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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:15 PM

 

Drones playing 'more important role'

Drones have been used by the US and British military for many years, but are now fast becoming the focus for anti-war campaigners in both countries.



The MoD says the UK's Reapers are used solely over Afghanistan as part of the war there

27 April 2013 Last updated at 05:57 ET
By Caroline Wyatt
Defence correspondent, BBC News

Reaper aircraft were first brought in by the RAF for surveillance and reconnaissance missions over Afghanistan, but were later armed so they could also fire missiles and drop bombs.

The Ministry of Defence insists that they do so only rarely, and that the vast majority of missions - believed to be about 95% - remain surveillance for UK and coalition troops.

It also stresses that the UK's Reapers are used solely over Afghanistan as part of the war there - unlike US drones, which are also used under the controversial doctrine of "pre-emptive self-defence", for targeted killings over countries such as Pakistan and Yemen.

The RAF is not keen on the term "drone". It prefers the use of Remotely Piloted Air Systems to make clear that these are not autonomous systems: they still need a human being to fly and command the mission - and crucially, decide whether or not to use weapons, and whether a strike can take place under the UK's rules of engagement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22320767

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Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #1
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dkf Apr 2013 #4
Fumesucker Apr 2013 #5
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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:23 PM

1. i've never liked these things.

 

it's like skynet.. only it's not a computer controlling the robot killing machines, it's people..

.. so far.

for real, though.. this is why 'cyber-terrorism' is suddenly a big worry. this and similar projects like .. er .. everything the NSA does. the line has blurred between conspiracy theory and reality, it's no wonder there's so many nuts.

robot killing machines are a reality..

just gotta let that sink in.

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:26 PM

2. It's not just the U.S.

 

The ultimate depersonalization of killing.

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Response to rug (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:49 PM

3. by far and away.. it's the us. i mean Us. i mean US. i mean U.S.

 

we led the way. we continue to lead the way. it's our 'pilots' being turned into cowards, who get to clock out at the end of the day and go home to their families.

it's a tactically stupid move. if the 'enemy combatants' we are trying to kill decide they want *revenge* then they'll have to bring it the war to us. since they have no uniform to identify in this war, as per geneva conventions, but only a faceless remote controlled robot bomb-raining cyborg monster in the sky.

..

i wonder if these drone 'pilots' have problems sleeping? i know i couldn't do it.

i have a conscience.

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:57 PM

4. Is it better if we send in a seal team? What is your proposal for a better way?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:02 PM

5. What are we accomplishing?

Bear in mind that Afghanistan has now gone on about three times longer than WWII and we really are no closer to "victory" than on the first day.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

6. I think this has cut down successful terrorist attacks.

 

We've been pretty lucky so far.

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