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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould anyone here eat this?
Of course not.
Yet...
We do eat the genetically altered version, quite happily.
I keeps seeing all sorts of rants about genetically altered crops. and of course, "Big Ag."
Yet most of the time this "Big Ag propaganda" comes from a woo propaganda source, Rodale Press.
Ever see an "organic" strawberry, and one from a large farm?
They are identical.
"Organic" is a buzzword used as a con, to jack up prices on produce.
And now we've learned that "Eden Foods," one of these "organic" producers, is throwing a RW tantrum against "Obamacare."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Foods_Inc.#Employee_healthcare
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)and modern commercial bananas are a product of selective breeding, not 'genetic modification' in the way we think of it today (though selective breeding is of course genetic modification of a sort).
Archae
(46,301 posts)I have two products of that who live with me, my two housecats.
Whether it's by selective breeding, or by altering genes, we humans have been genetically altering food and animals for literally thousands of years.
Yes "Big Ag" can go overboard. Like any other industry.
The movie and TV studios fought like hell to keep all of us from taping their stuff on VHS machines.
Likewise, Monsanto is going overboard trying to "patent" all of nature.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)(e.g. the genes already present in the wild banana plants).
modern genetic modification can literally insert a pig gene into a tomato. it's a different order of modification.
selective breeding takes traits *already present* and amplifies or minimizes them.
genetic modification can create 'new' traits in a cultivar.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Unless you're eating things you root out of the woods, pretty much everything you put in your mouth is GMO, due to the process of domestication... and make no mistake if some how labeling legislation is passed, they will label all their food that contains say... wheat, or gelatin, or apple juice, to be GMO, in order to mask products that are lab-altered, spliced, stretched, or the like.
The real key, of course, is to refuse the patenting of living organisms.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"Genetically modified organism" is any organism that humans have had an active hand in shaping the genome of... And yes, that very certainly does include every domesticated plant and animal on the planet, no matter whether it's due to some farmer trying to breed pink wool on his sheep, or someone splicing flamingo and sheep genes for the same effect. Whether it's penises or pipettes adding genetic material, the reality is the same.
It's such a broad term that it's effectively useless for what advocates want to get out of it. Now if you want to make it more specific, requiring labeling of chimera organisms in food could work. But I maintain that the wholesale refusing of patents for genomes is the best way to go.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You can't just make up the meaning of a term.
Start with the Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety and come back when you realize you're being absurdly simplistic.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)its palette, not in its techniques, and not in its scope.
not 'scientifically' either.
that genes are 'modified' in both does not make them analogous.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I find it viscerally distressing when I hear defense of gmo.. lordy lordy
newfie11
(8,159 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Response to truebluegreen (Reply #69)
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)is it just the fact that its done in lab that makes it troubling?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Since it doesn't, you're not. Words have definitions, particularly in technical fields like agriculture.
roody
(10,849 posts)are just beginning.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Claiming that they are the same is a well-known right wing talking point. That's forbidden on DU.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)two, creating domestic breeds by selective breeding, is quite different than sticking a flounder gene into a corn seed. FYI corn, like on the cob, was achieved by the Native Americans by selective breeding from a plant that had an ear no bigger than a head of wheat grain, but they never combined genes from two different species let alone from combining plant and animal genes.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)pig or fish or bird genes into a plant, however.
Thank you for making crystal clear your utter lack of comprehension about the difference between natural plant breeding and genetic ENGINEERING.
Genetic engineering gets novel genes into plant or animal cells by firing them out of a high tech miniaturized GUN, for gawd's sake. And in doing so it opens up a Pandora's box.
Please do your homework before you go spouting your "there's no difference" crap - because it's complete bullshit.
I oppose the use of genetic engineering technology for many reasons. And I DO understand what they are doing. I have studied genetics at the university level, just for starters, and have a degree in microbiology, and even back then, we knew all about this new technology and scientists warned about how it could backfire in a big way.
I don't oppose GMO technology in its entirety, BTW. It is used to make some of the safest and most effective animal vaccines on the planet. But I want all GMO products labeled so that I can be the one to decide which GMO products I will use and which I won't. Just like organics. It's my decision whether or not I want my consumer dollars going to companies that do business in a way that harms people or the environment.
Warpy
(111,167 posts)that carry varietal bananas, try them. The big yellow Cavendish jobbies in the supermarket are incredibly bland in comparison.
My favorites are the ruby fingerings, a pink variety. They also come in a bluish color, bright taxicab yellow and white. The peel is thick and the fruit is small and you feel cheated until you pop it into your mouth and taste what bananas are supposed to taste like.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Completely different from peel-and-eat bananas, but good in their own right when boiled or fried. Even the early type pictured in the OP probably was eaten at one time.
Warpy
(111,167 posts)was eaten by our ancestors, especially when times were lean.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Of course it depends on the farming practice and regulations to be certified organic, but no. They are not the same.
I see a big difference between gm crops from a lab using non whatever the fruit veg genes are and carefully saving seeds and cross breeding to change plant characteristics.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They are just grown differently.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)picked at just ripe, organic strawberry that I can get for three weeks in June and the giant, tasteless red rocks labeled "strawberry" to be found year round in supermarkets.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I finally learned with my garden to pick and eat vs pick and put in the fridge for a week as my vegetables and strawberries would last only a few days before becoming chicken food whereas store fruit/veg's last 1-2 weeks. And it is not just the variety but how it is grown, what it is sprayed with.
Here is a link found during a quick search and not highly researched. Interesting and I know I am preaching to the choir with you hedgie, but wanted to include it in case others were interested.
Why do store bought potatoes not sprout like they use to?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janine-yorio/where-did-the-potato-spro_b_659766.html
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)if bacteria can't eat it, what makes you think you should!
RC
(25,592 posts)And if bacteria can eat BP oil, but not some "food" labeled for us...
Always read the label.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)chemicals. Typically they are smaller, and have less pesticide/fungicide residue on them.
There is not a brand, though I don't know for sure as someone may have a brand they call that. But the growing method differs and the outcome differs. Some fruits/vegs do not have much difference between organic and non, but there is a big difference with strawberries with the result.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)actually have flavor and sweetness. The commercially grown ones only have large size. I seriously doubt that they are same in any way.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)They may be the same plants for larger farms.
For home gardens, though, many organic growers deliberately choose non-hybrid species. Not just for strawberries, but for everything else, as well.
There is a large difference.
longship
(40,416 posts)They're a wonderful food. And, there would be no bananas as we know them without selective breeding... Or, by an alternative but equivalent terminology, genetic modification which humans have been doing for thousands of years and nature has been doing for billions.
Oh! And by the way... Monsanto sucks.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You are being deliberately disingenuous, evidently for some sort of political purpose given your last paragraph.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)And, yeah, those conventional strawberries are just like the organic ones--except for that nice glaze of pesticides. Yum!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There's also the desire to reward growers who put less pesticide into the environment.
Interesting thought question: where does the dry mass of a tree come from? An acorn weighs, what, a couple of ounces? Where do the several tons of dry weight of the adult oak tree come from? Assuming it's "natural" (I'm skeptical about that word, too) and not being fed with petroleum based fertilizer, the tree's mass comes from the air, not from the ground.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You fertilize with Nitrogen, not carbon. All plants use C02 for their cellular respiration via the C3 or C4 cycle. You fertilize with nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, not carbon...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The nitrogen still has to happen, though.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)The modern food system accounts for a phenomenal amount of global carbon emissions which are not offset by the carbon sequestration of growing crops. Granted, going organic alone does not eliminate the emissions for transport, nor for running the tractors and other machines that plow, plant, harvest, and process.
Nor are natural fertilizers such as manure free from potential harm in the form of nitrogen pollution (not the same as direct carbon emissions although it does have implications for the carbon cycle). Too much manure applied to a field can result in nitrogen runoff and algal blooms in the same way that excessive synthetic fertilizer application can; however, manure and organic materials also improve soil qualities such as water retention, making nitrogen run-off somewhat less likely. And it isn't as if nitrogen fertilizer displaces manure, either. Because farming has switched from small-scale diversity to large-scale monoculture, we now have crop-fields with excessive fertilizer application leading to nitrogen pollution in some areas, while other areas have feed lot operations that generate large amounts of manure. Heavy with moisture, that manure is unfeasible to transport very far for use as a soil amendment, so it tends to just sit there, contributing to both methane emissions and nitrogen pollution.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Are they getting their carbon exclusively from petroleum products?
Damn. Damn. Damn.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Is it your thought that is what I said?
Damn
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I am relieve that it is not what you meant.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)All plants extract carbon from the air.
Plants fertilized with petro also extract carbon from the petro. Which is why plants fertilized with petro grow faster.
*facepalm*
Frankly, your attempt to pretend I wasn't saying that was pretty stupid. Bye.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)amongst other nutrients that limit the growth of the plants. Carbon is generally not a factor limiting their growth. I think that the interpretation that you were suggesting that non-organic plants got their carbon from the fertilizer is probably what most people would take away.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You honestly believe that plants extract carbon from petro chemicals. You think the mechanism by which plants respond to "petro" is through enhanced carbon assimilation from the "petro"?
And you are calling me stupid?
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)environmental effects of conventional agriculture vs. organic methods. Ever hear of the Dead Zone in the Gulf of Mexico?
olddots
(10,237 posts)Warpy
(111,167 posts)because he's completely missed the point of why they are being used.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)His point is the starting plant material and the raging paranoia about "genetic modifications." You can buy Organic bananas that are totally genetically modified, or any other ag product for that matter.
Organic, genetically altered food -- good!
Non-organic, genetically altered food -- bad.
Warpy
(111,167 posts)Organic methods build the soil. GM foods might offer more benefit than risk if greedheads at Monsanto can be reined in.
Everything needs to be considered by its risks and benefits.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Anyone who goes for generalizations is not thinking clearly. If you find that childish, I really don't care.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Probably not for the elaborate reasons they think.
Archae
(46,301 posts)The "natural food/organic" woo FTB's are already champing at the bit.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Those who point out the very clear distinction between crossbreeding in the field and inserting genes in a lab. I notice that you have chosen to check in here while completely ignoring those points which were posted earlier in the thread.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)definitions to attempt to make a point that is false. So many people asked you to address that and you did not offer so much as a word.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"woo" being merely that which does not validate your opinions.
Regardless, many valid counters to your premise (including the big one-- your self-definitions) have been proposed, yet not addressed. That, to me, more clearly illustrates which is "woo" and which is not.
Warpy
(111,167 posts)are first that the insecticide spliced into their genome has been killing beneficial insects like bees and monarch butterflies and second that plants grown from GM seed are sterile. That is a disaster for subsistence farmers who must save seed over from one crop to plant the next. It doesn't help him to use old fashioned seed since his crop can be pollinated by an agribusiness farm miles away, meaning a portion of his subsequent crop will produce sterile seed that will not germinate.
Organic farming methods are anything but a con, building soil instead of depleting it the way agribusiness farming does. No, there's no difference between organically farmed grains, legumes and produce and that grown using agribusiness methods that the customer can see or taste. The difference is in what it's been grown in.
As for right wingers in control of some companies, that's what happens when the original owners retire and/or sell. I'm saddened but not surprised, heirs and buyers generally have little interest in running the company the way the original owners and staff did. And likely a few owners drank the Koolaid between 1980 and now.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Don't know much about science, do you?
Genetic engineering is completely different from selective breeding and cross-pollination. Nature is not going to put a fish gene into a tomato, and is not going to make corn, wheat, and sugar beets resistant to toxins like Roundup. We're playing Frankenstein with foods here and we have no idea what the long term consequences are going to be. And before you start blathering on about how "there have been no adverse effects from GMO foods", here's something to chew on. The problems caused by this tampering will probably take 30-40 years to show up.
Read this and LEARN something:
http://blogs.prevention.com/inspired-bites/2013/04/26/a-new-study-highlights-the-risks-of-genetically-modified-foods-and-the-chemicals-used-on-them/
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/is-organic-better-ask-a-fruit-fly/
Pesticides and herbicides like glyphosate not only are dangerous to our gut bacteria, but they reduce the nutrients that plants make. That means we eat less of them and that increases our risk for disease, including cancer.
I've got a B.S. in Biology and a M.S. in Food Science. My guess is you've got nothing.
Archae
(46,301 posts)"Prevention" magazine is a Rodale press woo spreader.
"You're not getting enough vitamins! So but these supplements we just happen to be selling..."
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)"Genetic engineering is completely different from selective breeding and cross-pollination." Address this point and maybe we can have a conversation. Assassinating a poster's source only goes so far.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Unless of course one was employed by a corporation that benefited from GMO tech. I am trying to give him the opportunity to address the arguments raised. I have little hope he will actually do so.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and we all know there are many scammers and crazy claims
out there.
So while Person A speaks of organic food, thinking
of the bountiful local produce at the co-op, whole
grains, free range chickens; Person B thinks of
expensive "natural" highly processed foodstuffs
from health food stores, or the late night TV
ad shows about alternative medicines, etc.
The two sides are talking about two different things
most of the time, but calling it by the same name,
and never understanding each other.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)but if you let go of that, see past that, use your own
common sense, read some different sources with an open
mind, seek with humility to learn something that can
benefit humankind instead of defending things that are
poisonous to small living creatures.. just try it. It is
much more gratifying to learn something new than to
win a debate.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's a waste of time to address them.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Both carry advertising to cover the cost of publication. Organic Gardening sells books on the subject. Prevention does sell any number of books on various diets. It does carry articles from authors who may fall into the category of "woo", but it also carries solid health information. Generally, it is clear what the source of any statement is, allowing the reader to judge whether it is woo or solid science. Prevention does not directly sell supplements.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)Nature has been moving genes between widely different phyla of plants and animals for hundreds of millions of years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer
Kali
(55,004 posts)fun to throw a wrench in the WHOLE works, eh?
enjoyingyourpeasyet
(23 posts)Now how many wars will now be fought protecting US Corporate interests in GM Food?
fasttense
(17,301 posts)They can be sweeter and much more fully flavored than the ones sold in American grocery stores, especially when wild bananas are allowed to ripen on the tree and not harvested green to ship.
Bananas don't always grow true from seeds and seeds are not the primary way banana plants are reproduced. Basically all the bananas you eat and buy from major grocery stores chains are clones. They are Not genetically modified like you describe. The seeds are NOT bred back and forth to get the perfect banana (though they may have been many long years ago). Today no seeds are used in growing and selling bananas. They are rootstocks or rhizomes that are split and replanted. I know of no GMO manipulation that is used on rootstock and rhizomes. So, they aren't in any way like GMO because seeds are not used in producing the banana you picture above.
Organic labels are sometimes abused but most are not. To get an organic label a farmer must pay well over $1500 a year. And the farmer is rigorously inspected. That's why the cost of organic certification is so high. It pays a private inspector to come out and evaluate you. Now private inspection can easily lead to private bribes and manipulation. But I have noticed that those farmers who claim to be organic but are NOT, don't stay in business long. Customers who truly want organic or Certified Naturally Grown (CNG) know what they are looking for.
I've been selling CNG produce for the last five years here at the farmer's market. What I notice is that those farmers who claim they are organic or CNG, but really are NOT, will quickly lose their customers. Yes, some customers are fooled for a short time but they soon catch on and stop buying from the guy who is faking it. Serious customers who are looking for real organic foods (and not just a lower price with a label) are very aware of what to look for when purchasing organic produce and they aren't fooled for long.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)The woo must really be spreading. I don't even know what woo is any more, seeing so many things bashed here as woo.
cali
(114,904 posts)Bicycling
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Here are the charitable organizations they partner with:
BikeTown Africa: The Rodale Institute partnered with BikeTown Africa and has distributed 1,300 bicycles in the last three years, plus 200 to AIDS' workers in Botswana and other stricken African countries.[8]
Chez Panisse Foundation: The Rodale Institute is partners with the Chez Panisse Foundation in Berkeley, California.[9]
Community farmers' markets: Rodale supports local farmers and locally-grown organic crops through financial aid to offset operating costs of community farmers markets.[10]
New York Restoration Project: Projects include the Rodale Pleasant Park Community Garden in Harlem. Rodale Inc. CEO Maria Rodale is a NYRP board member.[11]
The Rodale Institute works worldwide to achieve a regenerative food system that improves environmental and human health.[12]
The Rose F. Kennedy Greenway: Rodale was a charter sponsor of the Rose F. Kennedy Greenway initiative from 20082010, providing cultural, sustainable, and diverse programming and developing a live and digital farmers market on the Greenway parcels.[13]
WaterWorks: Organic Gardening partnered with the American Community Gardening Association. They brought sustainable water supply and improvement funds to 35 community gardens in North America in 2007-2008.[14]
We could do with more "woo" like this.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Heidi
(58,237 posts)I am more than a bit puzzled as to why the OP does not.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)showing here. Bananas must have been genetically modified long before we ever heard of GM. The yellow ones are most likely hybrids.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not genetically modified.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)edhopper
(33,484 posts)Putting Big Agriculture in quotes doesn't make them any less destructive.
If you don't understand the difference between years of selective breeding done by farmers over centuries and unleashing a lab-produced species into the environment, you are being willfully ignorant.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Actually, I've eaten several different types of bananas in my lifetime. Those pretty grocery store ones have nothing to do with GMO. They've been around for a very long time, and were created by selective breeding a very long time ago.
Rodale Press' health-related publication and all of the "nutritional supplement" purveyors are trying to convince us of things that aren't true. And I'm speaking as someone who has written two books for Rodale. Both were woodworking project books, though, not health books.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)genetically altered crops and hybrids. In plant breeding, there is no alteration in the genes; but they may take plants from different strains and mix pollen to breed a stronger plants; but because there are two different strains, the off spring of the hybrid plant will not breed true. Genetically altered is completely different. See wikipedia for more details.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Here's a great book on bananas, their origins, varieties, cultural significance, and even their political ramifications, in case you are genuinely interested in this subject: http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Fate-Fruit-Changed-World/dp/0452290082/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367159057&sr=1-1&keywords=bananas
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Ordinary hybridization is nothing like that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Vandana Shiva - We Dont Need Genetically Engineered Bananas For Iron Deficiency
Saturday, April 27, 2013
The latest insanity from the genetic engineers is to push GMO bananas on India for reducing iron deficiency in Indian women.
Nature has given us a cornucopia of biodiversity, rich in nutrients. Malnutrition and nutrient deficiency results from destroying biodiversity, and with it rich sources of nutrition.
The Green Revolution has spread monocultures of chemical rice and wheat, driving out biodiversity from our farms and diets.
And what survived as spontaneous crops like the amaranth greens and chenopodium (bathua) which are rich in iron were sprayed with poisons and herbicides. Instead of being seen as iron rich and vitamin rich gifts, they were treated as weeds. A Monsanto representative once said that Genetically Engineered crops resistant to their propriety herbicide Roundup killed the weeds that steal the Sunshine. And their RoundUp Ads in India tell women Liberate yourself, use Roundup. This is not a recipe for liberation, but being trapped in malnutrition.
Full Article: http://www.zcommunications.org/we-don-t-need-genetically-engineered-bananas-for-iron-deficiency-by-vandana-shiva
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Most of those terrified of Franken Foods do not understand the difference between plant breeding and high tech, genetic modification. It's fun to watch them try to figure out if the hybrid plants they have been eating contentedly for decades are actually killing them. "That may explain my seasonal allergies."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)There are varieties that are also grown in plantations that Americans don't eat either and are just yummy if well...cooked.
By the way, nannas are not GMO...they are selectively bred over centuries, and the ones on the bottom are clones...don't worry, those might be on a way out due to a blight that the clones can't fight.
The wild banana and it's cousins are actually able to fight it, no fish genes involved.
It's important to know the difference between GMO and selective breeding
Berlum
(7,044 posts)This poo is less cogent than woo. Anyone is free to eat mutant GMO crapola. But those who choose otherwise are not free, they are victimized by corporate occultism.
Stuningly stanky stuff.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)You are placing the burden on the consumer to protect himself or herself from GMO mutant foodstuffs which are occulted, rather than placing the burden on the profit-making, genome-owning corporations that want to peddle this chemically drenched, genetically mutant crudola and keep the truth hidden from the public.
That is Corporate Fascism, plain and simple. The Corporate "science" that supports this Food Facism reeks of poo.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Are you aware of what is required to label a product organic?
What do you want?
burnodo
(2,017 posts)looks similar to below and I eat these frequently
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Maybe not that exact variety / species....
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)by slight amounts.
GMO bananas are not.
That's just for starters
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)They are NOT genetically engineered, lol. I can't believe you are so foolish as to believe that.
You REALLY have no clue what genetic engineering even is.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Properly prepared the first fruit pictured might be quite tasty. I have never had it, but I would try it. I will try just about anything as long as it's not poisonous.
Secondly when nature produces a plant with pesticides right in it, I will agree that GMO is exactly the same as selective breeding.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)commercial monoculture:
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-06/can-fruit-be-saved
bunnies
(15,859 posts)But you probably already knew that. And yes, any person with half a brain would eat a wild banana. Why the hell wouldnt you?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)and some of their cheerleaders on this board.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)the suggestion that Rodale Press is a "woo spreader." Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's "woo." "Woo" is a rather "woo" term, lol.
Organic is what it is.
It is the increasing demand for organic products, and the efforts made to regulate organic farming, that get politics and "Big Ag" capitalism involved, and that's where the corruption begins.
I really don't give a flying fuck about Eden Foods and any RW tantrums against "Obamacare." No one group has a monopoly on "organic" food; as long as there is a market in a capitalistic economy, there will be those exploiting that market from any and all political groups.
I don't like "Obamacare" myself. I eat organic when possible and am not in the least "right wing." I'm not dlc/centrist/3rd way/new dem/neoliberal enough to fit in the mainstream Democratic Party anymore, let alone the "right wing."
My dispute with "Obamacare" has nothing to do with my preference for organically grown food, but with my opposition to for-profit health insurance.
My preference for organic food has nothing to do with corporate food producers on the organic bandwagon, or with whether or not a strawberry looks or tastes different when it's organic. It has to do with my support of a healthy planet, and of healthy, sustainable farm practices.
I don't need Rodale Press to tell me that proprietary ownership of the food supply by a few mega-corporations is a devastatingly harmful idea.
I don't need Rodale Press to tell me that genetically modifying plants and allowing that pollen to "drift" outside the planned corporate farming area is a bad idea.
I also don't need Rodale Press to explain to me that genetically modifying something in a lab, a modification that would not happen in nature, is not the same thing as a hybrid produced by cross-pollinating. Of course, organic gardeners generally prefer open-pollinated varieties anyway. That seed can be saved year after year; there is no need to keep buying hybrid seed that won't reproduce true from seed companies.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's not fair to rant against an industry because a couple of them are bad. There are always bad apples. (pun intended)
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)They are smaller and sweeter than the hybrid varieties grown in fields. And because the cultivators don't see them as having value, they are allowed to grow without being molested.
I'd choose the wild strawberry any day over the overfertilized pesticide laced flavorless red fruit being sold in stores.
Archae
(46,301 posts)I think it's easier to find Bigfoot than finding wild strawberries, or better yet, wild raspberries.
But the find is sure worth it!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)You can buy seeds online.
We found some wild ones and transplanted them in the yard. We did the same with raspberries ( which rather quickly turned into a huge patch that we had to trim out.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Selective breeding is a form of genetic modification, but that is not what people generally mean when they use the term "gmo."
DCBob
(24,689 posts)modern genetic engineering has taken this to a whole nother level. I dont think GMO should be banned but they do need more scrunity to ensure the modifications dont cause some weird toxic effects.
BTW, I dont agree with you comment "organic is a con". There are legitimate health concerns with pesticides, chemicals and antibiotic use in agriculture. A true certified organic product is grown without those inputs.
nessa
(317 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Simple as that. Usually GMO's have gene(s) that did not previously exist in the species. One gene type commonly added to corn causes corn to manufacture a bacterial toxin that acts as an insecticide. This toxin is spread throughout the corn plants.
Another alteration that is common to GMO crops is strong resistance to roundup herbicide. This gene also comes from a bacteria.
I can't get too upset about GMO foods yet. The insecticidal corn probably reduces chemical insecticide use.
As for organic foods, there is very little evidence of any advantage.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Can we have a picture of the cancerous rats already? Why do the animals stomachs explode after eating GMO? Yum Yum eat em up!
Nice sell job though.