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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:46 AM Apr 2013

Obama: Mortgaging the Living to Save the Wealth of the Dead by William Greider

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/04/26-0

At the start of his second term, events pushed President Obama to choose between the living and the dead. He chose dead millionaires over elderly people living on Social Security. The wealthy were given a most generous reduction in the estate taxes to be collected when they die. Social Security beneficiaries were told to live with smaller benefit checks. Instead of comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable, Obama went the other way.

I asked Robert McIntyre, the celebrated reformer at Citizens for Tax Justice, what he makes of this odd presidential twist. “The Obama administration has mixed feelings about old people,” McIntyre dryly observed. “Old people on Social Security deserve smaller benefits. Old people who own estates worth tens of millions deserve smaller tax bills for their children.”

How could this have happened with a Democratic president in the White House? In early January, under pressure to make a “fiscal cliff” deal with Republicans, the president signed a new estate tax law that delivered a gorgeous windfall for those with accumulated wealth—or, rather, for their children or others who inherit the family fortunes. All rich people are now entitled to an estate-tax exemption of $5 million. That is seven times larger than the exemption that existed in the last years of the Clinton administration ($670,000) and more than double George W. Bush’s ($2 million).

Furthermore, because this new estate-tax exemption is indexed to protect against inflation, the exemption will keep growing bigger year after year. For 2012, the exemption rose by $120,000 and another $130,000 for 2013. That’s an annual inflation-driven increase of about 2.5 percent, though Social Security recipients received an increase of only 1.7 percent at the same time.
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Obama: Mortgaging the Living to Save the Wealth of the Dead by William Greider (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2013 OP
K&R. This is just obscene. forestpath Apr 2013 #1
It's called donnasgirl Apr 2013 #14
To be expected of someone running with the Pritzkers. Downwinder Apr 2013 #2
did`t know anyone else noticed the pritzker connection... madrchsod Apr 2013 #7
Replace "Obama" with "GOP" and it's right on michigandem58 Apr 2013 #3
+1,000,000 mopinko Apr 2013 #10
I agree. We all should recognize that Pres Obama isnt in charge but the GOP is. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #18
Weasel words michigandem58 Apr 2013 #21
Wait, you cant have it both ways. Either Pres Obama is in charge and getting what he wants rhett o rick Apr 2013 #22
I would say you are both correct Skittles Apr 2013 #25
And you aren't this obtuse michigandem58 Apr 2013 #30
How was what was discussed in the OP a compromise? How is giving the rich more money and taking rhett o rick Apr 2013 #31
Private Money in Politics BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #4
It wasn't too long ago that there was public financing of presidential elections if the byeya Apr 2013 #6
It shouldn't be a choice BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #9
Agree 100% with you on that! byeya Apr 2013 #12
I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #20
The only bogus point here is the $400 billion figure BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #5
This is bogus ProSense Apr 2013 #8
Obama needs to learn to spell one word: VETO. It's only four letters. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #27
Does the indexing of the estate tax use chained-CPI? denverbill Apr 2013 #11
This ^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Apr 2013 #13
Taxes would go to CCPI under the President's budget nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #15
K&R woo me with science Apr 2013 #16
Mustn't criticize... kentuck Apr 2013 #17
oh dear Skittles Apr 2013 #24
kick woo me with science Apr 2013 #19
If you did not have 90,000 posts, I have no doubt Bonobo Apr 2013 #23
Obama = sold out! JDPriestly Apr 2013 #26
I don't see how that is possible hfojvt Apr 2013 #28
Technically it may be right Rstrstx Apr 2013 #29
of course it is technically accurate hfojvt Apr 2013 #32
I'm glad someone's noticing Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #33

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
14. It's called
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

The golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules and the person and people who we elected have turned their back on us peons.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
7. did`t know anyone else noticed the pritzker connection...
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:01 AM
Apr 2013

is it any wonder why card check was never mentioned as soon as he became president. anti-union penny.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I agree. We all should recognize that Pres Obama isnt in charge but the GOP is.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

The buck doesnt stop with the president. He is helpless against the GOP.

 

michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
21. Weasel words
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:15 PM
Apr 2013

Obama is in charge? He's the leader of the country, but he isn't a dictator. Implying he somehow favors things simply because they were part of a compromise is disingenuous, at best.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Wait, you cant have it both ways. Either Pres Obama is in charge and getting what he wants
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:18 PM
Apr 2013

or he is being manipulated by the so-called hapless GOP. You say he is the leader of the country. I say he cant even lead his own party.

 

michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
30. And you aren't this obtuse
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:01 AM
Apr 2013

It's obvious you're smart enough to understand a little nuance. Being the leader of the country doesn't mean you get everything you want. Those are called dictatorships. This is a democracy, and every President we've had compromised at some point. You understand that, so stop.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. How was what was discussed in the OP a compromise? How is giving the rich more money and taking
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:49 AM
Apr 2013

it away from the poor a compromise? He is "compromising" us to death. Every compromise the 99% gets less and less. At some point we need to draw the line and tell the 1%, NO MORE.

And I think you are smart enough to recognize that he is a long way from being a dictator.

 

BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
4. Private Money in Politics
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:56 AM
Apr 2013

This is what happens when private money determines who gets elected. All choices are illusion, the rich can and will ensure that government only promotes their interests. Short term interests, at that. They aren't even concerned with what will happen to their children and grandchildren in a world where resources are stripped and spoiled and wasted and the vast majority of humanity gets fed up with living in poverty and really learns how to fight back.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
6. It wasn't too long ago that there was public financing of presidential elections if the
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:00 AM
Apr 2013

candidate[s] so chose. The two-headed $$$ party stopped even this try at clean government.

 

BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
9. It shouldn't be a choice
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:04 AM
Apr 2013

Private money has no place in politics. This country was founded on the rich ruling while the poor were pacified with a pretense of democracy. It's past time to change that.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
20. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:41 PM
Apr 2013

But McGramps tried to get Obama to take public financing for 2008 and he reneged on that promise. Many will scream it's because Grumpy couldn't fundraise and so he wanted Obama to handicap himself. But a larger argument is that the prevailing wisdom was any D was going to win, so why not go a long way to clean up the system?

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
5. The only bogus point here is the $400 billion figure
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:59 AM
Apr 2013

Maybe a dictator could have have gotten the exemption down from $2 million to $670K; that was never going to happen. But raising it to $5 million is a true financial and political blunder. By lowering the number of people hit by the tax to under 4,000, it will be easier for them to organize and wipe out the tax altogether.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. This is bogus
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:02 AM
Apr 2013
How could this have happened with a Democratic president in the White House? In early January, under pressure to make a “fiscal cliff” deal with Republicans, the president signed a new estate tax law that delivered a gorgeous windfall for those with accumulated wealth—or, rather, for their children or others who inherit the family fortunes. All rich people are now entitled to an estate-tax exemption of $5 million. That is seven times larger than the exemption that existed in the last years of the Clinton administration ($670,000) and more than double George W. Bush’s ($2 million).

Furthermore, because this new estate-tax exemption is indexed to protect against inflation, the exemption will keep growing bigger year after year. For 2012, the exemption rose by $120,000 and another $130,000 for 2013. That’s an annual inflation-driven increase of about 2.5 percent, though Social Security recipients received an increase of only 1.7 percent at the same time.

The problem with the estate tax is actually with some Democrats in the Senate. The President has proposed reducing the exemption in every budget or deficit proposal.

Update: I should mention that on one issue, the estate tax, the problem is apparently with the Senate; there are, unfortunately, some heartland Dem Senators who are extremely solicitous of the handful of super-wealthy families in their states, so that Obama’s people don’t think they can get a majority for higher taxes here. It’s bizarre: states like New Jersey have far more large estates, not just total but per capita, than states like Montana, but it’s the Senators from the latter that are eager to preserve the inherited privileges of the few.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/conceder-in-chief-2/

WTF: Senate votes to "repeal or reduce the estate tax"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022554062

He is still trying to reduce the exemption and tax everything above that a 45 percent.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022670043


Skittles

(153,150 posts)
24. oh dear
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
Apr 2013

I........lost it but I put my rose-colored glasses on so I can see what you see, kentuck

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
23. If you did not have 90,000 posts, I have no doubt
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:20 PM
Apr 2013

that some here would accuse you of being an "operative" a "regressive cynic" or a mere "Obama basher".

Some also would say you are not a Progressive because you are not being "incremental" enough.

Me? I salute you and your determination to hold onto your sense of what is right and not be pulled along by the flow like so many other self-fulfilling prophets.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
28. I don't see how that is possible
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:17 AM
Apr 2013

Why, Obama himself said that

1. The fiscal cliff deal was a VICTORY for the "middle class"

and that

2. the fiscal cliff deal RAISES the estate tax

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/01/01/fact-sheet-tax-agreement-victory-middle-class-families-and-economy

Obama could not possible have lied to us, could he? Certainly he would not call it an increase if the estate tax was automatically going to go up to 55% with a $1 million exemption and negotiate a lower rate and call than an increase? Would he lie to us? I mean, certainly Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell would have called him out on a lie like that? What about Big Ed Schultz? I remember something about how he attacked Obama for the fiscal cliff deal, or something http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022107974#post23

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
29. Technically it may be right
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:23 AM
Apr 2013

I believe there was no estate tax for a year or two so anything would theoretically be an increase. And you know $5,000,000 just doesn't go as far as it used to

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
32. of course it is technically accurate
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

the best lies always are.

And I hear you about five million. Why I went shopping the other day and barely got two bags of groceries with my five million dollars.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
33. I'm glad someone's noticing
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:13 AM
Apr 2013

Our current policies, and this goes both for Democrats and Republicans, are rather elitist. `

I don't know what we're going to have to do to change this, but if we don't, we will pay a high societal price.

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