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aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 01:53 PM Apr 2013

Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever (Taibbi - Rolling Stone)

By Matt Taibbi

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t&quot worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

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Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever (Taibbi - Rolling Stone) (Original Post) aggiesal Apr 2013 OP
There doesn't need to be a big, smokey xchrom Apr 2013 #1
Just a wink and a nod, and there you go - quid pro quo without anything made official. haele Apr 2013 #2
In the case of the Libor scandal, it pretty much *was* a smokey backroom with a handful of Marr Apr 2013 #17
They own the prisons toddaa Apr 2013 #27
The right wingers were right all along BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #26
But, but...The Magic of the Marketplace; the Invisible Hand; the Laffer Curve; bootstraps, byeya Apr 2013 #3
KICK Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #4
Consider gas prices, food prices, mortgage costs, energy costs, Waiting For Everyman Apr 2013 #5
There's only one way to stop it...... socialist_n_TN Apr 2013 #8
K&R Teamster Jeff Apr 2013 #6
K & R n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #7
Again. n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #13
George Carlin was right: It's a big club and we're not in it. Initech Apr 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Apr 2013 #10
Ever since US gov't bailed out the banking system, all banker salaries should be regulated by *us*! reformist2 Apr 2013 #11
At some point, we should label those who do NOT believe in a global conspiracy Bonobo Apr 2013 #12
du rec nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #14
Shouldn't this be in the Dungeon with all the other WHACKO CT woo?! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #15
It's not CT. ozone_man Apr 2013 #16
Sure, and that's why it's all over the news, with our justice dept. prosecuting the perps usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #18
The government and DOJ do what these banksters say, not the inverse. n/t Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #19
So, now the whole Gov and Dept. of Justice is in on it, too? Our crack MSM would be all over it usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #20
Gay escorts making repeated visits to the WH simply isn't news :D Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #21
These aren't hidden scams mick063 Apr 2013 #22
I don't know why this surprises anybody. Jasana Apr 2013 #23
Kick Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #24
Corrupt to the core. woo me with science Apr 2013 #25
Just found this article and read it, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #28

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
1. There doesn't need to be a big, smokey
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

Back room conspiracy.

Enough people with similar, sympathetic university backgrounds - get together at weddings, funerals, political get togethers - and voila - you have agreement.

Doesn't take dark and nefarious - just takes common interests.

haele

(12,649 posts)
2. Just a wink and a nod, and there you go - quid pro quo without anything made official.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:40 PM
Apr 2013

Those little signals - like the laconically raised eyebrow when talking about "workers" or "customers", the negligent shrug when talking about the weighing the risks on who might be hurt on that big deal you made that got you a lot of compensation... that grin when talking about "just think about how much revenue we can deliver to the shareholders!"
It's easy to rig the system so long as most big decision making is kept within an ever-shrinking circle of wealth and power.

Haele

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
17. In the case of the Libor scandal, it pretty much *was* a smokey backroom with a handful of
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 02:05 AM
Apr 2013

influential players agreeing to fix a number.

We need to start throwing these people in federal prison, and frankly, I think these crimes ought to warrant the death penalty. If anyone is going to get executed by the state, these global-scale criminals ought to be first in line.

 

BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
26. The right wingers were right all along
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:18 PM
Apr 2013

Send your kid off to college and he or she will be brainwashed and corrupted. They just forgot to mention they were talking about rich kids and Ivy League schools.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
3. But, but...The Magic of the Marketplace; the Invisible Hand; the Laffer Curve; bootstraps,
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

Yarbles...

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
5. Consider gas prices, food prices, mortgage costs, energy costs,
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 05:30 PM
Apr 2013

busted out municipalities from Detroit to Greece, the number of homes and pensions already stolen everywhere.

And that STILL doesn't even consider the biggest scam of all... credit scores. These same jerks are picking ALL the winners and losers. There is no "market" at all. It's a fiction, entirely, by now. A thing of the past, ompletely gone.

Of course neither I nor lots of us needed this article or these investigations to know this, but it's nice that the "credible" sources and authorities are beginning to catch on. Now it would be nice if they all did their jobs. (Ludicrous thought.)

So much has been stolen from so many, and it needs to stop now. This really needs a top-to-bottom overhaul, to come up with a real, functioning, and fair (meaning one with some ethics built in) financial structure, and then a global summit to coordinate. I would suggest winding it back about 40 years, and only updating for technology -- then we might have a decent starting point.

Response to aggiesal (Original post)

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
12. At some point, we should label those who do NOT believe in a global conspiracy
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:08 PM
Apr 2013

of the rich as the "Troofers".

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
22. These aren't hidden scams
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:46 AM
Apr 2013

They stick out like a sore thumb for everyone to see.

It isn't enough that the Robber Barons must steal your life savings. They must also demonstrate their unmitigated power by openly doing so. It's a psychopathic ego thing. The Attorney General has made it perfectly clear that he cannot stop them.


Robber Barons transparency trumps President Obama's transparency.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
28. Just found this article and read it,
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:15 PM
Apr 2013

then figured there had to be a thread on it here.
I am quite literally speechless. My first programming job at a bank involved stuff having to do with LIBOR, so I know all about how that is used. Didn't know about ISDAfix though.
LIBOR was already a massive scandal; just about everything with a variable interest rate uses LIBOR for pricing, and it's also used for hedging currency exposures.
This ISDAfix thing on top of that is just extraordinary. Nuts. And no one is going to jail.

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