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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDzhokhar Tsarnaev was unarmed in the boat! So why in the hell did they say.....
they "exchanged gunfire" and why did they shoot like 30 bullets at the boat?
It always seems like when one cop hear another cop fire they all tend to all unload their guns.
I doubt we will ever know the whole story. And I am not too worried about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev getting shot but I am about the next unarmed suspect who might not be the real suspect.
Story.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/boston-bombing-suspect-unarmed_n_3150723.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
mercymechap
(579 posts)you are dissatisfied with the way it was handled? I don't think the cops knew if he still had a bomb and I don't know that they should have approached him without knowing that he was disabled. The two idiots did enough damage, we didn't need any more cops being victims, and if they had killed him I wouldn't be grieving for him.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)identical to my own! Hummmmpf!
Logical
(22,457 posts)for no reason. I bet you also are 100% sure they knew no bullet would kill an innocent bystander.
mercymechap
(579 posts)Would you have volunteered to go and "fetch" him out of the boat? Hmmmmm.
malaise
(267,827 posts)There were shouts of cease fire to the cops
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)When a suspected murderer doesn't come out after being warned, the police have to go get 'em, the first concern being that no officers or civilians get hurt. If they had wanted to kill him, they would have. So much gunfire, I'm wondering if it was to scare him into coming out.
Logical
(22,457 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Some described the boat as 'swiss cheese'. Swiss cheese has holes and I don't think this picture shows holes.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Having shot rubber bullets before, they leave a black smudge, and smell like tires.
Yes, those are holes in fiberglass.
Look at the hole in the cover on the left.
randome
(34,845 posts)And I would think live ammo would go THROUGH the fiberglass, not just make a mark. But I'm no ammo expert.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)They certainly don't penetrate a boat hull.
Those are holes in the hull, you can see the white edges of the gelcoat beneath the red.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)"why are you so concerned for this bomber terrorist"
"why do you hate Boston?"
"why are you siding with the haterperp?"
NB: "haterperp" was actually used in another OP representative of the odd sorts of reactions to any posts that suggest that the cops might have, well, shot a lot of bullets into the boat without as much reason as one would like.
Refer to this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022751025
Logical
(22,457 posts)newmember
(805 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm proud of you for not letting them get to you1
newmember
(805 posts)The funny thing about my thread was I know most people posting in it believed exactly what I said in it.
But for some strange reason don't want to admit it.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)We're all just human.
It's entertaining, actually, to catch others and ourselves being, well, fallible.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)didn't toss another little bomb from the boat?
One of those homemade hand grenades he'd been tossing at the police earlier?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)involved an exchange of gunfire, but not with the 2nd. Although they may have reported that...early reports of incidents always contain some errors before the dust settles.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I suspect that would make anyone nervous.
Logical
(22,457 posts)have the helicopter shoot the heat image?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)He'd already been involved in a shootout with police. Maybe they weren't taking any chances.
Anyway, weren't they using rubber bullets and stun grenades to disorient him?
Logical
(22,457 posts)newmember
(805 posts)No one will confirm it because it's not true.
randome
(34,845 posts)Instead, you insist on your own 'evidence', which is...non-existent.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,485 posts)Which seems perfectly reasonable; "Come out with your hands up!" or some variation thereof. Nowadays it seems (seems I repeat) that the LEO's just shoot first and ask questions later..........
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Especially things like drug raids on the wrong house that ends with someone dead.
But it seems they handled the thing in Boston pretty well.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)It appears as if Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not have a gun in the boat. So how did the shooting start there?
The issue goes to what the police were perceiving. One officer had the high ground and saw the tarp on the boat flip up and said he saw a hand come out with an object in it. He didn't think it was a gun, he thought Tsarnaev was about to throw another bomb. He fired a couple times.
Other officers who were just arriving, saw the tarp flip up and heard gun fire and apparently believed it was Tsarnaev firing out, so they laid down covering fire at that boat until the incident commander said cease fire.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57581048/police-believe-tsarnaev-brothers-killed-officer-for-his-gun/
Logical
(22,457 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)In that case, fire away.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)How could he do that if he didn't have a gun?
Logical
(22,457 posts)magellan
(13,257 posts)...but said it was possibly a shrapnel wound:
COOPER: There's a report that he was shot in the throat. Unclear whether that was self-inflicted, or at what point -- could you tell that?
CAMPBELL: I did see a throat injury. To me it looked more like a knife wound. It wasn't a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn't look like a bullet wound to me. It looked more like a cut of some kind.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022739227
wercal
(1,370 posts)Covering fire.
I saw a night vision video of 3 flash grenades being thrown into the boat.
Whoever threw them was obviously very close to the boat. How did he get there? He probably sprinted to his position, while the police were firing.
Logical
(22,457 posts)wercal
(1,370 posts)Or where the head would be, if they were trying to see/observe what is going on around them.
That's Army training at least.
I have no idea if the police use a different tactic, considering surrounding houses, etc.
Logical
(22,457 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)No. I'm going by published reports.
Well what about unpublished reports? You don't have those, do you?
No, actually. Just the public statements and reports.
But you don't have all the published reports? You haven't read the newspaper from rural Mongolia, have you?
No. Just the published reports that have been widely distributed and that I've seen.
So you don't really know do you?
Fine. I have limited knowledge. But why do you believe the opposite?
Oh, who cares? It doesn't matter anyway so that's why!
--------------SNIP-----------------
It's all very astonishing.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)This shit breaks me up!
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT!!!!!!
elfin
(6,262 posts)Probably a logical assumption on their part, but what if it had been a hapless vagrant?
I understand they were panicked and in revenge mode after losing Sean Collier, but am disturbed by the reports thus far.
Am glad he is in custody and expect full punishment for his heinous acts, but wonder if his throat injury that prevents full communication was indeed self inflicted or as a result of his capture. Perhaps from earlier fire fight?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The odds of a bleeding homeless man in a boat ... not great.
mercymechap
(579 posts)given a "stay safe - stay inside" alert. Any hapless vagrant wondering about after they were told to stay inside would have no one to blame but himself if he had been foolish enough to wander into an area swarming with cops, and FBI and had been hurt.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)A terrorist bombing.
AA planes grounded nationwide.
A Saudi person of interest, on a terrorist watch list, first to be detained now set to be deported for security reasons.
Ricin letters to a select few.
Ricin perp arrested.
Canada busts Al Qaeda plot to bomb train servicing NY.
Two Russians accused and subdued, one now dead, one now living.
There were shots, there weren't shots.
Ricin perp released, charged dropped.
Brothers had an arsenal, they didn't have a single gun.
Brothers had plan to hit Times Square.
The reason for these kinds of contradictions is because we aren't being told the truth to begin with. Meanwhile, CISPA sails, Paul talks drones, and Bloomberg talks about the folly of privacy rights.
Sorry, BS meter riding 10 for some time now.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as well as the American Airlines non sequitur.
You should call into the Alex Jones show.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I got no use for beck or jones, but the truth is the truth.
There is more than enough about what has happened in the last two weeks, vs what we've been told, to warrant suspicion.
Don't feel the same way? Fine.
No need for a backhanded accusation that I must be a right wing loon because I call bs when I smell it, rather than chanting along.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Well, this:
is a lie being pushed by Glenn Beck and the crazies on the paranoid right.
Here's the truth:
http://news.yahoo.com/glenn-beck-conspiracy-theory-whats-evidence-202312996.html
The FBI says the Saudi [in question] was just a victim of the terrorist attack, said Baier.
more
If you have no use for Glenn Beck, you should not rely upon him for your information regarding news events.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Could have been something like that.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And see the fire reflecting off the rising smoke, I have to say these events are nothing alike.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)that he had been tossing earlier?