to enact restrictions on firearms..

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
35. This is satire, right?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013
Please tell me this is satire, and you weren't really wearing a brown shirt when you typed it.

Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #35)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
47. There's no reasoning with people who seriously propose fascist actions, either.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

Your proposal is both an hysterical overreaction and the sort of totalitarian excess that I would gladly risk my life to stop...by whatever means necessary.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
60. Thank you for proving a point.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

That when it comes to some self-described progressives, there is little difference between them and the hard core teabaggers. Really the only difference is they are completely irrational and ignorant, only in a different direction.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
69. **JURY RESULTS** Talk of "Camps" is not acceptable
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

Take that shit elsewhere

We need to confiscate all guns and send owners to camps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2767690

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Thank you.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
39. Hum hmmm why would you send
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
Apr 2013

The Giffords family to a reeducation camp? Oh I see, they are nuts by that definition of yours.

Yup, gabby Giffords is nuts! Do carry on with this extreme view, which mind you is as extreme as the people raffling that AR-15

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
41. And I'm sure that you're going to be on the confiscation teams, right?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:23 AM
Apr 2013

No, you won't, your just a wannabe internet tough guy sitting behind a computer without worrying about what your proposal would do to this country.

Response to premium (Reply #41)

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
53. You're truly delusional.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

Guns will never be banned in this country, we are not Aus..

I'll ask again, are you going to be on any confiscation team? Or are you going to let others do what you yourself are not willing to do?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
57. The country will break apart before your scenario comes to pass.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

That sort of extreme gun control (and totalitarian enforcement) wouldn't be a major cause of such fracturing, but it would certainly contribute. The US as currently constituted has 20 years...maybe 30.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
58. Only after a long and bloody civil war
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

And a new constitution.

In an ideal world I would like to see Canada...in reality..only a civil war and a new constitution.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
46. So half of the US population has "mental sickness" eh?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
Apr 2013

FFS, are you 10 years old?

Then there's this truly unbelievable brain fart:

"No one needs a gun except the government."

Because we all know that "the government" means nobody any harm, eh?

Again FFS, some people are just ridiculous.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
37. So the blatant message from Gun Nutjob group
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

to the completely innocent victims and their families who have had to suffer intolerable horror an tragedy:

Fuck you...my pseudo-penis has more of right to exist in America than you do.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
56. nice Frank Luntz
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:44 AM
Apr 2013

"gun safety" many on here do not care at all about gun safety or they would be more on the handgun issue. All of us gun owners are for gun safety and put forth many ideas that your side ignore or call "NRA talking points" Yes I think this raffle could have used a different weapon, it may have been donated and they did not have a choice. But it is what it is, an AR-15 platform made by bushmaster Arms and happens to be the most popular model rifle out there now. Save us all from your over the top commentary.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
65. name one person here who
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

is against gun safety please. Most gun owners here are for legislation that will help prevent these tragedies but not cosmetic bans. Some here should just say what they want in no bullshit terms, it is call gun control and I am even for that if you can control weapons from prohibited persons. Others want total bans and I am against that because they want to ban on appearance and not by the type of weapon causing the most deaths, HANDGUNS

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
61. The same outrage was present here on DU after
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

The Gabby Giffords shooting when some gun organization raffled off a Glock.

The AR-15 has been the best selling and most popular rifle for years now. There are dozens of manufacturers of ARs however Bushmaster is one of the more popular ones due to the fact they make a decent quality AR at a decent price.

Therefore I am not shocked such a gun would be used in a raffle. Same as how I wasnt shocked when a Glock (probably the most popular brand of handgun in the US) was raffled off a few years ago.

I would just like to known when Im allowed to take part in my normal activity again without being insensitive to the victims of Newtown. I was told a few weeks after Newtown that I was being rude and insensitive for having went to the shooting range with my AR one weekend.


 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
77. in your expert opinion
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 03:32 PM
Apr 2013

what type of mental illness do these people have? I am sure you can tell from pictures or board postings.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
83. You can't diagnose mental illness, but you can spot an asshole pretty quick.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:03 PM
Apr 2013

And these guys raffling a gun off to raise money to "fight Obama" are a bunch of assholes.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
92. I'm going with "fucked in the head."
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:01 PM
Apr 2013

And no one ever said they didn't have a right to do it; you've knocked down a big straw man in an effort, what, to legitimize their position? Way to win an argument you've made up in your mind, though.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
84. repeating and believing conspiracy theories is nuts
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

This organization advances the far right extremist conspiracy theories about the president of the united states being an agent of foreign enemies of America.
This type of paranoid conspiracy theory mongering is the same mind set as most of the mass murderers that have gunned down so many Americans in the ever repeating cycle of American gun massacres.
The NRA has become little more than a domestic terror organization. These misanthropes from tennessee are simply assisting in the desimination of anti-American conspiracy theories about the potus and implementing fund raisers to attract more misanthropes to the gun fetish that is held by so many cowards.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
95. It's not the second
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:09 PM
Apr 2013

We have had guns throughout history. (Though we are at historic high)

It is the Heller decision, with a dash of racist fear and a sprinkle of RW propaganda with a healthy helping of fear.

Add to this the NRA, which supported not just background checks at one point, but pushed for the 1932 laws that created special licensing for machine guns. They have become a pro gun industry lobby.

They got a problem. Gun ownership is actually down. So they need to create repeat customers.

Nancy Lanza is the new ideal customer, not Beaver...

Initech

(99,912 posts)
99. What's really bothering me is the bizarre end times crowd they cater to.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 06:41 PM
Apr 2013

Exactly - end times conspirators like Nancy Lanza are the NRA's base now. They live off fear that is brought to them thanks to the Fox Opinion Channel.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
100. Think about it, we are gun owners
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:02 PM
Apr 2013

Truth be told, I need to go to the range to go through the two boxes of ammo and replace it. (It does have a shelf life, I hate duds)

I am not the target, why? I am not going to sink another...500-1000 bucks on a new toy every three months, and buy thousands and thousands of ammo. I ain't a good customer from the modern day gun industry POV.

But these far to the right conspiracy clientele, who are still from the majority of gun owners, buy new guns and collect ammo like it was going out of style.

So who would you prefer as a customer is a market that is actually going down in numbers, raw numbers?

A couple decades ago I was the target customer. There were enough of us who could sustain a gun shop...in fact, it was me and hunters...we ain't enough no more.

The only thing I share with Nancy is age and gender, which can be odd when we go cycle ammo...may I Interest you in....

Truth be told, the only thing I would consider, since they are neat looking, and fairly good for rabbit and other small game, is a copy of a 1898 Winchester lever rifle. Again, as atypical as they come. Trust me it's way down in my gotta have now list...like under dirt. There are a bunch of minis for the miniatures hobby I share with my husband that I'd consider first, like way first. But I have been offered the latest and greatest for...you know self defense and shit. That is right until they hear me speak....RUN!!!

Yup, gun shop owners share some of the paranoia and biases of their clientele.

Sometimes, when we go cycle ammo...it's best to listen. You learn a lot about the culture and how sick it's become in small corners of it...loud corners. And yes, we did a gun show once too...oddest place ever, a mix of white supremacy, nazi memorabilia, anti government talk and guns. The conversations are just...nuts. And this is Cali, where the gun show loophole has been closed...I think I'll stay away from AZ.

And those are again...a weird minority...

jmowreader

(50,447 posts)
74. And they wonder WHY 90 percent of the country is in favor of background checks
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013

To them there is no gray area. It's either "everyone in the country should be able to buy ten thousand guns of any kind with no questions asked" or "the government is going to confiscate all your guns and melt them into huge statues of Barack Obama and Janet Reno!"

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
76. Not from what I see here
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 03:30 PM
Apr 2013

never seen one poster have that position. Have seen many posters her calling gun owners names, killers, mentally deficient, murderers in waiting. I think all gun owners here have given specific suggestions to try and limit gun carnage. They just do not think total bans and confiscation with house to house searches (some have called for) or bans on features of a semi-automatic rifles will work to prevent most violence. Background checks are one idea but would not have prevented most of these mass shootings. Can not hurt if they NICS were made available to public to use.

jmowreader

(50,447 posts)
97. The people who think like that don't post here
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:50 PM
Apr 2013

Up here in the right winger preserve, a vast number of people think Obama is going to grab their guns any second now. The wildest nightmares of the gungeon read like Sarah Brady's fantasies next to the letters to the editor in the Priest River Times, Bonners Ferry Herald and St Maries Gazette-Record.

Response to Zoeisright (Reply #79)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
113. I'm sure they appreciated you wasting their time.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 02:59 AM
Apr 2013

It's not like they have important things to do. Oh,wait...

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
110. What are they doing that would warrant SS involvement?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

They're doing nothing illegal, immoral, yes, but not illegal.

alp227

(31,960 posts)
117. This sounds like threatening the life of the president.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:26 AM
Apr 2013

Selling weapons with a hook of "resisting government"? We've seen how such resistance had turned out...Waco and Ruby Ridge.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
118. You have to be kidding.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:33 AM
Apr 2013

there is nothing the NRA would love more than for the SS or FBI to get involved. You would immediately validate all the anti-government BS they are pushing.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
112. Yes, fear does sell - fear about gun owners
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:48 PM
Apr 2013

99% of who don't use their weapons in a negative way, but we label them based on the few.

We sell fear of fellow citizens - we are all potential terrorists and killers, so let's get other citizens who go to work at our big employer, government, to protect us from everyone else.

Reduce rights, sell fear, don't take liquids on to planes, watch your neighbors for suspicious activities, tap phones, read emails, etc and so on.

And none of that 'make me feel safer' shit stopped any shootings or the recent bombing.

So we sell more fear, make more laws, and don't spend the money to enforce the ones we already have that could make a difference.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
116. I think you have it reversed
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:46 AM
Apr 2013

after 19 years of squelching debate, who is selling fear?




http://ktar.com/?sid=1627926&nid=131

Updated Apr 28, 2013 - 10:02 am

Manchin: Gun bill to be reintroduced -
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of the architects of failed gun control legislation says he's bringing it back.

Sen. Joe Manchin on Sunday said he would re-introduce a measure that would require criminal and mental health background checks for gun buyers at shows and online. The West Virginia Democrat says that if lawmakers read the bill, they will support it

CTyankee

(63,769 posts)
120. If the apolaogists spent a tiny percentage of their time fighting gun violence and deploring
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:03 AM
Apr 2013

stuff like the TN gun raffle instead of whining about how gun safety activists don't love them enough, maybe, maybe I would believe them when they "say" they are in favor of gun safety laws. As long as they're pulling this shit, I have deaf ears...

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